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(W#4255)The trial of Kyle Rittenhouse for the intentional first degree homicide of 2, injuring of 1

I would say that went about as expected.
 
GummyVitamins said:
It sounds like the defense is looking to set a trap for Grosskreutz by asking him if he is an individual in a now deleted social media post. If he denies it they will get his friend to testify.
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He knows what's coming, he just has to decide whether to lie or tell the truth.
 
Grim17 said:
Geez... this isn't going well for the prosecution... Again.
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I have never really seen anything this messed up. That doesn't mean the jury is seeing things the same way but DAMN what a train wreck for the prosecution.
 
Lutherf said:
I have never really seen anything this messed up. That doesn't mean the jury is seeing things the same way but DAMN what a train wreck for the prosecution.
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The biggest challenge for the defense is that the jury has to accept the law as written, regardless of their emotions. And the more complex the sequence of action the greater the likihood is that the jury will give up understanding what happened and, therefore, rely on emotion.
 
Lutherf said:
I really get the impression that he doesn't see it as "lying". From what I can tell he's one of those, "This is my reality" kind of people.
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Sounds like he's just another Anitfa psychopath that was out rioting that night. He was the star witness for the pro-conviction group. He hasn't yet been convicted of a felony and he was a paramedic. But, it seems pretty obvious that he was just another thug trying to harm Rittenhouse.
 
maxparrish said:
The hutzpuh...and knowing how spineless cities are, they will probably give him 5m to drop the suit.
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He omitted material facts, he won't get shit.
 
maxparrish said:
The biggest challenge for the defense is that the jury has to accept the law as written, regardless of their emotions. And the more complex the sequence of action the greater the likihood is that the jury will give up understanding what happened and, therefore, rely on emotion.
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It depends on whether the jury considers the law in whole or considers it selectively as so many in this thread have been doing.
 
Now that Grosskreutz has been thoroughly debunked what case does the prosecution have left?

One of their witnesses told the jury that Rosenbaum threatened his life and then tried to take his gun after Rittenhouse attempted to flee. Their own witnesses proved the prosecution was lying when they claimed Rittenhouse chased Rosenbaum with a gun and shot him in the back.

Another prosecution witness admitted that DNA evidence in this case is irrelevant because they didn't test the right parts of the rifle and you can clearly see Huber had his hand on the gun while trying to take it away from Rittenhouse and hitting him in the head with a board. She admitted that Kenosha PD never asked her to check other parts of the gun that someone who wouldn't have been the shooter may have touched.

Another prosecution witness said Rittenhouse had the control to not shoot him as he ran up to him with a gun in hand and only fired after his fake surrender when he pointed his gun directly at Rittenhouse.

Binger's entire case is built on a lie that has been thoroughly debunked by his own witnesses.
 
ASHES said:
He omitted material facts, he won't get shit.
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If this were a matter of law, I'm sure you are correct. However, not only in news stories, but in my own experience as a City employee and as someone who later had to deal with city attorneys on civil matters, I have always found them to be very desirous in making problems go away. The are aware of the politics, and would rather settle than fight - one reason, I suppose, I never lost a dispute with them.
 
GummyVitamins said:
Now that Grosskreutz has been thoroughly debunked what case does the prosecution have left?

One of their witnesses told the jury that Rosenbaum threatened his life and then tried to take his gun after Rittenhouse attempted to flee. Their own witnesses proved the prosecution was lying when they claimed Rittenhouse chased Rosenbaum with a gun and shot him in the back.

Another prosecution witness admitted that DNA evidence in this case is irrelevant because they didn't test the right parts of the rifle and you can clearly see Huber had his hand on the gun while trying to take it away from Rittenhouse and hitting him in the head with a board. She admitted that Kenosha PD never asked her to check other parts of the gun that someone who wouldn't have been the shooter may have touched.

Another prosecution witness said Rittenhouse had the control to not shoot him as he ran up to him with a gun in hand and only fired after his fake surrender when he pointed his gun directly at Rittenhouse.

Binger's entire case is built on a lie that has been thoroughly debunked by his own witnesses.
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There is a possibility of the reckless endangerment holding up but that's based SOLELY on the judge's misinterpretation of jury instructions which clearly state that justifiable self defense precludes reckless endangerment involving a tangentially involved person.
 
maxparrish said:
If this were a matter of law, I'm sure you are correct. However, not only in news stories, but in my own experience as a City employee and as someone who later had to deal with city attorneys on civil matters, I have always found them to be very desirous in making problems go away. The are aware of the politics, and would rather settle than fight - one reason, I suppose, I never lost a dispute with them.
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It would be interesting to see how the people of Kenosha react to a $10M settlement for a guy that lied to the cops then lied in front of a jury.
 
Lutherf said:
There is a possibility of the reckless endangerment holding up but that's based SOLELY on the judge's misinterpretation of jury instructions which clearly state that justifiable self defense precludes reckless endangerment involving a tangentially involved person.
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Was McGinniss ever a complaining witness? Seems crazy.
 
GummyVitamins said:
Now that Grosskreutz has been thoroughly debunked what case does the prosecution have left?

One of their witnesses told the jury that Rosenbaum threatened his life and then tried to take his gun after Rittenhouse attempted to flee. Their own witnesses proved the prosecution was lying when they claimed Rittenhouse chased Rosenbaum with a gun and shot him in the back.

Another prosecution witness admitted that DNA evidence in this case is irrelevant because they didn't test the right parts of the rifle and you can clearly see Huber had his hand on the gun while trying to take it away from Rittenhouse and hitting him in the head with a board. She admitted that Kenosha PD never asked her to check other parts of the gun that someone who wouldn't have been the shooter may have touched.

Another prosecution witness said Rittenhouse had the control to not shoot him as he ran up to him with a gun in hand and only fired after his fake surrender when he pointed his gun directly at Rittenhouse.

Binger's entire case is built on a lie that has been thoroughly debunked by his own witnesses.
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This is a classic case of a frivolous prosecution with malice. It's also one reason I have been a long-time supporter of reform regarding prosecutorial practices. It is not enough to hand slap such grotesque abuses of office - I support severe legal penalties when these kind of abuses occur...like a term in jail and loss of their law license.

Fortunately, Rittenhouse has some folks with money willing to pay for his huge legal fees and massive preparation costs. For the average wrongly prosecuted smuck they are toast.
 
GummyVitamins said:
Grosskreutz admitted he was unlawfully carrying a firearm. That's not in dispute. He was never charged. Why is Rittenhouse charged, but Grosskreutz again escapes justice?
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Cause that doesn't serve the narrative. My bet is that illegal concealed carry is a greater crime than an underage person possessing a firearm.
 
ASHES said:
He knows what's coming, he just has to decide whether to lie or tell the truth.
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What are the odds he gets charged with filing a false police report? He admitted to lying to police in court today. The defense even used the word "lie" to describe his statement and he agreed with that language.
 
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