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(W#4255)The trial of Kyle Rittenhouse for the intentional first degree homicide of 2, injuring of 1

He wasn't but that charge involves him.
Yea, I understand that. But, it seems crazy if that's the only thing that sticks. I agree that seems to potentially be a sticking point. But, convicting someone for a crime against someone who did not complain to the police about it and seems more or less agreeable that using the firearm for self defense was appropriate in that situation.
 
Yea, I understand that. But, it seems crazy if that's the only thing that sticks. I agree that seems to potentially be a sticking point. But, convicting someone for a crime against someone who did not complain to the police about it and seems more or less agreeable that using the firearm for self defense was appropriate in that situation.
It shouldn't be. In a case of legitimate self defense there should be no liability for reckless endangerment. Among other things, legitimate self defense precludes recklesness. Furthermore, reading the statute that way would preclude any act of self defense when others are in the immediate area, which is absurd.
 
There might be convictions in the charges of reckless endangerment, but I’m not going to die even on that hill. There’s ambiguity in the circumstances, and that erases all certainty of convictions on the felony charges. Plus, the victims were assholes. And even though being an asshole isn’t an acceptable reason to be shot and killed, being an asshole is definitely unsympathetic in the eyes of a jury.

The way I’ve seen this is that this is a case of everybody playing stupid games and winning stupid prizes. Rittenhouse brought a loaded boom stick that shoots many rounds per second* to a site of protests known to get tumultuous. It’s no different than bringing a loaded weapon into a bar in which you knew full well that a bar fight was ongoing. Stupid games. Stupid prizes.

So I think he should be convicted on reckless endangerment, but again, due to the circumstances, I really just don’t see it happening unless the prosecution is particularly amazing.

*Gun nuts: buzz off. I don’t care what the proper name of the gun is.
C'mon now, you need to calm down on that. Many rounds per second? If you have a fast finger. But that's not even what happened.
 
I don't see how you can declare self-defense when you go towards the violence and chaos, not away from it. Doesn't make sense.
The kid got exactly what he wanted. Now, lets hope there are consequences so that others won't follow the racist kid's path.
 
Those making the self-defense argument tend to slip in a few Alternative Facts, avoid examining the Bigger Picture and play little heed to the relationship between the submitted evidence to the ten statutes enumerated in the Six Count indictment.

I shake my head at the insane notion a 17 year old vigilante can cross a state line to strap on an AR15, then in the course of meeting up with like-minded militia members to enforce community order, shoots three people, two of whom die, legally!

Just insane!
It's the same phenomenon that took place when Floyd and Martin were murdered. The white supremacist right wing circle their wagons around the tool of their hate, in this case, KR and quiver in satisfaction, their bloodlust fulfilled.

Shortly thereafter it becomes apparent that their "tool" is truly a "tool"! Like Zimmerman, and like Cliven Bundy before him.
 
The kid got exactly what he wanted. Now, lets hope there are consequences so that others won't follow the racist kid's path.
I think we should hope there aren't failed psychics in the jury and they make a decision based on the evidence provided rather than absurd emotional drivel devoid of facts and reason. Since you can read Rittenhouse's mind can you also speak with the dead in this case?
 
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I think we should hope there aren't failed psychic in the jury and they make a decision based on the evidence provided rather than absurd emotional drivel devoid of facts and reason. Since you can read Rittenhouse's mind can you also speak with the dead in this case?
Dude, you keep trying to intimidate me from opining as I like. You really should give it up. Yours is no more relevant than mine.
 
Listening, but going afk. Someone try to cap the roommate's message if it is put up please, I may not be able to.
 
They also didn't charge him for the marijuana or cite him for the curfew violation.
Something just occurred to me... If they didn't charge him with a firearms violation (carrying the concealed pistol) then how can they charge Rittenhouse with a firearms violation?

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Manager of Car Lot Kyle Rittenhouse Took It Upon Himself to Protect Says No One Was Authorized to Guard Business on Night of Shooting

Two members of a family that owns a series of used car lots in Kenosha, Wisconsin, testified that they did not give permission to Kyle Rittenhouse or other members of his cohort to protect their businesses around the time that Rittenhouse shot and killed two people and wounded a third.

Sahil Khindri, who goes by the name “Sal” and whose father owns Car Source, said he never spoke with anyone about assembling a detail to protect the family’s Kenosha properties. He indicated that the group randomly converged on the property. He testified that he was impressed with the posse’s gear but seemed to suggest that he was afraid to ask them to leave.

“Especially when they have guns and dress up right in front of me,” Sahil Khindri said. “I observed they were dressing up. For me, that was really impressive,” he added later.

He posed for a photo with the group but testified he did not communicate with them about protecting his business.
“They were saying that they were here to protect Kenosha,” Sahil Khindri testified.

More: https://lawandcrime.com/live-trials/...ce=mostpopular
Yeah, I know. And the right wing nuts on and off this forum are accusing the lot dealers of "perjury" with zero evidence to support it. Just like "voter fraud" - if the facts don't align with the white supremacists' desires - then the facts must be wrong.
 
Were Black, Balch or Lackowski cited for the curfew violation?
The charged everyone with something other than Balch and Grosskreutz. But, Grosskreutz had an illegal firearm, filed a false police report, had marijuana in his possession, and violated the curfew. He got away with everything. Black got two weapons charges. Both Ziminskis got curfew violations. Kelly also got disorderly conduct and resisting/obstructing a police officer. Joshua got disorderly conduct, use of a dangerous weapon. Rittenhouse got the kitchen sink + curfew. It seems Grosskreutz got away with a lot. They decided not to charge him with anything and for some reason the mayor's cousin/DA's office instructed the police to not search his phone despite having a warrant to do so.
 
Jury coming in.
 
If it was alleged you gave a ride to an alleged murderer hours before the murders, would you forget whether you did or did not give him a ride in your BMW? You would say "yes I did" or "no I didn't" not "I don't remember."


State resumes direct questioning of Grosskreutz.
So others can interpret the car dealership's state of mind/desires and conclude they're lying, but no one is permitted make assumptions about the kid's state of mind, given the lengths he went to take part in a situation he had no business being in.

You really don't see the inequities of your position, do you?
 
You did not present a compelling argument of perjury.
And also, we're not allowed to say the kid's a racist vigilante, even though he went to great efforts to arm and insert himself into a crime scene that had nothing to do with him.
 
Something just occurred to me... If they didn't charge him with a firearms violation (carrying the concealed pistol) then how can they charge Rittenhouse with a firearms violation?

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Rittenhouse is a Trump supporter. Binger is running to be elected to a District Attorney position. I don't think it's a good move for him, but these charges are obviously politically motivated in some capacity.
 
Something just occurred to me... If they didn't charge him with a firearms violation (carrying the concealed pistol) then how can they charge Rittenhouse with a firearms violation?

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Rittenhouse was made the poster boy for white nationalist domestic terrorism. That's how.
 
So others can interpret the car dealership's state of mind/desires and conclude they're lying, but no one is permitted make assumptions about the kid's state of mind, given the lengths he went to take part in a situation he had no business being in.

You really don't see the inequities of your position, do you?

This is much the same as stating the photo taken with Sal suggests the owners requested help, but a photo of Rittenhouse at a bar with several proud boys doesn't mean he had any ties to the group. 🤷‍♂️
 
This is much the same as stating the photo taken with Sal suggests the owners requested help, but a photo of Rittenhouse at a bar with several proud boys doesn't mean anything mean he had any ties to the group. 🤷‍♂️
Was the Rittenhouse photo you refer to taken on the night of the 25th? If not, how does it apply to that night and the events under consideration in this trial?
 
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