(W#4255)The trial of Kyle Rittenhouse for the intentional first degree homicide of 2, injuring of 1

[SkyFox76]

They (the police) left the first scene (Rosenbaum) open to the public, with evidence sitting around, until some citizen pointed out said evidence, 4 days later.

I thought the casings were found the next morning, by one of the local streamers or someone that came to view the crime scene, with no official capacity. I remember they uploaded it.

 

[Cardinal]

Prosecutors and defense attorneys play to win.

They do it every day in every case.

A memo that Lionel Hutz appears to have not gotten.

 

[CaughtInThe]

A memo that Lionel Hutz appears to have not gotten.

Nobody said they were all good at it.

 

[Grim17]

And it's fine for you to say that. All I'm saying is that this is a regular feature of murder trials. If you don't like seeing video of the killing play out over and over and over again, don't watch murder trials.

I was just pointing out that watching someone dying on camera isn't a walk in the park for me. I understand it's necessary and watch it as though I'm a juror, because that's how I approach any case I follow.

 

[ASHES]

I thought the casings were found the next morning, by one of the local streamers or someone that came to view the crime scene, with no official capacity. I remember they uploaded it.

It was the 29th the police detective said. That was for 2 of Rittenhouse's Rosenbaum shell casings anyway. Haven't heard any testimony regarding any other shell casings found at a later date.

 

[KevinKohler]

What is up with Blue Mask Brunette? Looks like she's trying to be a modern-day Flavor Flav wearing a stopwatch around her neck?

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That's a shock collar. Some chick's are into that shit, you know?

 

[Cardinal]

Nobody said they were all good at it.

 

[Lutherf]

Like I said before, it seems all they're doing is trying to play to the jury's sympathy rather than trying to prove it was murder rather than self defense.

It worked for the Chauvin prosecution. There's no reason it can't work here.

 

[What if...?]

If he had not shot these ass clowns he would be dead.

a misdemeanor gun charge.
people that had no business being there.

The people who he shot put themselves in a bad situation why does no blame fall on them they were attacking a minor. Trying to kill him.


so far the only thing you can say he's guilty of is some statutory gun misdemeanor.

To clean that he shouldn't have shot those people is to claim that he should have been put to death for having that gun.

You assume he would have been killed. Facts not in evidence.

A straw purchase is a felony.

He was breaking the law at the time, and that ususaply means you dont get to claim self defense.

I have said repeatedly that he doesn't deserve to have his life destroyed. But he does deserve having a knot snatched in him.

Why does everybody else get to be held accountable for their dumb decisions and not him?

 

[What if...?]

I think what he is claiming is it wasn't illegal using the "unemployment" check to buy the weapon. It could have been tooth fairy money, and a legit buy IF Rittenhouse was buying it himself.

He's not old enough. And why didn't he have his mom buy it if it was all on the up and up?

Seems more than one adult bears some responsibility too.

 

[ASHES]

I can't believe they still haven't enlarged the image. Maybe they should prepare their exhibits before they present them. Just an idea.

 

[Grizzly Adams]

Before the shooting the defendant appeared to be walking the area with his hand on his weapon asking protesters "does anyone need a medic or help", one of the responses was something like "get out of here with that gun".

To me that looked as though he was menacing and confronting people under the guise of helping.

OR he knows there are nefarious people around who might try to take it. Always control your firearm. Pretty basic rule of having one.

 

[gboisjo]

ou assume he would have been killed. Facts not in evidence.

A straw purchase is a felony.

He was breaking the law at the time, and that ususaply means you dont get to claim self defense.

I have said repeatedly that he doesn't deserve to have his life destroyed. But he does deserve having a knot snatched in him.

Why does everybody else get to be held accountable for their dumb decisions and not him?

True that and make no mistake about it, if Rittenhouse goes to prison, he will be someones bitch.

 

[CLAX1911]

You assume he would have been killed. Facts not in evidence.

one of them had a gun and was gearing up to shoot him.

A straw purchase is a felony.

I'm not sure this is a straw purchase.

He was breaking the law at the time, and that ususaply means you dont get to claim self defense.

so if you're breaking any law at any time you deserve the death penalty?
[QUOT
I have said repeatedly that he doesn't deserve to have his life destroyed. But he does deserve having a knot snatched in him.[/QUOTE] well he got that.

Why does everybody else get to be held accountable for their dumb decisions and not him?

they aren't the lack of these other people's accountability was the reason why they were there.

One of these people should have been in jail for the rest of his life long before he ever turned up here.

Kyle didn't make a dumb decision he made a smart one.

 

[What if...?]

is there a restriction on buying a gun from a friend at a certain age?
not if you just bought it from his friend if he had his friend buy it for him then yeah.
so for that crime you should have the death penalty?

If you're under 18 you're not allowed.to buy a gun. Same as a felon.

Why am I sure that you don't feel the same if a felon has a friend buy him a gun?

Ownership of the firearm never transferred to Rittenhouse. It was kept at Black's stepfather's house and there was talk of giving Kyle possession when he turned 18. A straw purchase is when you buy a gun and then give it to someone else without the intention of you owning it. Rittenhouse and Black didn't do that. There's no charge for it either. This is the different than a father buying a hunting rifle for a son with the intention of giving him ownership when he comes of age.

Black got charged.

 

[Grizzly Adams]

He was breaking the law at the time, and that ususaply means you dont get to claim self defense.

What a pantload. If I'm jaywalking and someone has to jam on their brakes, gets pissed off, then hops out of their car with a hatchet and charges at me, am I now obligated to take whatever they're going to dish out just because I was breaking the law?

Of course not.

Your assertion is nonsensical.

 

[KevinKohler]

True that and make no mistake about it, if Rittenhouse goes to prison, he will be someones bitch.

He won't, just like Zimmerman didn't. Because nothing he did was ILLEGAL. At some point, we're (america) gonna have to definitively answer the question : Is it still self defense if you knowingly, wilfully, placed your armed self in harms way?

 

[Cardinal]

It worked for the Chauvin prosecution. There's no reason it can't work here.

Which is like saying that if I employ the tactics of Evander Holyfield I'm guaranteed to get the same results.

 

[CLAX1911]

If you're under 18 you're not allowed.to buy a gun. Same as a felon.

Says who?

Why am I sure that you don't feel the same if a felon has a friend buy him a gun?
Black got charged.

if it was indeed a straw purchase the felony is his not Kyle's

 

[KevinKohler]

What a pantload. If I'm jaywalking and someone has to jam on their brakes, gets pissed off, then hops out of their car with a hatchet and charges at me, am I now obligated to take whatever they're going to dish out just because I was breaking the law?

Of course not.

Your assertion is nonsensical.

Spot on. But let me ask you a question...


If you stand in traffic, and an oncoming vehicle doesn't slow down or swerve to miss you...can you draw your weapon and open fire to defend yourself?

 

[SkyFox76]

It was the 29th the police detective said. That was for 2 of Rittenhouse's Rosenbaum shell casings anyway. Haven't heard any testimony regarding any other shell casings found at a later date.

Okay yes, that's correct. Here's my post on the topic with the link to the site that reported it.

Kyle Rittenhouse, 17, charged with murder after two killed during Wisconsin protests

I think this "chain" will go the way of the Molotov. I agree it's Rosenbaum, but what's odd is, in that still it looks like weird chain maybe a 12"-14" long. It reaches his knee. In the video the length is reaching all the way down to his socks and much thinner. At 19 seconds he swings it...

debatepolitics.com

 

[Grizzly Adams]

Spot on. But let me ask you a question...


If you stand in traffic, and an oncoming vehicle doesn't slow down or swerve to miss you...can you draw your weapon and open fire to defend yourself?

Possibly. But that's not even close to an analogy to what happened here.

 

[What if...?]

one of them had a gun and was gearing up to shoot him.
I'm not sure this is a straw purchase.
so if you're breaking any law at any time you deserve the death penalty?
[QUOT
I have said repeatedly that he doesn't deserve to have his life destroyed. But he does deserve having a knot snatched in him.

well he got that.
they aren't the lack of these other people's accountability was the reason why they were there.

One of these people should have been in jail for the rest of his life long before he ever turned up here.

Kyle didn't make a dumb decision he made a smart one.
[/QUOTE]
He let himself get separated from his group.

So not situationally aware enough to be in that situation in the first place.

 

[KevinKohler]

Says who?
if it was indeed a straw purchase the felony is his not Kyle's

The federal government.

 

[Grizzly Adams]

He won't, just like Zimmerman didn't. Because nothing he did was ILLEGAL. At some point, we're (america) gonna have to definitively answer the question : Is it still self defense if you knowingly, wilfully, placed your armed self in harms way?

He ran for at least half a block while Rosenbaum chased him down. If that's not trying to get out of harm's way, I don't know what is.