[W:#389: 420, 790]Texas elementary school reports 'active shooter' on campus

[BlueTex]

I know lots of people that make their own loads and reload.

So...going to crack down on that too? So that it costs people more $$ to train and use firearms properly and safely? Cost more to protect themselves?

It would be TRIVIAL to tax smokeless powder, primers casings and bullets...

 

[BahamaBob]

That was wrong too. No they should not be able to purchase a gun. In fact I would support a 25 year age limit. Young adults are unstable by nature. They already commit suicide with guns more than any other age group.

Firearm suicide is having a devastating impact on American youth. Over the past decade, the firearm suicide rate among young people has increased faster than in any other age group. Today, it’s at a near all-time high. As students begin an unpredictable school year in the middle of the COVID-19 pandemic, there is concern that the anxiety and loneliness already felt by many young people will continue to increase. This comes at the same time as the US has seen an unprecedented surge in gun sales, raising concern about the already growing rates of firearm suicide as many youth continue to stay home. But suicide, including firearm suicide, can be prevented. We know that removing access to firearms, a particularly lethal means, is the easiest and quickest intervention. We can potentially save lives by implementing policies that limit easy and immediate access to firearms, increasing awareness of risk factors, improving access to mental health care, and supporting America’s youth.

https://everytownresearch.org/report/the-rise-of-firearm-suicide-among-young-americans/

Hmm, if under 25 is "unstable by nature". At what age should you be allowed to vote?

 

[TurtleDude]

Nobody said anything about disarming the poor. You could have gun licensing, gun waiting periods, mandatory uniform background checks, and people of all stripe would be able to own a firearm - they'd just have to wait a bit.

other have called for massive increases in the cost of ammo and arms. Is it too much to ask that those who gleefully use these tragedies to advance their hatred of gun ownership to actually wait until there is credible information about the shooter? for example, Steven Paddock-the Vegas shooter was worth over 10 Million dollars and had two planes and a pilots license. There was nothing that could deter him

 

[Lursa]

You have a right to purchase any number of items, and an obligation to insure them. Ask your mortgage provider if you can just not insure the property that is your right to own.

What right do you have to purchase 'items?' And as for a mortgage...that's an obligation you have to your loaner. If you own your home, there's no law you have to have insurance.

But, no, as a gun owner, I'm not kidding. I think it ought to be very expensive to produce, purchase or own a killing tool.

You ignored my point about it it being prejudicial, even racist, to place financial barriers before exercising a right.

And training should be mandatory. I had the scouts, the explorers and my sharpshooter father.

I am all for training for the reasons "I" wrote. But please tell me what training prevents crimes? None is needed, point, pull trigger.

So that's another 'sounds good, means well' solution and is recommended for all, but it has nothing to do with reducing crime/mass shootings.

Now, any old ****o can buy and walk around with a murder tool.

No, that's not true. Is that what you really believe?

 

[Jack Fabulous]

Be sure to tell them that on their way out the door. I'm sure it will be helpful. Now you're on your own, kiddo!

Are you talking about school kids or adults? From your post it appeared as if you were talking about adults.

 

[BlueTex]

Is the purpose of this tax to deter law abiding citizens from exercising a Constitutionally protected right, or to reduce the amount of training the gun control advocates keep saying we need?

Is someone who is planning to die in a mass shooting concerned with the credit care debt they leave behind?

It to pay for the cost of enforcement and the costs idiots impose on the rest of us...

 

[Patriotic Voter]

We have the 2nd amendment..

which never should have been put in the Constitution.

We have once again the 1968 gun laws start enforcing them

What were those laws?

 

[Overitall]

Don't remind me. But at least they are trained and evaluated and the crazies are weeded out hopefully.

I imagine there are many killers that are trained to shoot a firearm. That argument doesn't seem to wash.

 

[iguanaman]

Fair point, you could likely never be able to keep guns out of the hands of lawbreakers anyway, especially with the wide open Southern boarder and cartels more than happy to fill orders on prohibited weapons... and China and Russia more than willing to profit as well.

But just watch the various 24 hour news channels and all of their engineered grievances, victimizations and demonizations of fellow Americans to see what is fueling this. It's not even relegated to that amnymore, this shit permiates all forms of news and entertainment. We are a culture addicted to rage.

Actually the cartels buy their gun here easily. No other country has such lax laws regulating weapons of war.

Where do Mexican drug cartels get their guns? Often, the United States​

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...xican-drug-cartels-including-cjng/5586129001/

 

[poweRob]

Most Americans didn’t own slaves. They did, however, own guns, without the apparent need to commit mass murder. Our society’s sick. Not sure what the cure is, but a dose of Jesus can’t hurt.

Conservative Jesus seems to hurt a lot of people so... pass.

 

[Irredentist]

That is the eternal question. But so long as our gun laws are what they are, the only logical solution to mass shootings is that while children are under the care of the government school system acting in loco parentis, they should be behind fortress walls.

That isn't a logical solution at all. It's completely arbitrary. Mass shootings can occur anywhere and without warning. And yet the only places that should receive adequate protection are government buildings?

 

[BlueTex]

Poll tax anyone. Just the usual Democrat ploy.

LMAO... What "poll" is being taxed?

 

[highroller]

Poll tax anyone. Just the usual Democrat ploy.

Poll taxes are unconstitutional. Bullet taxes are not. Show me where it says it in the constitution.

 

[Nomad4Ever]

That is the eternal question. But so long as our gun laws are what they are, the only logical solution to mass shootings is that while children are under the care of the government school system acting in loco parentis, they should be behind fortress walls.

I made fun of the “arming teachers” thing way back when that was being pushed a serious suggestion but honestly at this point there are worse short term solutions.

 

[Antiwar]

Most gun proponents are hacks.

 

[Lursa]

It would be TRIVIAL to tax smokeless powder, primers casings and bullets...

??? Have you ever gone to the range consistently and trained? Do you compete (I do). Sorry, your statement is not valid.

 

[lwf]

Every single Republican supported 26 deaths in Sandy Hook, Connecticut almost 10 years ago. So I know all Republicans totally support these 20 deaths.

What makes you think every single Republican supported the deaths of 26 people at Sandy Hook? I know of no one who supports mass shootings or the murder of children.

 

[Geoist]

The only thing I want to hear from the anti-gun crowd is, at long last, a detailed articulation of exactly what it is they want done that would prevent these events. I’m not interested in the drive-by cheap shots at your political opponents while you crawl back into your hole until the next shooting.

We can never fully prevent these events. The toothpaste is out of the tube and it will take time to quell the toxic gun culture that has proliferated in this country. There have been many proposed ideas for what we can do now to alleviate the problem from stricter laws on gun manufacturers, to regulations on gun shows, to barring violent felons from gun ownership, etc. But Republicans will not propose nor support any form of regulation at this point because they are owned by the NRA and any support of sensible regulation is akin to political suicide.

 

[Lursa]

I am sure there are solutions that could be done to prevent mass-casualty events for children drop-off and pick-up, but they would probably be along the same lines as people being allowed to enter into a prison parking lot during visitation time. Playgrounds would have to be located within interior lawned or gravel courtyards. Our schools would probably end up looking much like Japanese schools; massive, multi-story concrete affairs. Though Japanese schools tend to have very large windows so the children can get sunshine. Our schools windows would probably have to be smaller, bulletproof, and located closer to the ceiling to prevent someone being able to aim at children.

Yeah...see? Now IMO you are not in the realm of reality. Sorry, too far, too far-fetched.

 

[Spunkylama]

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott, Donald Trump scheduled to address NRA conference 72 hours after elementary school shooting​

Gov. Greg Abbott and Trump scheduled to address NRA conference in Texas 72 hours after elementary-school shooting

The National Rifle Association is scheduled to host numerous Republicans on Friday at its annual conference in Houston.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[BlueTex]

other have called for massive increases in the cost of ammo and arms. Is it too much to ask that those who gleefully use these tragedies to advance their hatred of gun ownership to actually wait until there is credible information about the shooter? for example, Steven Paddock-the Vegas shooter was worth over 10 Million dollars and had two planes and a pilots license. There was nothing that could deter him

Do you oppose gun owners having to pay for the cost of their "hobby"? Why should the rest of us shoulder this cost?

 

[highroller]

What makes you think every single Republican supported the deaths of 26 people at Sandy Hook? I know of no one who supports mass shootings or the murder of children.

By supporting policies that enable the actions you support the actions.

 

[Manc Skipper]

One simple thing short of banning, that could stop this carnage is a mandatory background check before purchasing a gun, including private sales.
Hypocite Cruz spouting off on TV about how saddened he is on has done more than most to enable shooters like this, by fighting background checks.

 

[Irredentist]

Are you talking about school kids or adults? From your post it appeared as if you were talking about adults.

Kids don't stop being kids once they turn eighteen, in my opinion. It takes a lot longer for the brain to fully mature. But none of that is going to help them if they are unlucky enough to be caught up in a mass shooting anyway.

 

[Napoleon]

We can never fully prevent these events. The toothpaste is out of the tube and it will take time to quell the toxic gun culture that has proliferated in this country. There have been many proposed ideas for what we can do now to alleviate the problem from stricter laws on gun manufacturers, to regulations on gun shows, to barring violent felons from gun ownership, etc. But Republicans will not propose nor support any form of regulation at this point because they are owned by the NRA and any support of sensible regulation is akin to political suicide.

You might be surprised at what they would support as a stand-alone bill.