[W:236] Name them and shame them or let them do their jobs?

[Aunt Antifa]

I may be wrong but I think Barr said he has seen no widespread fraud that would change the results. There is a distinction between no widespread fraud and absolutely none.

So the threshold is zero? Okay: how many of Trump’s 74m votes do you think were illegal? If there is one, do we throw them out? 2?

 

[foolardi]

A few loose canyons does not a mob make. The implication was made that there would be violence in the streets. Do you believe it’s possible?

Implication ... Decertification.We had 3 years of Russian Collusion
implications.Plural.Each week a different flavor of Trumpism implication.
We the People have been Lied to,slandered and taken for granted.
" That men do not learn very much from the lessons of history is the
most important lessons of history. "
" An unexciting truth may be eclipsed by a thrilling lie. "
-- Aldous Huxley

 

[Aunt Antifa]

Is this your attempt to deflect? Duly noted.

Two public officials discussing an election in which one is demanding the other falsify vote totals. The We-Want-More-Transparency-People really need to pick a lane.

Or just admit they hate this country already.

 

[BlueTex]

If you go to and read some of the Conservative political forums you will see that there are a LOT of them calling for Violence in the streets.
it is scary just how many are
Have a nice day

Fine, let them take to the streets and commit violence... It might be a difficult few weeks but this idiocy must be dealt with now...

 

[BlueTex]

Implication ... Decertification.We had 3 years of Russian Collusion
implications.Plural.Each week a different flavor of Trumpism implication.
We the People have been Lied to,slandered and taken for granted.
" That men do not learn very much from the lessons of history is the
most important lessons of history. "
" An unexciting truth may be eclipsed by a thrilling lie. "
-- Aldous Huxley

Decertification? How? Which state? Do you just make up shit that sounds cool or have you actually read any of the state election laws?

 

[foolardi]

So the threshold is zero? Okay: how many of Trump’s 74m votes do you think were illegal? If there is one, do we throw them out? 2?

One CANNOT with any credibility say or write that President Trump hasn't
repeatedly warned about the possible harms that could easily happen with
Unsolicited Mail-out ballots.We now know that included Provisional ballots.
Even Mail-out ballots { numerous } to New Yorkers who own cats.

 

[roguenuke]

You’re basing your opinion on what a few people have said and drawn the conclusion from it that violence in the streets is possible. People have come forward claiming they weren’t allowed to vote and people are claiming they are mistaken. Others are claiming irregularities in the process have occurred. Yet, no voter fraud happened. No need to investigate.

These are two separate things.

First, violence in the streets is possible and in fact probable (I have not presented any sort of claim as to how much violence will occur, how widespread, or who will start it or do most of it) or are you unaware of the definition of "possible"?

Second, claims that you have presented of voter fraud have been investigated and some are still being investigated, but none of those claims come anywhere close to equating to widespread voter fraud in a form that would overturn the known election results. It was not significant voter fraud, even with just the allegations that are at all credible.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

One CANNOT with any credibility say or write that President Trump hasn't
repeatedly warned about the possible harms that could easily happen with
Unsolicited Mail-out ballots.We now know that included Provisional ballots.
Even Mail-out ballots { numerous } to New Yorkers who own cats.

Yes, we all heard him declare repeatedly that if he lost the election, it’s only cause it was rigged. And then he made a phone call and demanded the election be rigged for him.

Lots of rigging came out of his mouth about a lot of things.

 

[foolardi]

Fine, let them take to the streets and commit violence... It might be a difficult few weeks but this idiocy must be dealt with now...

All a pile of Coulda ... Woulda ... Shoulda !!!
We had an entire Summer of Riots c/o Democrat supporters in the form
of BLM and Antifa.Not one Riot c/o Trump supporters.
All those Riots c/o Big Democrat city's run by Democrat Mayors and
city Councils.Yet at this Summers DNC convention not a peep about violence.
Whereas the RNC focused mightly about the hazards of Riots in the streets.
Any Questions ... My Dear Alphonse ?

 

[Tbird19482]

What scale are we talking about? Similar to what we seen in cities like Portland over the summer or isolated incidents.

It all depends on what web site you go to some are really bad and some not so much but on all of them there is some that are for violence.
It is the same way on the left.
and from what I see a lot of people on here are grouping everybody on the left ( or Right ) as being violent when it is the far end of the spectrum that is doing it not the Main stream people.
Have a nice day

 

[BlueTex]

All a pile of Coulda ... Woulda ... Shoulda !!!
We had an entire Summer of Riots c/o of Democrat supporters in the form
of BLM and Antifa.Not one Riot c/o of Trump supporters.
All those Riots c/o Big Democrat city's run by Democrat Mayors and
city Councils.Yet at this Summers DNC convention not a peep about violence.
Whereas the RNC focused mightly about the hazards of Riots in the streets.
Any Questions ... My Dear Alphonse ?

And... like I said, take to the streets and commit violence... It will be short lived but the consequences for those that do will last a lifetime...

 

[foolardi]

Yes, we all heard him declare repeatedly that if he lost the election, it’s only cause it was rigged. And then he made a phone call and demanded the election be rigged for him.

Lots of rigging came out of his mouth about a lot of things.

I get it.You've been trained well.To hear just what you want to hear and
nothing more.In fact,maybe a whole lot more than what you hear.
because this MSM has been found out.They just make-up stuff.
Joe Biden was the auxiliary Made-up Candidate.A Virtual
China Manchurian candidate.Biden wasn't even allowed to name a V.P.
It was done thru channels by Puppetmaster Obama with Michelle's
helping hand.Always keeping in mind how Racist the country.
I guess that says something about Electing Twice Barack Hussein Obama.
The pap is getting so thick I doubt Mother Nature is gonna tolerate
mush more.Maybe the Movie - Crack in the World - 1965 { British }.

 

[Tbird19482]

Implication ... Decertification.We had 3 years of Russian Collusion
implications.Plural.Each week a different flavor of Trumpism implication.
We the People have been Lied to,slandered and taken for granted.
" That men do not learn very much from the lessons of history is the
most important lessons of history. "
" An unexciting truth may be eclipsed by a thrilling lie. "
-- Aldous Huxley

You can keep saying that the Russian stuff was made up all you want .fact is several Republican Senators that did see the evidence said that Trump was guilty but they were NOT going to vote for his removal.
They said it, and by not holding a real Trial in the Senate ( thanks to McConnell ) they broke their oath of being impartial Jurors and did the American people wrong.
You can't say things were made up when McConnell did NOT let the Senate do their job and hold a real trial , look at all the evidence then vote ON the evidence and NOT on party lines
Have a nice day

 

[Overitall]

So the threshold is zero? Okay: how many of Trump’s 74m votes do you think were illegal? If there is one, do we throw them out? 2?

Yes (to the last question). Back to Biden. Would you be willing to do the same?

 

[Aunt Antifa]

Yes (to the last question). Back to Biden. Would you be willing to do the same?

Of course not. Disenfranchising millions of voters because of a few illegal/bad votes is pretty stupid.

 

[Overitall]

These are two separate things.

First, violence in the streets is possible and in fact probable (I have not presented any sort of claim as to how much violence will occur, how widespread, or who will start it or do most of it) or are you unaware of the definition of "possible"?

Second, claims that you have presented of voter fraud have been investigated and some are still being investigated, but none of those claims come anywhere close to equating to widespread voter fraud in a form that would overturn the known election results. It was not significant voter fraud, even with just the allegations that are at all credible.

So you agree that any allegations of voted fraud should investigated. Based on formed opinions of those who have looked at all the evidence presented it’s not unreasonable for the senators to question the electoral votes in some states.

We all have our own opinion. You’ve shared yours and I shared mine. Isn’t freedom of speech great!

 

[Overitall]

Of course not. Disenfranchising millions of voters because of a few illegal/bad votes is pretty stupid.

I’m not advocating tossing out ALL ballots. Only illegal ones. You have a problem with that when it comes to looking at those cast for Biden?

 

[foolardi]

And... like I said, take to the streets and commit violence... It will be short lived but the consequences for those that do will last a lifetime...

Unless one has proof how much is accomplished thru Rioting.
Yet Democrats still use it as if some badge of honor.
Like with O.J. even after he got exonerated.Mores like Venerated.
Democrats are just plain stupid and demand loyalty from their flock
no matter what.It's the closest to Hitler's Third Reich as ever in History.
Which is why yer average Democrat knucklebrain { Knuckle-dragging }
insists on using Hitler and Hitlerian to define Trump and his supporters.
Like MSNBC's contributor Steve "SS" Schmidt.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

I’m not advocating tossing out ALL ballots. Only illegal ones. You have a problem with that when it comes to looking at those cast for Biden?

We did that already. States have certification process for both casting ballots and counting them.

And we all heard the tape. This isn’t about election security. Trump wants to retain power. You can keep hiding behind “BUT QUESTIONS” all you want.

 

[roguenuke]

So you agree that any allegations of voted fraud should investigated. Based on formed opinions of those who have looked at all the evidence presented it’s not unreasonable for the senators to question the electoral votes in some states.

We all have our own opinion. You’ve shared yours and I shared mine. Isn’t freedom of speech great!

No. "Any" allegations of voter fraud should not be investigated. They need to be credible allegations.

It is unreasonable for them to question the electoral votes in those states since they are basing their objections off of bad information. I listened to that phone call and the claims Trump is making. They are all bullshit and already been shown by plenty of actual experts and investigators and even some just plain out reasonable people why they are bullshit.

 

[roguenuke]

I’m not advocating tossing out ALL ballots. Only illegal ones. You have a problem with that when it comes to looking at those cast for Biden?

You cannot possibly separate illegal ballots from legal ones. That is not possible. But unless you can find evidence of significant voter fraud committed (which you do not have), then it is also highly unreasonable to throw out the votes of millions of others for some few (very few that there is evidence for) wrongful votes.

Plus, Trump and his allies are trying to basically claim that any "illegal" ballots found must have been made for Biden. That is a highly assumptive and fallacious argument without any evidence to support it. In fact, we know that at least 2 "dead people votes" were made for Trump.

 

[foolardi]

So you agree that any allegations of voted fraud should investigated. Based on formed opinions of those who have looked at all the evidence presented it’s not unreasonable for the senators to question the electoral votes in some states.

We all have our own opinion. You’ve shared yours and I shared mine. Isn’t freedom of speech great!

Um ... Opinion and Opinions are before an Election.A General Election is strictly
what The Freest of Country on Earth affords it's citizens.The right to vote.W/O interference
or outside pressure.Free and Fair elections.There is no Opining on a ballot.
If there were I'd have aced me ballot and given a { mailed to me } box of fine
Godiva chocolates { with a freshness date }.
This ain't an SAT test where an Optional essay is allowed.Very seldom used.

 

[Overitall]

We did that already. States have certification process for both casting ballots and counting them.

And we all heard the tape. This isn’t about election security. Trump wants to retain power. You can keep hiding behind “BUT QUESTIONS” all you want.

Certifying and investigating alleged illegal cast ballots and/or irregularities are not the same. Do you think the certifiers look at each and every ballot under a microscope?

Still you seem to have an unwillingness to even consider whether Biden benefitted from fraud.

 

[Overitall]

No. "Any" allegations of voter fraud should not be investigated. They need to be credible allegations.

It is unreasonable for them to question the electoral votes in those states since they are basing their objections off of bad information. I listened to that phone call and the claims Trump is making. They are all bullshit and already been shown by plenty of actual experts and investigators and even some just plain out reasonable people why they are bullshit.

An opinion, again. To them their information is solid.

 

[BlueTex]

I’m not advocating tossing out ALL ballots. Only illegal ones. You have a problem with that when it comes to looking at those cast for Biden?

They already did that... Biden got 306 electoral votes and Trump got 232