[W:#23,579]Ukraine War Thread

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[Rogue Valley]

Zelensky reveals details of chat with Trump at NATO summit

President Trump spoke with Zelensky before he left The Hague after spending less than 24 hours there for the NATO summit.

www.newsweek.com

Peruse at your leisure.

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Rubio surprises NATO allies with softer rhetoric on Russia sanctions

Allied foreign ministers say the secretary of state took a harsher tone against the Kremlin in private.

www.politico.eu

>U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio on Wednesday threw cold water on European calls for more sanctions on Russia. That came as a surprise to the NATO foreign ministers Rubio met the night before at the alliance’s annual summit. Rubio, who came under criticism at the dinner over Trump’s reluctance to toughen up on Moscow, acknowledged to his European counterparts that Russia was the problem holding back peace talks to end the Ukraine war, according to the officials, who were granted anonymity to discuss the private dinner. But hours later during an exclusive interview with POLITICO’s Dasha Burns on the sidelines of the NATO summit, Rubio outlined the administration’s rationale for holding off on further sanctioning Russia. “If we did what everybody here wants us to do, and that is come in and crush them with more sanctions, we probably lose our ability to talk to them about the ceasefire and then who’s talking to them?” Rubio said, adding that Trump will know the “time and place” for changing tack.<

From being a longtime Senate hawk regarding Russia, Rubio has degenerated into a dependable "yes man" for Donald Trump.

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Ukraine's drone pilots are overhauling which Russian targets they think matter most, and tanks have fallen far from the top

Kills on tanks and multiple launch rocket systems used to offer the top bonus for Ukraine's drone pilots. That's now changed dramatically.

www.businessinsider.com

>Russian tanks and rocket launchers used to be the most highly valued target for Ukrainian drones — but no longer. Ukraine's drone forces recently revamped a points system that rewards pilots for battlefield kills, and it's putting the greatest emphasis on targeting Russian drone operators. Ukrainian units now earn 15 points for wounding a drone pilot and 25 for eliminating them, said Maj. Robert "Magyar" Brovdi, the new commander of Ukraine's Unmanned Systems Forces, in a video address on June 12. Brovdi said the change came from concerns that Ukrainian drone units weren't clearing Russian infantry as quickly as needed, allowing Moscow to accumulate a surplus of troops on the frontline. Now, Ukraine's system has doubled the points a drone pilot can score from eliminating a Russian soldier, from six points to 12 per kill.<

If the end results are better for Ukraine, then by all means use the new updated points system.

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Ukraine's new drone boss is already getting battlefield results

Robert Brovdi, who led the elite aerial reconnaissance unit "Birds of the Madyar," was tapped for the top drone command in late May.

www.newsweek.com

>The promotion of 49-year-old Robert Brovdi, known by his call sign "Madyar," formalized what many in Kyiv and beyond had already recognized: drone warfare is now the backbone of Ukraine's military strategy. His appointment as commander of Ukraine's newly formed Unmanned Systems Forces (USF) underscores the central role drones now play in the country's defense. Ukraine's defense ministry says drone strikes are now responsible for up to 80 percent of Russian battlefield casualties. At his underground base, drone operators—known as "Madyar's Birds"—work 12-hour shifts monitoring live drone feeds. The walls are covered with destroyed or captured Russian UAVs, including a battered Merlin reconnaissance drone capable of flying nearly 400 miles, displayed like a war trophy, according to the Times. Brovdi's unit also benefits from a video-game like, performance-based incentive program. Crews earn points for confirmed kills and equipment strikes—which can be exchanged for new gear. Digital Minister Mykhailo Fedorov told Politico that Brovdi's team has already accumulated enough points to receive more than 1,100 new drones.<

Ukraine drone forces Commander Robert "Madyar" Brovdi.

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Russia plans to teach China how to beat US and NATO weapons: Ukraine intel

Analysts say Beijing is eager to learn from Moscow's combat experience, even as its military capabilities eclipse its Russian ally's

www.newsweek.com

>Russia plans to train hundreds of Chinese military personnel this year on lessons learned from its ongoing invasion of Ukraine, the Kyiv Post reported. Instructors will cover methods for countering weapons systems used by Ukrainian forces that were produced by the United States and its NATO allies, a source in Ukraine's top intelligence agency told the outlet. Security analysts say China has closely studied the war—and the world's response—and could apply these lessons in an invasion of Taiwan, the island democracy Beijing has vowed to unify with, through force if necessary.<

Putin and Xi are seemingly light years ahead of Donald Trump regarding their joint effortts to destroy the United States.

 

[ASHES]

A look at more Russian armored assaults from the perspective of Ukrainian defensive positions and drones. They defend with artillery, javelins, drones, grenades, and small arms.

14 minutes

 

[Hamish Howl]

>Russia plans to train hundreds of Chinese military personnel this year on lessons learned from its ongoing invasion of Ukraine, the Kyiv Post reported. Instructors will cover methods for countering weapons systems used by Ukrainian forces that were produced by the United States and its NATO allies, a source in Ukraine's top intelligence agency told the outlet. Security analysts say China has closely studied the war—and the world's response—and could apply these lessons in an invasion of Taiwan, the island democracy Beijing has vowed to unify with, through force if necessary.<

Putin and Xi are seemingly light years ahead of Donald Trump regarding their joint effortts to destroy the United States.

I am not really worried about Russia training China, as Russia hasn't actually learned from its mistakes.

Mostly because they throw their troops away, so no learning gets done.

 

[Hamish Howl]

A look at more Russian armored assaults from the perspective of Ukrainian defensive positions and drones. They defend with artillery, javelins, drones, grenades, and small arms.

14 minutes

Yeah, that attack was stupid as hell. Instead of sending the armored column at a weak spot, they did a frontal attack on prepared positions.

"Frontal attacks are a pathology."
- Colonel Frank Watson, 1990

 

[JANFU]

Amidst two years of Russians burning European shopping malls, attempting to bomb commercial aircraft, blowing up European factories, sabotaging infrastructure and attempted assassinations, there have been no real consequences for Moscow. So, today as anything thinking person knew they would, the Russians have escalated, again.

German authorities are investigating what appears to be a coordinated arson attack on military logistics vehicles in the German city of Erfurt, an incident now being treated as suspected sabotage by foreign operatives. The blaze, which destroyed several Rheinmetall-manufactured military trucks on June 26, has raised urgent questions about the reach of Russian intelligence and the security of NATO infrastructure deep inside alliance territory

 

[Hamish Howl]

Do they somehow believe that Germans scare?

Because you can say all manner of shit about Germans, even in the present day, but you can't find a coward there no matter how bad you need one.

 

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[Fletch]

A look at more Russian armored assaults from the perspective of Ukrainian defensive positions and drones. They defend with artillery, javelins, drones, grenades, and small arms.

14 minutes

I dont get the Russian strategy of sending out 2 or 3 vehicles at a time across open fields. Theyre sitting ducks.

 

[Roadvirus]

I dont get the Russian strategy of sending out 2 or 3 vehicles at a time across open fields. Theyre sitting ducks.

They're morons being led by morons. What do you expect?

 

[Hamish Howl]

I dont get the Russian strategy of sending out 2 or 3 vehicles at a time across open fields. Theyre sitting ducks.

That was their prewar strategy. You send small units all across the line and exploit any weak spots you find.

They won't change it, even though they no longer have enough armor to exploit a breakthrough.

 

[Fletch]

They're morons being led by morons. What do you expect?

I expect some level of military intelligence. And if you are saying it doesnt exist, why are you so worried about NATO?

 

[ASHES]

I dont get the Russian strategy of sending out 2 or 3 vehicles at a time across open fields. Theyre sitting ducks.

The point is to pinpoint the location of Ukrainian defensive positions. They're completely expendable for that purpose. Sometimes if the position is weak they can capture it. If not, after that, artillery, drones and airstrikes can hit the position followed by larger armored mobile infantry attacks.

 

[Fletch]

The point is to pinpoint the location of Ukrainian defensive positions. They're completely expendable for that purpose. Sometimes if the position is weak they can capture it. If not, after that, artillery, drones and airstrikes can hit the position followed by larger armored mobile infantry attacks.

Ive seen better strategy in paintball games.

 

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[pedex]

Ive seen better strategy in paintball games.

I don't think you understand what the effect of drones is and is morphing into. The line of contact is now almost a 15 mile wide gray zone where death comes easily.

 

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[Roadvirus]

Russia plans to teach China how to beat US and NATO weapons: Ukraine intel

Analysts say Beijing is eager to learn from Moscow's combat experience, even as its military capabilities eclipse its Russian ally's

www.newsweek.com

>Russia plans to train hundreds of Chinese military personnel this year on lessons learned from its ongoing invasion of Ukraine, the Kyiv Post reported. Instructors will cover methods for countering weapons systems used by Ukrainian forces that were produced by the United States and its NATO allies, a source in Ukraine's top intelligence agency told the outlet. Security analysts say China has closely studied the war—and the world's response—and could apply these lessons in an invasion of Taiwan, the island democracy Beijing has vowed to unify with, through force if necessary.<

Putin and Xi are seemingly light years ahead of Donald Trump regarding their joint effortts to destroy the United States.

Russia is teaching China "war strategy"?

Poor China.

 

[Roadvirus]

I am not really worried about Russia training China, as Russia hasn't actually learned from its mistakes.

You can't learn much from an army whose battlefield tactics & reactions can be easily played to Benny Hill music.

 

[Roadvirus]

The EU needs to start calling these what they are: Acts of war.

That'll put a stop to 'em damn quick.

 

[Roadvirus]

That was their prewar strategy. You send small units all across the line and exploit any weak spots you find.

There are not very many "weak spots" anymore in Ukrainian defense. Not when they've got tons upon tons of drones, both domestically made & NATO provided..

 

[911Sparky]

This lady is brave, she must have a single story residence.