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[W:220,1256]***Trinitarianism = Polytheism

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According to the bible, there is only one god, yet somehow the believers in the trinity seems to think that this god has three different persons, and are distinct as well.

Basic math will tell you that 1+1+1=3, yet trinitarians somehow think it is just one.

This so-called problem has been with Christianity since the very beginning of the religion and it has never been resolved. In fact, it is the reason why there are so many different denominations, its an inherent flaw that makes the trinity unworkable since it has no sound logical basis, and is therefore incompatible with the modern world and basic thinking in general.

The trinity can only work if you believe in 3 gods, and thats polytheism, not monotheism.
 
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Not since the beginning but close to it...the doctrine was adopted in the 3rd century CE...the early Christians before that time did not believe in 3 Gods in one...more than 20 years after Jesus died and ascended to heaven, the apostle Paul wrote...

“‘For who has known the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?’ But we have the mind of Christ.” 1 Corinthians 2:16

How is it possible to have “the mind of Christ” and yet not know “the mind of the Lord”​...if the Father and the Son are coequal?

Then there's John 6:57..."Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will live because of me."

Jesus repeatedly referred to the Father as “my God”...even after his return to heaven...Matthew 27:46; John 20:17; Revelation 3:2, 12
 
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I agree. It wasnt officially adopted by the orthodox faction until centuries later, but there were many who hailed Jesus as equal to god during the birth of the movement.
 
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On higher dimensional levels our concepts of numbers are no longer relevant. God can be one and infinitely many at the same time.
 
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I agree. It wasnt officially adopted by the orthodox faction until centuries later, but there were many who hailed Jesus as equal to god during the birth of the movement.

But nowhere did Jesus himself claim to be God....he did not act like Satan, who sought worship for himself....instead Jesus truthfully stated.... “The Father is greater than I am.” John 14:28
 
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But nowhere did Jesus himself claim to be God....

"And God said unto Moses, I Am That I Am: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I Am hath sent me unto you". - Exodus 3:14

"Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I Am". -John 8:58


OM
 
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"I and my Father are one" - John 10:30


OM
 
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"And God said unto Moses, I Am That I Am: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I Am hath sent me unto you". - Exodus 3:14

"Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I Am". -John 8:58


OM

That is an inaccurate translation...


https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1957129?q=John+8:58&p=par
 
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On higher dimensional levels our concepts of numbers are no longer relevant. God can be one and infinitely many at the same time.

Or there can be many gods.
 
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"I and my Father are one" - John 10:30


OM

Context is everything...Jesus also says in verse 29...

"What my Father has given me is something greater than all other things, and no one can snatch them out of the hand of the Father."

Jesus' stating he and the Father are one means one in unity...


https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/b/r1/lp-e/nwtsty/E/2018/43/10#s=30&study=discover&v=43:10:3
 
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While you claim that the KJV is mistranslated (which I do not necessarily disagree with that assessment), the NWT is notorious for its dynamically and intentionally-skewed changing of whole words to frame narratives.


OM

Care to address the actual content?
 
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So they can't be three. One is one in any dimension.

Well, to be fair, there were times when raising my son that his mother and I had minor disagreements on his rearing, but still managed to present a "we are as one" united front - even though we were two.


OM
 
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Well, to be fair, there were times when raising my son that his mother and I had minor disagreements on his rearing, but still managed to present a "we are as one" united front.


OM

Exactly, but you are still 2 different individuals...just as Jehovah and Jesus are 2 different individuals...
 
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Jesus' stating he and the Father are one means one in unity...

I accept that explanation; thank you.



OM
 
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Well, to be fair, there were times when raising my son that his mother and I had minor disagreements on his rearing, but still managed to present a "we are as one" united front - even though we were two.


OM

Did he claim that you might be infinite in higher dimensions?
 
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Care to address the actual content?

Absolutely. Let's take a look at the original Greek use of the term ειμι (verse 58), compare. That particular term, literally translated into English, means to be, to exist, to happen, to be present. In other words... IN THE PRESENT. The NWT on the other hand, intentionally (and oddly) mistranslated that Greek term into "I have been" (PAST).


OM
 
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lol...meaning he was present at the time of Abraham...
 
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Did he claim that you might be infinite in higher dimensions?

No, but he did make a habit of trying to continually divide us, as would be expected with a child trying to get what they want.


OM
 
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No, but he did make a habit of trying to continually divide us, as would be expected with a child trying to get what they want.


OM

As a father of two, I've been there.
 
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lol...meaning he was present at the time of Abraham...

Except that Greek term is in the PRESENT; and just so happens to be the same name of the deity invoked in the revered Moses/Exodus narratives. The Johannine narrative has him speaking in an eternal sense. No matter how one slices it, the NWT (again) chose to take a word in its original language, and completely skew it to fit within the framework of an artificial narrative.


OM
 
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I'll go with the ponderance of evidence with other translations, as well as the Bible scholars mentioned...

 
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I'll go with the ponderance of evidence with other translations, as well as the Bible scholars mentioned...

What "other" translations? I thought you adhered specifically to the NWT?


OM
 
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Simply no.

You have that backwards. Christianity is only polythiestic if you don't believe in the trinity.
As Christianity states there is only 1 God.

God is a spirit and does not have a body like man.
God as scripture has shown has 3 distinct personalities. God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.
All three in unity and 1 God.

there is nothing polytheistic about it.

the only way that you can treat it as polytheistic is to consider them each a God and individual people not connected to each other similar to what mormons and JW's teach.
Christ is not a created person. he was with God and Was God John 1:1.
 
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