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[W:148] Affirmative Action promotes systemic racial discrimination.

RealityChecker said:
Well I do not doubt that people of African decent who were brought to America had a very negative effect on their lives. But such hardships do not alter people's genes so how does this explain the under performance of American born blacks today as none of them were subjected to slavery?
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Are you referring to the blacks herded into ghettos after escaping Jim Crow--you know, the ones who came for jobs that no longer exist--or do you maybe mean the black folks still living down in the Jim Crow states who now have their voting rights stripped?

Either way, it looks like you're still pushing Stormfront crap, blaming blacks for their current plight instead of taking ownership of the damage done by whites.
 
Logician Man said:
Already been done. Scroll up thread for verification. You clearly have forgotten your very own posted words. That's verified reality. ;)
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It is not verified if you cannot tell us the post #. It is not hard to do unless you are lying or very confused.
 
RealityChecker said:
It is not verified if you cannot tell us the post #. It is not hard to do unless you are lying or very confused.
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I'm not going to do your homework twice for you. Once was, or should have been enough, for those dealing in reality. If you can't, or won't look at your own posts in this thread, and discern for yourself, that's on you. Here's to hoping we are now clear on such matters going forward. ✌️
 
calamity said:
Are you referring to the blacks herded into ghettos after escaping Jim Crow--you know, the ones who came for jobs that no longer exist--or do you maybe mean the black folks still living down in the Jim Crow states who now have their voting rights stripped?
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Such events do not alter genes and so cannot explain the under performance of the average black American today, who di not live throw past racist policies from Democrats. RC
calamity said:
Either way, it looks like you're still pushing Stormfront crap, blaming blacks for their current plight instead of taking ownership of the damage done by whites.
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I have never heard of Stormfront until you mentioned it here and certainly oppose racist white supremacists or neo-NAZIs. I always can tell when I have won a debate when the racist card is dealt from the bottom of the deck as you are doing. That makes you the loser.
 
TurtleDude said:
I am saying that maybe the problem is white liberals assuming blacks are inferior. that is what affirmative action is based on.
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That's impossibly ignorant and horrifically incorrect. Kinda can't be accidental.
 
Logician Man said:
I'm not going to do your homework twice for you. Once was, or should have been enough, for those dealing in reality. If you can't, or won't look at your own posts in this thread, and discern for yourself, that's on you. Here's to hoping we are now clear on such matters going forward. ✌️
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So you are in effect showing us you cannot support your apparently false claims. That makes you a loser too just like calamity. Birds of a feather flock together.
 
RealityChecker said:
Another leftist loser has joined the flock.
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I'm pro-guns, fiscally conservative and a hawk. You're cheerleading.

Nonetheless, I believe I can speak for leftists when I assure, you and TD, affirmative action is not based on white supremacist beliefs. Why would someone believe AA is based on white supremacist beliefs? That's absurd. No liberal has ever claimed so.

It's racist rhetoric. Very stupid racist rhetoric.

How could anyone possibly believe it?

TurtleDude said:
I am saying that maybe the problem is white liberals assuming blacks are inferior. that is what affirmative action is based on.
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That is not what AA is based on and no liberal has ever claimed so. Your false premise is nuts. You use it to indict liberals as racists. That's nuts too. What the hell.


Maybe we need a poll. Does anyone else here believe AA is based on liberals accepting white supremacist beliefs?

Does anyone else believe AA exists because liberals agree with white supremacists?
 
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ecofarm said:
Nonetheless, I believe I can speak for leftists when I assure, you and TD, affirmative action is not based on white supremacist beliefs. Why would someone believe AA is based on white supremacist beliefs? That's absurd. No liberal has ever claimed so.
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What on Earth makes you believe I or TurtleDude are claiming AA policies are based on white supremacist beliefs?
ecofarm said:
It's racist rhetoric. Very stupid racist rhetoric.
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What is racist rhetoric? Be specific? Do you believe I am an anti-black racist? Tell me you are not that delusional? How much of this discussion have you read?
ecofarm said:
How could anyone possibly believe it?
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Believe "it"? What specifically is the "it" you are referring too?
 
RealityChecker said:
What on Earth makes you believe I or TurtleDude are claiming AA policies are based on white supremacist beliefs?

What is racist rhetoric? Be specific? Do you believe I am an anti-black racist? Tell me you are not that delusional? How much of this discussion have you read?

Believe "it"? What specifically is the "it" you are referring too?
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1. I quoted a claim by TD and objected.
2. You quoted my objection and replied: "another loser liberal joins the fray".
3. I supported my criticism of TD's claim.
4. You claim to not know anything or even what's going on.
 
ecofarm said:
That is not what AA is based on and no liberal has ever claimed so. Your false premise is nuts. You use it to indict liberals as racists. That's nuts too. What the hell.
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That was in response to TurtleDude's comment: "I am saying that maybe the problem is white liberals assuming blacks are inferior. that is what affirmative action is based on." TD

I believe that TD was referring to the soft bigotry of low expectations of some white liberals. I'll leave it to TurtleDude to further clarify, but I can assure you TD does not see AA as racist against blacks, but rather as racist against whites and Asian-Americans. This is pretty obvious if you read his post in this forum. RC
ecofarm said:
Maybe we need a poll. Does anyone else here believe AA is based on liberals accepting white supremacist beliefs?
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No one here is suggesting that. If you are assuming I believe progressive leftists (they ought not be mistaken for liberals) support white supremacist and that is why they support AA policies then you are nuts. The progressive leftists here support AA policies that discriminate against whites as some sort of "remedy" for past discrimination. There are no doubt some conservatives who do so for the same reason. However, when AA policies were voted on in CA (Prop #209) it was defeated soundly in part because many liberal Democrats (who dominate CA politics also saw AA policies as racist against whites and Asian-Americans. Deal with that reality.
ecofarm said:
RCDoes anyone else believe AA exists because liberals agree with white supremacists?
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I would say not only the vast majority of liberals disagree with white supremacists but so do the vast majority of Republicans, conservatives, libertarians, etc.. I would not be surprised if there are more people in America who believe they were abducted by aliens than believe than that. What puzzles me is why on Earth you would possibly believe I believe that!? Again, what on Earth did I say that led you to such an obvious error. RC
 
ecofarm said:
1. I quoted a claim by TD and objected.
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TD can defend himself but it was clear to me you misinterpreted what he meant by that comment. RC
ecofarm said:
2. You quoted my objection and replied: "another loser liberal joins the fray".
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Well you just misquoted me. I stated in response to your obvious to me misinterpretation of TD's comment:

"Another leftist loser has joined the flock." RC

FYI - Leftists are Marxists and fascists and definitely are not liberals. Hell the progressive leftist want to takeaway your guns and other individual rights, destroy free market capitalism, and redistribute wealth and you had just sided with two of progressive leftists. So perhaps I was wrong to say you were a "loser leftist", but your single post sure made it appear to me you were "thinking" like a leftists. But I will take you at your word and agree I was wrong to put you in the progressive leftist ideological camp. It is easy enough misconstrue someone's words in this internet discussion/debates, and it appears I did so by jumping to the conclusion you are in the same ideological camp as "calamity" and "Logician Man". However, your errors about me are more egregious as I started this OP and my positions on AA are now very fleshed out. Perhaps you were too quick to assume where I was coming from before you posted your comment that completely miscontrued my position of AA?
ecofarm said:
3. I supported my criticism of TD's claim.
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You defense depends on you misconstruing what I believe TD was in fact claiming. Clearly he can tell us whether you or I am correct about what he meant.
ecofarm said:
4. You claim to not know anything or even what's going on.
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Not sure where you got the idea I claimed to not know anything or what is going on. That may be the case for you in this discussion. Have you read my OP? What are you basing those claims on? Be specific, please.
 
calamity said:
You cannot possibly expect anyone to believe that.
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Why would people not believe the truth? Oh you must mean delusional progressive leftists, right? Certainly some of them do struggle mightily differentiating their cult-like fantasies from reality. So if that is what you meant then that may well be true. Of course, that just reinforces why I am here in the first place. And that it is to assist to educate those like yourself who appear so indoctrinated by progressive leftist fantasies you now struggle with the truth.
 
RealityChecker said:
Why would people not believe the truth? Oh you must mean delusional progressive leftists, right? Certainly some of them do struggle mightily differentiating their cult-like fantasies from reality. So if that is what you meant then that may well be true. Of course, that just reinforces why I am here in the first place. And that it is to assist to educate those like yourself who appear so indoctrinated by progressive leftist fantasies you now struggle with the truth.
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lol....doubling down on obvious lies, again. Nice.
 
calamity said:
lol....doubling down on obvious lies, again. Nice.
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You seem who is in touch with reality and whose arguments are such a calamity. The truth can set you free but you first have to accept your devotion to progressive leftist ideology has made grasping reality so challenging for you.
 
ecofarm said:
That's impossibly ignorant and horrifically incorrect. Kinda can't be accidental.
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it is actually true and has never been disproven. Of course your posts have claimed blacks cannot be racist so I discount your arguments as specious
 
calamity said:
Slavery and Jim Crow were not liberal in nature. But, they certainly were conservative Christian. Maybe you should read about it. Lord knows you could use the education on black history and conservative white oppression.
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centralized authoritarianism was perpetrated by the Democrats back then, and right now centralized authoritarianism is still being perpetrated by the Democrats. Lord knows I am far better educated on this subject than your posts indicate you are
 
RealityChecker said:
Perhaps because American born blacks believe the propaganda of the Democrats and others who push critical race theory and deny reality.
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bingo, the disease of lowered expectations has caused much problems
 
Logician Man said:
Not surprisingly, positive claim "most American born blacks are failures" summarily dismissed due to inability to meet Burden of Proof. ( Debating 101 )
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it is hilarious watching you tell us what the "rules of debate" are, yet your posts never meet the standards you seek to demand others follow
 
TurtleDude said:
it is actually true and has never been disproven. Of course your posts have claimed blacks cannot be racist so I discount your arguments as specious
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So my initial reaction to ecofarm that he is yet another delusional leftist was correct?
 
RealityChecker said:
So my initial reaction to ecofarm that he is yet another delusional leftist was correct?
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Actually your initial reaction was to label Eco as a "leftist loser," which is a personal attack and counter productive to "civil debate."
 
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calamity said:
Are you referring to the blacks herded into ghettos after escaping Jim Crow--you know, the ones who came for jobs that no longer exist--or do you maybe mean the black folks still living down in the Jim Crow states who now have their voting rights stripped?

Either way, it looks like you're still pushing Stormfront crap, blaming blacks for their current plight instead of taking ownership of the damage done by whites.
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What a ridiculous thing to say. If your right to vote were taken away it would have no negative impact on your life whatsoever.
 
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