[W:130]Trump Struggles to Master Role of Military Commander

[Casca XV]

I must say, I'm surprised the "Obama created ISIS" card hasn't been played yet...

Well Ya, Bathhouse Berry created ISIS and Slavery in Libya, What is your point?

 

[Casca XV]

This is so ****ing ignorant. Allow me to steal you away from your pathetic altar of Trump worship so that I can embarrass you with historical fact:


- August, 2014: Speaking about U.S. airstrikes on IS in Iraq, Obama declared that "this is going to be a long-term project."

- August, 2014: Kurdish and Iraqi government forces, with the help of those airstrikes, took back the Mosul Dam from IS.

- September, 2014: Obama announced that he would begin to pursue airstrikes in Syria against IS with or without congressional approval.

- October, 2014: The Department of Defense formally established Combined JTF - Operation Inherent Resolve to deal with IS.

- December, 2014: At NATO headquarters in Brussels, diplomats and foreign ministers from 59 countries gathered to plot a way forward against the threat of IS.

- January, 2015: Half of IS' leaders in Iraq and Syria had been killed off; and the US began coordinating airstrikes with a Kurdish launched ground offensive.

- February, 2015: Another 1,300 US troops were deployed to Iraq to advise, increasing the number of US ground troops in Iraq to 4,400.

- February, 2015: Last ISIS stronghold in Aleppo province falls.

- May, 2015: Iraqi/Turkish forces had taken Tikrit, Ramadi, and Tal Abyad back from IS. IS becomes more active to control territory in Syria.

- October, 2015: Iraqi forces regain Iraq's largest oil refinery from IS.

- November, 2015: Kurdish forces regain Sinjar from IS.

- February, 2016: Iraqi forces retake (again) Ramadi from IS.

- June, 2016: Iraqi forces regain Fallujah from IS.

- January, 2017: Donald Trump shows up at the White House.

- July, 2017: The Iraqi Prime Minister, Abadi, formally declared a local Iraqi victory over IS on July 10, 2017 and then declare total control of the Syrian/Iraqi border in December, after three years of airstrikes and ground assaults.


Did you catch all of this inconvenient history or was the facts too threatening to your need to play partisan foolishness?

I'll summarize: In August 2014, IS was targeted in at least Libya, Afghanistan, Cameroon, Somalia, and Yemen. By September of 2014, IS began losing ground in Iraq; and major city footholds began to fall, starting with the Mosul Dam territory. The years-long close-air campaign consisted of U.S., British, Dutch, French, Jordanian, and Moroccan airstrikes. Before Trump took office in January of 2017, IS was reeling and it's occupation in Iraq/Syria had been reduced to near nothing.

He inherited what was already a done deal. By declaring that Trump did this, so that you can show everybody what a loyal subject you are, you actually **** all over the troops who had spent years defeating IS' territorial claims in the air and on the ground.

Ya sure, and Obama deported a record number of Illegal Aliens except when it's explained "Catch and Release" is redefined as "Deported."


Hay Master Sergeant Im guessing there is some "Stolen Valor." Or at best, just a POG overemphasizing what he was.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

But I can't even begin to relate to Trumpers, save for seeing their desire for a change.

They traded their desire for a change about one year and seven months ago, and since then they just want to "stick it to the libtards". Nothing else even matters to them anymore, they just want to see "the libtards" get harpooned.

Even if many of them wind up living in cardboard boxes or the equivalent, as long as they think that the libtards are being pissed on, they'll happily live in their cardboard boxes.
The most disturbing part of this Trump addiction of theirs is, it's 100% free of charge to them, they can get as much as they want, as much as they can take, and it's all for free, it's an addiction and their drug of choice is 100% free of charge, and there's no obligation whatsoever.

Used to be if you could convince the poorest white trash that he was still better than a n****ger, they'd empty their pockets for you and give up everything else.
Now, switch out "poor white trash" and people of color, and replace it with Trumpers and liberals, and you still have the exact same equation. It's just been broadened out to a larger segment of the population and the terms are looser.
It's a better drug to exploit people with because it's a "bigger drug".

 

[MSgt]

Ya sure, and Obama deported a record number of Illegal Aliens except when it's explained "Catch and Release" is redefined as "Deported."

And with eight links providing you irrefutable facts, you still declare to prefer your partisan fantasy for all to see. How pathetic.

Hay Master Sergeant Im guessing there is some "Stolen Valor." Or at best, just a POG overemphasizing what he was.

Even more pathetic. Instead of lashing out so immaturely, dry your tears, and pull your head out of your ass. Trump is not your deity of worship, and he certainly isn't worth your enthusiasm to strip yourself clean of all integrity and common sense.

 

[RetiredUSN]

Trump continues to push the false news that no one has done more for the US military in recent times than Donald Trump. Many veterans I know shake their heads in disbelief. After the political deployment of troops at the US border, after the monumental (no pun intended) presidential **** up in Paris and the following **** up for not making a visit to Arlington National Cemetery because of rain again Trump's flack team decided that a quick visit to the Marine barracks 20 minutes from the White House would make it all better.

Nothing like a surprise ass covering visit from a public official to improve morale among the troops. :lamo Yeah, use them again for a photo op to cover rolling **** ups the President caused only a week before.

And now we hear that the reason President Bone Spurs has never visited troops deployed in a combat zone is not because he is scared ****less, not because it might be raining but because he doesn't support the missions where the troops are deployed!

Here's what President Bone Spurs doesn't know. It is very likely that a majority of troops deployed don't support the mission either. But those people show up. They do it when they hate it. They do it when they are scared. They do it when they are dog tired. They do it when they don't feel well. They do it when it is raining. They do and then they rotate home and they do it again when redeployed.

They do it out of duty and honor, self-respect and out of respect for each other. None of those things - none - are understood or exhibited by their Commander-in-chief.


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90% of them do it because it's a freaking job......period!

You don't have a clue to the attitudes of the average military Joe.

 

[MSgt]

90% of them do it because it's a freaking job......period!

This is true.

But those things,"duty, honor, self-respect, and respect for each other," become a part of the journey, especially for those who go the distance while preaching standards to those underneath.

And he does have a point. The Office of the Honorable President of the United States should at least try to exhibit an understanding of words like integrity and honor.

 

[Divine_Wind]

Don't forget, Trumps Vietnam was dodging STDs in New York.

He also couldn't resist fighting with a Gold Star family.

Why General Mattis hangs around this slimy fat cockroach is beyond me.

Agreed on Trump’s draft-dodging and insults to Gold Star families. Let’s not forget his attack on the war dead and POWs.

As for General Mattis, it’s a judgement call; do you stick around and try to minimize the damage by Fearless Leader or do you leave and let him abuse our troops unopposed? I support Mattis on this.

 

[Divine_Wind]

90% of them do it because it's a freaking job......period!

You don't have a clue to the attitudes of the average military Joe.

It’s hard for me, a fellow retiree, to believe you have such little regard for our men and women in uniform. Yes, some do think of it as just a “job”, but to think “90%” do is just playing into the LW meme that they’re all dumbasses who can’t get “real jobs” and are only one step removed from welfare recipients.

 

[ElChupacabra]

Well Ya, Bathhouse Berry created ISIS and Slavery in Libya, What is your point?

:lamo

mmhmm

 

[Casca XV]

And with eight links providing you irrefutable facts, you still declare to prefer your partisan fantasy for all to see. How pathetic.



Even more pathetic. Instead of lashing out so immaturely, dry your tears, and pull your head out of your ass. Trump is not your deity of worship, and he certainly isn't worth your enthusiasm to strip yourself clean of all integrity and common sense.

Most real Vets are offended seeing that status cheapened.

Mentioning Military/Combat experience in a related discussion is fine.

Reducing it to an avatar in a vane attempt at creditability is a pathetic and in most cases a dishonest act.

Semper Fi

 

[Tangmo]

Probably true. But another thing that is different about him is he hasn’t gotten those men and women into any new, pointless wars. There is still time to go, but that is no small thing for the military either.

Fair point.

Quite honestly, despite his bravado I suspect Trump may be afraid to be in charge of prosecuting a war. I know I'd be!

Kim is mollifying Trump because Kim & Co. know America would unite if Trump sent forces against NK. Pentagon won't let Trump nuke the North and Kim knows this too. Kim is in his full self-preservation mode and he's succeeding. The trend is in his favor. Kim has Trump talking about pulling US forces out of SK where the usual exercises are being either cancelled or scaled back.

CCP Boyz in Beijing support Kim schmoozing with Trump cause it calms things down in the region, to include the South China Sea where Mattis wants to get tough but can't get it past Trump-Kim-Xi. The Boyz have measured back their increased flights and fleets squeezing Taiwan where voters put the pro-independence party in full control of the government for the first time. Beijing knows all of the China guys Trump has want Trump to formally recognize Taiwan's sovereign independence and exchange ambassadors to include placing US forces on Taiwan. Calm is the priority in the region and Kim has secured it.

In Japan where they're mortified about NK missiles it's just not a bad idea that Trump and Kim stole a kiss in Singapore; Kim hasn't fired a missile since (so Trump must be a good kisser).

Iran's scared more by John Bolton than it is by Trump although Trump registers red on the fear scale in Tehran. The ayatollahs know Mattis represents the Pentagon view in spades that Iran is the key to the ME, the Gulf, South Asia, and is a direct menace to Europe/Nato. The bushy beards know Pentagon has had this strongly held view for a hundred years. Pentagon wants Iran back so badly it can taste it so Tehran isn't going to do anything that provides an opening to 'em and it.

Putin fears any actions against the Baltic states would provoke Pentagon. Pentagon would likely front Trump as the defender of right and good to engage Russian forces in whatever form or guise to defend and preserve Europe/Nato/EU. Putin knows Pentagon manipulates Trump. Putin knows the only high mucketey mucks in the world who don't fear Trump are the Pentagon generals, admirals, civilians in charge there, to include John Kelly who's a fly on the WH wall for 'em.

Trump did lose a lot of the troops confidence with his shoot unarmed civilian migrants at the border rules of engagement shot down by Pentagon generals, admirals, civilian chiefs. Keep in mind it's one thing to get an order come down from CinC/Potus but it's quite another thing to have your colonel standing in front of you and your unit saying to ignore it. Which is what would happen. And the colonel would have the company commanders saluting him, to include your company commander. The colonel will win that one every time.

 

[MSgt]

Most real Vets are offended seeing that status cheapened.

Mentioning Military/Combat experience in a related discussion is fine.

Reducing it to an avatar in a vane attempt at creditability is a pathetic and in most cases a dishonest act.

Semper Fi

Oh, don't confuse my maturity on the Internet for being not offended. You sound like Renae or Vancemack, other conservative members here who can't fathom the idea that a Vet doesn't have to be a cliche or a stooge for conservative politics. In the end, you people are simply who you are.

But, you went from making a very stupid statement, to being thoroughly embarrassed for it, to dismissing facts and arbitrarily attacking my career, to now pretending to have some sort of integrity by trying to define how "most" Vets are supposed to react to your childish taunt?

Son, I can tell from your very sophomoric, ignorant, and pathetic posts that you haven't the integrity, the maturity, nor the education to even stand in the same room as me. Do yourself a favor. Since you used Semper Fi, I will assume that you at least did your four years, but no more. Use those four years to re-discover who you at least once pretended to be. After that, find a way out of Trump's asshole and start breathing fresh air.

Semper Fi? Given that Trump denigrated American POWs, avoided a Belleau Wood cemetery visit in Europe, and missed a Veteran's Day service in the U.S. because of phone calls, you are a disgrace.

 

[RetiredUSN]

It’s hard for me, a fellow retiree, to believe you have such little regard for our men and women in uniform. Yes, some do think of it as just a “job”, but to think “90%” do is just playing into the LW meme that they’re all dumbasses who can’t get “real jobs” and are only one step removed from welfare recipients.

LOL....

They enlist for a job, college benefits, or just to get out of a dead end town.

The brainwashed few are who you are talking about.

 

[Tangmo]

I guess you didnt hear but after trump tried to pardon the turkeys, the 9th district court intervened and overruled him. Those turkeys are cooked

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Your turkey flew south to Maralago for the weekend.

Big Birdbrain.

The headline in the OP is overstated btw. Trump can't get the basics right about the military never mind "master the role" of CinC. Trump's got his hands full trying to be a Potus too. All Trump can be is the ventriloquist manequin of the Right.

 

[Born Free]

Trump continues to push the false news that no one has done more for the US military in recent times than Donald Trump.

By comparison what did Obamafail do for our military and the VA over Trump?????

 

[Risky Thicket]

By comparison what did Obamafail do for our military and the VA over Trump?????

This thread isn't about Obama or Hillary. Why don't you start a thread addressing Obama, the military and the VA?

 

[trouble13]

Your turkey flew south to Maralago for the weekend.

Big Birdbrain.

The headline in the OP is overstated btw. Trump can't get the basics right about the military never mind "master the role" of CinC. Trump's got his hands full trying to be a Potus too. All Trump can be is the ventriloquist manequin of the Right.

You know i made a light-hearted joke and you gotta come at me with partisan ranker.

Lets see if your brave enough with your bluster to point it at clinton for bombing an asprin factory or toward obama for thinking he had the authority to close gitmo.

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[trouble13]

This thread isn't about Obama or Hillary. Why don't you start a thread addressing Obama, the military and the VA?

Lol @ you opening the door to comparisson and someone liking you for running away from being challengened on it.

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[Rexedgar]

Lol @ you opening the door to comparisson and someone liking you for running away from being challengened on it.

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I see you haven’t solved your phone issues or your composition really blows......

 

[Tangmo]

You know i made a light-hearted joke and you gotta come at me with partisan ranker.

Lets see if your brave enough with your bluster to point it at clinton for bombing an asprin factory or toward obama for thinking he had the authority to close gitmo.

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You are behaving rather well of late so I decided to start reading your posts again after a long time of not reading 'em. Or even seeing 'em. And you're holding up well under what some might consider could be some possible testing. Light hearted is good so do stay the course thx. I almost always ignore any Clinton (either of 'em) or OB references so let's take it from here.

 

[MSgt]

LOL....

They enlist for a job, college benefits, or just to get out of a dead end town.

The brainwashed few are who you are talking about.

What is wrong with you?

I don’t know if this is the difference in Branch (“job”) or what, but you seem far too pessimistic for a retiree in any Branch. Even in the Air Force, I assume that one does not do twenty years (“retired”) without a clear understanding of honor, a sense of integrity, and ideas of ideological drive for the upcoming leaders who instruct the next.

To be clear, I have no reason to disbelieve who you are; we have clashed before and you show truth. But I am very curious why you would relegate the job to a simple turning of a wrench.

 

[MTAtech]

It looked like Trump struggled to master how to use a speakerphone -- he kept talking in the reciever.

 

[Born Free]

This thread isn't about Obama or Hillary. Why don't you start a thread addressing Obama, the military and the VA?

Having a comparison of achievement from one president to another is an excellent measure. In this case Obama vs Trump. I ask again what has Obama done for our Military and the VA over Trump?

 

[RetiredUSN]

What is wrong with you?

I don’t know if this is the difference in Branch (“job”) or what, but you seem far too pessimistic for a retiree in any Branch. Even in the Air Force, I assume that one does not do twenty years (“retired”) without a clear understanding of honor, a sense of integrity, and ideas of ideological drive for the upcoming leaders who instruct the next.

To be clear, I have no reason to disbelieve who you are; we have clashed before and you show truth. But I am very curious why you would relegate the job to a simple turning of a wrench.

I am a broken down old Engine-man First Class (Surface Warfare) who has been to enough ****holes that we should have never been sent to in the first place.

Somalia and Panama were my eye openers, and Iraq was the final straw............and my departure from the GOP.

Maybe 5% of the sailors I served with did so out of patriotism. It's a myth that a majority of service people are pom pom and flag wavers.

 

[Logician Man]

Well Ya, Bathhouse Berry created ISIS and Slavery in Libya, What is your point?

:screwy