[W:1296] PUTIN FEARS COUP Russian tanks in Moscow to ‘secure Kremlin’ as cowering Putin fears Wagner group are launching coup to overthrow him

[Conservative]

Doesn't he?

Ask him to condemn Putin's genocidal war of aggression.

He can't do it. He literally and physically cannot do it.

Do you understand the difference between what is happening in Russia vs the January 6 issue in this country? That is the issue that you want to ignore

 

[watsup]

Doesn't he?

Ask him to condemn Putin's genocidal war of aggression.

He can't do it. He literally and physically cannot do it.

Putin loves him.

 

[iguanaman]

So you are comparing January 6 vs the coup in Russia? that is why you have zero credibility. Your hatred of the private sector, Trump and his policies are what destroys democracies but that is beyond your ability to comprehend,

The Jan. 6th coup was to overthrow our democracy. That is totally different than Russian mercenaries attacking the Russian Govt. January 6th was a test of the strength of our democracy, this is a test of a dictator's power over his own forces. Russia is weaker because of events the U.S is stronger as we use the rule of law to punish those that wished to destroy us.

 

[Juin]

I didn't.

Someone stole your keyboard ?

You must be so used to getting mocked, you don't see the difference.

You have been a victim of mockery ?

 

[craig]

Seeing as he’s one of the richest people on the planet, that would be nice

What is his salary?

 

[Tangmo]

Yes the private sector which really bothers you for in your fantasy world there are no consequences for poor personal choices also no rewards

So you believe just like you believe that 38% of the American people are wrong about your ideology. Facts don't exist in your world which is why you never offer any

Did I mention Trump said to "terminate" the Constitution?

Trump said this after his 2022 midterm candidates for state offices in key swing states got shut out. None of 'em won which means Trump and You MAGAs can't try any longer to use and exploit democracy to destroy democracy from within. Not in that way anyway.

The exasperated Trump lashed out, saying to "terminate" the Constitution so he could regain office by authoritarian means that are also un-Constitutional and anti-Constitutional.

Your Guy Trump.

Indeed, your "conservative" stuff became passe' and oblivious long ago. Which is why you'll never get me to argue with it. There's just no there there for me to argue against. The world has passed you by in your petrified politics.

 

[MTAtech]

Has anyone considered that this could possibly be a ploy/diversion, to draw the Ukrainian's out into the light, under a false sense of security, (what with the Russians fighting among themselves and all) and then Wagner splits his forces down the middle, double-backs left, double-backs right, comes back up from behind and surrounds the Ukrainian forces, like a Zulu warrior, forming a fortified perimeter, trapping the Ukrainians from any egress and blocking supplies and support, while the Russians goes full bore apeshit on the Ukrainian forces in the bubble.

It's a gummy-bear day....

Point being. Yeah. We can't trust anything coming from those two. They may actually be working in tandem.

The Russians are masters of propaganda and I can't imagine them allowing a narrative that even suggests they have any weaknesses whatsover. If they are looking worried or scared, it's because they WANT to make you believe they are worried or scared. They cannot be trusted.

The Ukrainians are using chaos to their advantage.

 

[craig]

Do you understand the difference between what is happening in Russia vs the January 6 issue in this country? That is the issue that you want to ignore

 

[Galactic Spin]

Someone stole your keyboard ?





You have been a victim of mockery ?

Oh boy, someone has regressed to toddler mode. See you when you get back.

 

[soap box]

That's what I think. This was a set up between Putin and The Cook to get rid of the MoD leaders and their cronies. Nothing else makes sense.
The Cook gets Belarus as payment.

That's as good a theory as any because the deal they made doesn't make sense. There must be something significant about the deal that we don't know. For both Putin and Prigo, the high rhetoric from last night has been suddenly replaced by forgiveness.

What? What kind of ruthless Russian authoritarian is into forgiveness?!?!!?! Answer: A weak Russian leader who isn't completely in control of his country.

Russian troops allowed the rebels to pass through the border, they captured the city of Rostov last night without firing a shot. Civilians cheered them on, and still with all that momentum, they didn't stall or reposition, but they retreated.

The motivation to forgive the rebels is hard to accept, since we are trusting Putin to keep his word. It's hard for me to believe they will trust him.

The motivation to suddenly stop the campaign isn't clear either.

So at the moment we don't have the whole story, and what we do know raises lots of questions.

 

[Conservative]

The Jan. 6th coup was to overthrow our democracy. That is totally different than Russian mercenaries attacking the Russian Govt. January 6th was a test of the strength of our democracy, this is a test of a dictator's power over his own forces. Russia is weaker because of events the U.S is stronger as we use the rule of law to punish those that wished to destroy us.

Welcome back showing your partisanship and ignorance, there is no comparison

 

[soap box]

Don't know nor do I care, the comparison has gone right over your head. That was a coup attempt and what happened on January 6 were a bunch of idiots protesting at the Capitol apparently unlike those protesting in blue cities all over the nation burning personal property and taking lives

oh my mistake, I didn't mean to post that here . I thought this thread was about Ukraine and Russia. Sorry for the inconvenience.

But since you're here, let me ask you if you think Prigo will still be alive next week, and is this episode a turning point in the war?

 

[soap box]

Do you understand the difference between what is happening in Russia vs the January 6 issue in this country? That is the issue that you want to ignore

Oh I see, you were asking me that same thing. Ok the Russian coup wasn't a coup because it wasn't successful. Isn't that what you said about J6?

 

[Tangmo]

So what? Want me to post Obama, Biden, and Clinton statements? No President can terminate the Constitution, why do you continue to listen to rhetoric and ignore policies and results.

De Nile isn't only a river in Egypt.

It runs through your every post too.

To include being a namedropper of falsities.

The only other American president to say to "terminate" the Constitution was Jefferson Davis of the CSA and he ended up in prison. If you were around then you would have brought him cakes I'm sure. Trump though will insist on double triple stack cheeseburgers. You'll be having your hands full so Trump can have his mouth full.

Trump is going to jail and I'm not.

 

[iguanaman]

Normal people pay attention to their cost of living, their bank accounts, situations in their city and state, not in fantasy world in which apparently you live. You don't speak for intelligent people

So it is your contention that most Americans do not care if our govt. is overthrown and an authoritarian dictatorship takes its place? I pray you are wrong. I think that may be true of you but not the majority.

 

[Jetboogieman]

So what?

This is you betraying your own country.

Nothing new.

You’ve never supported your own country, just a fictional version of it that never existed.

You've never cared and this thread isn’t about your Trump support bullshit.

 

[Jredbaron96]

It's still difficult to wrap my head around the events of the past 48 hours.

The political fragility of the Russian Federation put on full display for the world to see, Putin's flight in the face of the Wagner advance, and the fact that it was Belarus that stepped in to negotiate an agreement raise all sorts of questions.

Like how long post-Putin Russia will last.

 

[iguanaman]

Welcome back showing your partisanship and ignorance, there is no comparison

You seem to always use projection in your responses. There is no one on this board more partisan than you. Actually you only care about one thing and that is how much you pay in taxes. Nothing else matters to you.

 

[iguanaman]

It's still difficult to wrap my head around the events of the past 48 hours.

The political fragility of the Russian Federation put on full display for the world to see, Putin's flight in the face of the Wagner advance, and the fact that it was Belarus that stepped in to negotiate an agreement raise all sorts of questions.

Like how long post-Putin Russia will last.

It is still very unclear what this "deal" really was and what Pregozhin is going to do in Belarus. Is there going to be a shake up at the top of the military? That seemed to be his biggest beef. The fact the Putin went before the entire country and said Pregozhin was a traitor and now he is pardoned is very strange to me.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

To be consistent you would have been pro-Vietnam, Period.

Consistent in what, bullshit rhetoric?

 

[Winston]

It's still difficult to wrap my head around the events of the past 48 hours.

The political fragility of the Russian Federation put on full display for the world to see, Putin's flight in the face of the Wagner advance, and the fact that it was Belarus that stepped in to negotiate an agreement raise all sorts of questions.

Like how long post-Putin Russia will last.

I won’t pretend to be an expert on palace intrigue inside Russia. But, this can’t be the end of it.

Prigozhin is exiled? I heard someone say that but, have no confirmation.

It would make the most sense. You can’t just go back to “business as usual” after an attempted coup. (Unless you’re Mitch McConnell and Kevin McCarthy that is.)

Putin’s regime has been exposed as basically yours for the taking. If you can muster up an army and the will.

 

[Jetboogieman]

It's still difficult to wrap my head around the events of the past 48 hours.

The political fragility of the Russian Federation put on full display for the world to see, Putin's flight in the face of the Wagner advance, and the fact that it was Belarus that stepped in to negotiate an agreement raise all sorts of questions.

Like how long post-Putin Russia will last.

Politically this puts Putin in an impossible position, especially because someone could do something like this and get away with it (at least for now, Wagner Guy should probably hire a food checker) and that it was Belarus that brokered this deal…

Putin looks very weak.

It'll be interest to see how the next week progresses.

 

[Bum]

It is still very unclear what this "deal" really was and what Pregozhin is going to do in Belarus. Is there going to be a shake up at the top of the military? That seemed to be his biggest beef. The fact the Putin went before the entire country and said Pregozhin was a traitor and now he is pardoned is very strange to me.

When you are in a position of weakness, you try to appear magnanimous...its posturing.

 

[reinaert]

bravado is the last move for a dead man's miscalculation. Huff and puff out your chest.. see the brave one get mowed down.
When it comes to nukes the wise move is caution..why you aint so wise

You need this to be personal. I just think it'd be great if Russia gets knocked back, Putin meets a deserved fate, and Ukraine push the Russian army out of Ukraine.

 

[Schrott]

That's as good a theory as any because the deal they made doesn't make sense. There must be something significant about the deal that we don't know. For both Putin and Prigo, the high rhetoric from last night has been suddenly replaced by forgiveness.

What? What kind of ruthless Russian authoritarian is into forgiveness?!?!!?! Answer: A weak Russian leader who isn't completely in control of his country.

Russian troops allowed the rebels to pass through the border, they captured the city of Rostov last night without firing a shot. Civilians cheered them on, and still with all that momentum, they didn't stall or reposition, but they retreated.

The motivation to forgive the rebels is hard to accept, since we are trusting Putin to keep his word. It's hard for me to believe they will trust him.

The motivation to suddenly stop the campaign isn't clear either.

So at the moment we don't have the whole story, and what we do know raises lots of questions.

Because everything that happened in the last 36 hours makes no sense, I think Putin and his friend had planned it that way.
Luka coming in and spreading magic and ending that thing, please, that was overdoing it and then The Cook retiring in Belarus and living happily, please, without Putin going to kill him.
Sorry this shiit does not compute.
In a Putin dictatorship there can only be One. Anybody who challenges Putin has to go to prison or gets killed. This was all about the so powerful Russian Military Leadership, which was untouchable, they even could fook up the war without getting removed.
All staged.