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[W:110] Was dying on the Cross necessary or a random method chosen by God ?

That's a lot of drama to make that point. He could have just said so.
He did. But people get comfortable in their traditions and animal sacrifice is not something he asked for in the first place. It is probably a carryover from pagan religions.
 
Okay but then you are in the stupid corner, you are saying there can't be any sin becuse sin is what God doesn't want and yet 'it was God's fault and He let it happen"
See, This is what we call competing premises. EIther God gets full blame and there is no sin (by definition) and then you have no point at which to criticize
OR
There is really such a thing as sin , what God does not want but allows.

And finally you made the famous mistake every showoff makes , and St Augustine catches you
You say this is impossible but how can you if God controls everything :)

“For the Almighty God, Who, as even the heathen acknowledge, has supreme power over all things, being Himself supremely good, would never permit the existence of anything evil among His works, if He were not so omnipotent and good that He can bring good even out of evil.” ST AUKGUSTINE

GOTCHA GOOD (or rather St A did)
Your personal attack aside, if we assume God created everything with full foreknowledge, as is often attributed to him, then God created an imperfect scenario with the deck stacked against A&E knowing full well what would happen, oy to blame them when it does. So yes, it's all God's fault. After all, the buck stops with god.
 
…if we assume God created everything with full foreknowledge, as is often attributed to him, then God created an imperfect scenario with the deck stacked against A&E knowing full well what would happen, oy to blame them when it does. So yes, it's all God's fault. After all, the buck stops with god.
An understanding of probable outcomes can give the appearance of foreknowledge in hindsight.
 
An understanding of probable outcomes can give the appearance of foreknowledge in hindsight.
But if God is omniscient, then there is no probable. Only absolutes.
 
But if God is omniscient, then there is no probable. Only absolutes.
There are no absolutes. Though it can seem that way if your understanding of probability is such that you turn out to be correct most or all of the time in your predictions.
 
He did. But people get comfortable in their traditions and animal sacrifice is not something he asked for in the first place. It is probably a carryover from pagan religions.
So he felt he had to get himself crucified to get them to stop? Why was it so important? I mean did humanity have no other pressing problems or issues with which it was grappling?
 
I am not even sure how it's any kind of sacrifice for your son to "die" but then get up again after a few days. That's more like a long nap.
The sacrifice was the flesh. Jesus gave up the flesh for the spiritual body.

1 Corinthian
15:42 -45

42So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 45And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

That's a far cry from the anguish of a real human father who knows they will never see their child again when the child really dies.

The whole story just doesn't make any sense.
 
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But this story just doesn't make any sense at all. It's almost like saying that for God to not throw you into eternal helffire, you have to rub your belly and tap your head at the same time, while singing "supercalifragilisticexbealidocious", because God has no other way to spare you from hellfire.
The message is less one about personal salvation and more about what each of us can and should do to encourage others to seek salvation. That is why the passion, crucifixion, death and resurrection are necessary. It is this process that passes the requirement to spread God's word, to LIVE God's word, from Christ to man. It is the process by which we perpetuate a MEANINGFUL eternity.
 
The message is less one about personal salvation and more about what each of us can and should do to encourage others to seek salvation. That is why the passion, crucifixion, death and resurrection are necessary. It is this process that passes the requirement to spread God's word, to LIVE God's word, from Christ to man. It is the process by which we perpetuate a MEANINGFUL eternity.
But the reasons and suggested ways of going about this supposed salvation just seem very odd and idiosyncratic. Might as well say that you have to tap your head and rub your belly at the same time while singing "Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious", because some woman you never met once ate an apple they weren't supposed to.

It mean just seems surreal. I mean we got lots of very real, serious, and pressing problems here are on Earth. It seems strange to think that none of that really matters and THIS is what is really important.
 
But the reasons and suggested ways of going about this supposed salvation just seem very odd and idiosyncratic. Might as well say that you have to tap your head and rub your belly at the same time while singing "Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious", because some woman you never met once ate an apple they weren't supposed to.

It mean just seems surreal. I mean we got lots of very real, serious, and pressing problems here are on Earth. It seems strange to think that none of that really matters and THIS is what is really important.
"This", as you put it, covers all the "oddities" you perceive. The Word of God is applicable to everything that was, everything that is and everything that will come. It's a message that teaches us that we can recover from any struggle, save the struggle of denying God and all that he has created.
 
There are no absolutes. Though it can seem that way if your understanding of probability is such that you turn out to be correct most or all of the time in your predictions.
If God is omnipotent and omniscient, then God is absolute in his ability and knowledge, as God is often described. Is it your contention God is not omnipotent or omniscient?
 
If God is omnipotent and omniscient, then God is absolute in his ability and knowledge, as God is often described. Is it your contention God is not omnipotent or omniscient?
Omnipotent? Perhaps. Omniscient? Not in any literal sense.
 
So who would be correct? It seems like some would place limits on God's abilities.
One only needs to read the source material. The God of the Torah doesn’t claim to be omnipotent or omniscient or even the only deity. Quite the opposite is implied and Judaism was polytheistic until at least the Babylonian captivity.
 
One only needs to read the source material. The God of the Torah doesn’t claim to be omnipotent or omniscient or even the only deity. Quite the opposite is implied.
Others read and interpret scripture to support their position too.
 
So
See post #70. What makes you right and others wrong and vice versa?
The plain text itself. There’s no interpretation required in what I’m pointing out. The God of the Torah never claimed to be omnipotent, omniscient, or the only deity and the Israelites were polytheistic at least until after the Babylonian captivity.

As it relates to matters that do require interpretation - it’s no different than what scientists do when there is disagreement about how data should be interpreted.
 
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Yes. Different sides claim they're right. Clearly that cannot be the case.
What's it matter to you? It certainly doesn't matter to me.
 
So who would be correct? It seems like some would place limits on God's abilities.
God’s moral standards/qualities in no way sets limitations on Him...
 
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