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[W: #105] [#181] Ten killed in shooting near LA after Lunar New Year event

jaypatriot said:
Is this from a Limey cousin telling us it's OK for gangs to shoot at each other (ignore collateral damage) because they don't intentionally shoot at innocents or police?
That makes it better? Gang bangers killing each is OK? It's not really murder, it's "mutual combat" as the idiot Chicago mayor told everyone.
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All you need to do is watch the 5 minutes of the video around where I mentioned and then read my post.

Simple really.
 
Maidenrules29 said:
Without outright bans or confiscations, what more realistic laws could be added that aren't already on the books?
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This 👆 is what I always ask.

I'd like to see the current laws much better and consistently enforced. There are several mass shootings/murders where the ball was dropped, esp. in the areas of background checks not being linked, like for military, state, etc.
 
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Mongidig said:
Of course it does.
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I lean towards this:

"Freedom doesn't mean safe, it means free."

IMO that means people need to step up and take responsibility for their lives, including safety. To expect the govt to do so, which IMO is impossible, is to expose yourself and family even more to the risks that always exist and are always being planned. Individuals need to be prepared to fill in the gaps...generally human behavior...where govt cannot.
 
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Mongidig said:
If we really wanted to we could ban drugs and prevent criminals from selling them. We obviously don’t care enough. We can spend billions helping Ukraine but not billions to take aggressive actions against drug dealers.
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Yeah, you could stop a very lucrative trade from happening. Sure. Supply and demand is more of a suggestion than a law.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Think of how much worse this would’ve been if the killer used a gun with a thumb hole stock or bayonet stud
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You're mucking up your NRA whines. Betting a nickel you never earned a nickel carrying an M-16a1. The correct whine is pistol grip and bayonet lug.... :rolleyes:

Thumbhole stocks were the work around for military style semi rifles... ✌️
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Yep, freedom causes (or at least facilitates) crime.
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Yes, several times a year we remind our crazy cousins in countries like ours how much more free we are.
 
Nickyjo said:
Yes, several times a year we remind our crazy cousins in countries like ours how much more free we are.
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Yeah, that's not so polite of us. But of course, we are free to be impolite.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Yep, but not newly made, really scary looking, ones. ;)
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I know if you remove the bayonet lug and flash suppressor, I'm much more comforted that it can't be used for ill.
 
RF667799 said:
I know if you remove the bayonet lug and flash suppressor, I'm much more comforted that it can't be used for ill.
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Absolutely, since those accessories make the, otherwise normal, semi-auto rifle super deadly and much more appealing to criminals. ;)
 
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Infinite Chaos said:
Not very well I guess, who is going to go collect the guns that aren't registered? I wish Illinois well but while most other cultures have removed the inalienable right to bear arms - only Mexico / Guatemala and the USA have kept it going. 200 years from now, you'll still be killing each other regularly but I'm willing to put money on Mexico and Guatemala having moved beyond this.



As I posted for Josie earlier, we have gangs with guns here but they shoot each other regularly. They don't go out shooting innocents / police etc regularly.

13:30 onwards but I enjoyed the whole video (not because the ex firearms officer looks like me)

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Illinois is the 9th state to do this.
 
You can hope that you're not going to be one of the statistics, and try to avoid taking risks.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
It won't stop a determined individual, just as an almost complete ban doesn't stop gun violence in the UK. However I wouldn't argue that every mass shooter in the USA was a madman, would you? A healthy respect and understanding of what guns can do to the body will deter some.
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Mass shootings are almost always the killing of random people. I do think you have to have something mentally wrong with you to want to kill a bunch of people. You don't? Which mass shooters do you think don't/didn't have mental issues?
Infinite Chaos said:
I won't ask you to watch the whole 55 minutes but he runs one of my favourite gun discussion channels as an American - the UK ex policeman talks about why gun violence still happens in the UK but those likely to do it don't target innocent or police. The violence is against each other largely.
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Gun violence in the US is mostly not toward innocents or police either.
Infinite Chaos said:
Have you ever asked yourself why this isn't the case in the USA? Why gun violence has gone beyond criminals shooting each other to people walking into nightclubs / hotels / schools and just opening fire on innocents?
Does that not make you wonder why?
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Well, yes. We wonder why every time it happens. I'm a teacher. Some of my kiddos have grown up in abusive families. It's a learned behavior.

I also have some students who have grown up in families where hunting is normal thing for a kid to learn. They are trained to use a weapon safely and shoot an animal correctly.

Mass shooters aren't just kids who grew up in homes where guns are --- they're kids who have grown up in homes were abuse is (usually).
Infinite Chaos said:
Again, it's not quite as simple as you make out otherwise Wallmart wouldn't have said this "Additionally, we require that customers pass a background check, despite federal law allowing firearms to be sold after a three-day waiting period even if approval isn’t received."

corporate.walmart.com

What is Walmart doing to guarantee responsible firearm sales?

We care deeply about the responsible sale and regulation of firearms, and we know this is also an important issue to our customers.
corporate.walmart.com corporate.walmart.com
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I don't know anything about that. Sounds like a bad idea to me.
Infinite Chaos said:
You must have missed where I said "or."
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We said the same thing, then. In terms of mental illness, you cannot legally purchase a firearm if you've been deemed "mentally defective". It's not "open to interpretation" with NICS.
Infinite Chaos said:
Firstly quite a few of those mass shootings at schools here were ex students. Our angry school leavers come and try to burn the schools down: yours come back and commit mass murder.
Secondly: high security is a lower price than dead students or 6 year old kids shooting their primary school teacher in the face.
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Agreed. I wish we had better security at our school.
Infinite Chaos said:
This really isn't (on a world wide scale) a left right issue. Even in the USA, left wing groups are starting to argue that if right wingers have rifles and guns then so should they. You're back to more guns to solve gun violence.
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Where have I said "more guns will solve gun violence"? Please quote it.
Infinite Chaos said:
We've had mass murder here too, truck bombers and Jihadis using trucks as weapons. Point is - it's much harder for someone to commit mass murder that way and things can be done to make it even harder next time.
The more guns / laissez faire approach in the USA has not actually done anything has it? Your deaths per 100,000 is still higher than it should be.
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The laissez faire approach in the US is toward these violent people. Stop letting them out of prison, stop sweeping it under the rug, stop pretending they're just joking, stop assuming they'll get better on their own. If you have 5 normally-developing 20-year-old men from families where abuse never happened, drugs weren't used, they were taken care of and loved and you put those 5 kids in a room with 100 guns, how many do you think will steal one to go murder a bunch of movie goers or first graders? Now replace those 5 kids with 20 year-old men who had extremely rough childhoods, head trauma, abuse, drugs, abandonment, bullying, mental illness and put them in a room with just 5 guns. It's not the number of weapons. It's the people who can get to those weapons. Those people need to be helped. Those people need intense psychiatric care. Those people need to be removed from society, if necessary.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Nope, more likely pointing out that criminals, by definition, willingly violate laws. Those who see “gun control” laws as being ‘special’ laws, which even homicidal criminals would surely obey, are simply kidding themselves.
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Odd how they work everywhere but the USA,
 
this slaughter is horrific. but why do we not talk about the husband in Alabama who gunned down his own wife and their two kids three days ago. THAT IS EVIL!!!!

Jamie and Jessica Lepore


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CaughtInThe said:
this slaughter is horrific. but why do we not talk about the husband in Alabama who gunned down his own wife and their two kids three days ago. THAT IS EVIL!!!!

Jamie and Jessica Lepore


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I didn't see a thread. Did you start one?
 
SkyFox76 said:
I didn't see a thread. Did you start one?
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a dad shooting his wife and kids isn't national news anymore. otherwise we'd have argued about it for days.

and that's the most sickening thing about our country.
 
CaughtInThe said:
a dad shooting his wife and kids isn't national news anymore. otherwise we'd have argued about it for days.

and that's the most sickening thing about our country.
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So you didn't start a thread then. And I can promise you it wouldn't have been argued for days because every single shooting thread quickly gets ushered off to the same nonsense about anti gun/pro gun, left/right crap.

When I came to read this thread I went four pages and outside of the OP there was nothing related to the actual shooting. The swat standoff thread at least made it 3 pages before it also turned into the same thing.
 
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