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Voter fraud = right wing myth.

WCH said:
Read it and weep...and it come from your heros at the NYTimes,

How Johnson Won Election He'd Lost - NYTimes.com

Dead people, the insane, felons, illegals, Micky mouse, the offensive line of the Dallas Cowboys... you name it.

Dems cheat to win because the have no qualms about morality or ethics.
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All of it rare to the point of non existant and you know it. None of this was ever in the news and was never proven. Nice try.
 
James D Hill said:
Give me a freaking break. Young voters and inner city minorities who do not drive do not have legal ID unless you took SS cards or student cards. Older voters do not always have ID either. It hurts democratic voters the the GOP knows it.
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Perhaps getting them inner city minorities ID's would be a wonderful first step in getting them a job? How do older voters get their SS?

I'll admit it will hurt democrats who have a tendency to swindle. It can be nothing but beneficial for democratic voters.
 
ChezC3 said:
Perhaps getting them inner city minorities ID's would be a wonderful first step in getting them a job? How do older voters get their SS?

I'll admit it will hurt democrats who have a tendency to swindle. It can be nothing but beneficial for democratic voters.
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Voter fraud is rare. I agree they should have an ID but not to vote. Screw the stupid rednecks.
 
ChezC3 said:
Perhaps getting them inner city minorities ID's would be a wonderful first step in getting them a job? How do older voters get their SS?

I'll admit it will hurt democrats who have a tendency to swindle. It can be nothing but beneficial for democratic voters.
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Do you call what the governer of Virgina did swindling? What about Nixon? Right wingers are crooks too my friend. Voter fraud is a red herring and you know it.
 
James D Hill said:
How is it logical to rail against a crime that does not exist? Your stupid ideas are a no go.
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Just because, playing along with your fantasies, a criminal act is rare does not make the crime itself non-existent. Voter fraud can and does happen. THe system, as it is, is woefully unequipped to catch offenders. Saying that voter fraud "doesn't exist" in consideration of the system in place is like saying a city's crime doesn't exist when all the police officers are blind, deaf, and dumb, having no capacity to catch criminals if they wanted to.

Now, if you were arguing against people who wanted to institute policy to prevent people from murdering minataur-unicorn hybrids, I'd give your "crime that does not exist" argument more weight.
 
TheNextEra said:
Then get that part into law before requiring IDs. So far there are many laws that try to make IDs mandatory, but none that say the state will pay for them.

That has been my problem from the get-go on voter IDs. I'm all for it as long as the state pays for the IDs. So far no laws for it are in the works, but there are for requiring IDs.
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Virginia Voter ID is issued by the state at no cost. You register and one ID card comes in the mail to the address you gave. No card, no vote.
 
James D Hill said:
Young voters,inner city voters and the elderly do not all drive. They might have photo ID but not legal ID. Other that senior's they almost all vote liberal.
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They now have a good reason to get one - welcome to earth, third rock from the sun. ;)
 
ttwtt78640 said:
They now have a good reason to get one - welcome to earth, third rock from the sun. ;)
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Why when voter fraud is so freaking rare? Why even worry about something that is not really a problem. The voters it would hurt is a far greater number that fraud. I know conservatives love to have a boogyman and if they don't they make one up.
 
James D Hill said:
Why when voter fraud is so freaking rare? Why even worry about something that is not really a problem. The voters it would hurt is a far greater number that fraud. I know conservatives love to have a boogyman and if they don't they make one up.
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If voter fraud were so rare why is one party so apoplectic over showing an ID?
 
James D Hill said:
Give me a freaking break. Young voters and inner city minorities who do not drive do not have legal ID unless you took SS cards or student cards. Older voters do not always have ID either. It hurts democratic voters the the GOP knows it.
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I'm curious.

One of the big angles of Obamacare is the creation of a central medical data base that can be used by medical professionals anywhere to access a patients medical history.

Given the critical nature of this information, and the need for almost perfection in order to avoid misdiagnosis or improper perscription applications, do you think the poor and struggling masses will not be required to provide some form of legitimate identification when accessing Obamacare benefits?

If you think they will need to provide some form of legitimate identification, why can't they do it now?
 
James D Hill said:
Do you call what the governer of Virgina did swindling? What about Nixon? Right wingers are crooks too my friend. Voter fraud is a red herring and you know it.
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Which is why I haven't voted GOP since 2004
 
James D Hill said:
Voter fraud is rare. I agree they should have an ID but not to vote. Screw the stupid rednecks.
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Catching it is rare, how much and by who is unknown. The Dems doth protest too much me thinks...
 
James D Hill said:
Voter fraud is rare. I agree they should have an ID but not to vote. Screw the stupid rednecks.
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Do you feel that a person should show an ID to buy a guy? (A right assured by the 2nd Amendment)
Do you feel that a person should show an ID prior to benefitting from the data base of the Affordable Care Act? (Healthcare is a right, or so I have been told)

I am for Voter ID Laws, until such a time that it is proven to be worthless. I will say that some of the laws are written in such a way that they limit the types of ID accepted. Those, are a different story.

Oh, and please, stop with the name calling. Extremists that resort to yelling and name calling lose the argument before it really gets off the ground.
 
James D Hill said:
Give me a freaking break. Young voters and inner city minorities who do not drive do not have legal ID unless you took SS cards or student cards. Older voters do not always have ID either. It hurts democratic voters the the GOP knows it.
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And what are YOU prepared to do about it? The SCOTUS CORRUPTUS has spoken and no amount of intervention by Holder can stop them. Instead of registering Dem voters in 2010, many in the LGBT community simply didn't vote since they couldn't get all they wanted.
 
ChezC3 said:
Catching it is rare, how much and by who is unknown. The Dems doth protest too much me thinks...
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You know it's funny watching the people on the right support government intrusion when there isn't PROOF that it is needed. So, by that same logic you are using, there could be UNKNOWN terrorists out there plotting against the U.S. so the government stepping in and "saving" everyone by intrusion (aka NSA, frisking, etc) is ok to you as well. I mean, it's unknown right? gimme a break.
 
TheNextEra said:
You know it's funny watching the people on the right support government intrusion when there isn't PROOF that it is needed. So, by that same logic you are using, there could be UNKNOWN terrorists out there plotting against the U.S. so the government stepping in and "saving" everyone by intrusion (aka NSA, frisking, etc) is ok to you as well. I mean, it's unknown right? gimme a break.
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Requiring a voter to prove who they are is NOT government intrusion. I called my auto insurance company yesterday. I had to prove them that I was who I claimed to be.
 
TheNextEra said:
You know it's funny watching the people on the right support government intrusion when there isn't PROOF that it is needed. So, by that same logic you are using, there could be UNKNOWN terrorists out there plotting against the U.S. so the government stepping in and "saving" everyone by intrusion (aka NSA, frisking, etc) is ok to you as well. I mean, it's unknown right? gimme a break.
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Lol, government intrusion. We also want people to only vote once, that has to be government oppression by your standards huh.
 
Only you can't and never will be able to be prove fraud. It is NOT and Never has been about voter ID. Repup govs admit this. While we're at it, let's just go with fingerprinting and be done with it. Is this hack-proof?
Truckstop said:
Lol, government intrusion. We also want people to only vote once, that has to be government oppression by your standards huh.
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ChezC3 said:
Catching it is rare, how much and by who is unknown. The Dems doth protest too much me thinks...
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You aren't getting it. It is a made up problem. You want to deny people their rights so you can stop a problem that doesn't even exist. You can make the ridiculous argument that they "just haven't been caught" but WTF are we supposed to do with that?! Are we allowed to make any claim we want and when we can't offer evidence to support it just say...."well it's happening I just have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to support my claim" but it's happening. Pardon me if I don't just take your word for it.
 
gmeyers1944 said:
Requiring a voter to prove who they are is NOT government intrusion. I called my auto insurance company yesterday. I had to prove them that I was who I claimed to be.
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Saving people from terrorists attacks, only you wouldn't want the government to help. Again, gimme a break. You like government intrusion, we get it.
 
TheNextEra said:
You know it's funny watching the people on the right support government intrusion when there isn't PROOF that it is needed. So, by that same logic you are using, there could be UNKNOWN terrorists out there plotting against the U.S. so the government stepping in and "saving" everyone by intrusion (aka NSA, frisking, etc) is ok to you as well. I mean, it's unknown right? gimme a break.
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No, and the comparison is a false one. Seeking that someone shows an ID which is needed by virtually every member of society for virtually every facet of life which proves that you do in fact reside where you reside, are in fact a citizen, and are precisely who you say you are has absolutely nothing to do with an over-reaching intrusion into personal correspondence or random stop searches. I mean give ME a break...
 
opendebate said:
You aren't getting it. It is a made up problem. You want to deny people their rights so you can stop a problem that doesn't even exist. You can make the ridiculous argument that they "just haven't been caught" but WTF are we supposed to do with that?! Are we allowed to make any claim we want and when we can't offer evidence to support it just say...."well it's happening I just have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to support my claim" but it's happening. Pardon me if I don't just take your word for it.
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you're not getting it, and you can make the ridiculous argument that it doesn't exist when we know full well that it does, what, did you think after Tammany Hall, after Daley, that voter fraud just up and stopped? So before you go getting all ignorant with someone stop and think about these things and ask yourself why oh why does the Dems want to fight something tooth and nail which will put money into government coffers if nothing else, like Dems have EVER turned down a chance to squeeze another dime out of us...
 
ChezC3 said:
No, and the comparison is a false one. Seeking that someone shows an ID which is needed by virtually every member of society for virtually every facet of life which proves that you do in fact reside where you reside, are in fact a citizen, and are precisely who you say you are has absolutely nothing to do with an over-reaching intrusion into personal correspondence or random stop searches. I mean give ME a break...
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You are getting too caught up in the idea of Voter ID and not considering the impact it has on voters rights as the laws are currently written. Unless you have services in place to keep the legal voters from being caught in the net it simply is not worth it. Not to mention the costs involved.
 
ChezC3 said:
you're not getting it, and you can make the ridiculous argument that it doesn't exist when we know full well that it does, what, did you think after Tammany Hall, after Daley, that voter fraud just up and stopped? So before you go getting all ignorant with someone stop and think about these things and ask yourself why oh why does the Dems want to fight something tooth and nail which will put money into government coffers if nothing else, like Dems have EVER turned down a chance to squeeze another dime out of us...
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If you want to deprive citizens of their right to vote you better have real evidence and not just paranoid suspicion and GOP hot air.
 
opendebate said:
You are getting too caught up in the idea of Voter ID and not considering the impact it has on voters rights as the laws are currently written. Unless you have services in place to keep the legal voters from being caught in the net it simply is not worth it. Not to mention the costs involved.
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There is no cost. To the government. To the individual, they're suppose to have one regardless. Them not and doing any number of things is them skirting laws on a whole spectrum of issues.

Riddle me this one. If these poor, oppressed, down-trodden, transportation deficient individuals can't procure for themselves an ID how the hell are they getting to the polls? How the hell did they register to vote in the first place?
 
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