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Stace said:
I didn't say they didn't have access to the news...I said they don't have the time to keep up with it....I'm sure they're more concerned with, oh, maybe being entertained, and emailing/instant messaging with their loved ones.....they're freakin' surrounded by all things Iraq, I don't really think that they care what the news has to say about it.....

Caine, you were over there.....do you have anything to say about that one? Anyone else that was over there care to toss in a few words?
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Not sure Caine could put his bias against President Bush aside to give a non biased answer...Skilmatic was in Iraq.....Why don't you ask him?...
 
Stace said:
I didn't say they didn't have access to the news...I said they don't have the time to keep up with it....I'm sure they're more concerned with, oh, maybe being entertained, and emailing/instant messaging with their loved ones.....they're freakin' surrounded by all things Iraq, I don't really think that they care what the news has to say about it.....

Caine, you were over there.....do you have anything to say about that one? Anyone else that was over there care to toss in a few words?
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Umm... yeah, I won't be hearing any of HIS responces, and he is just going to say I never served, because I don't agree with him... but......

I didn't really care about Anti-War Protesters.......
Yeah, we took notice of stuff like that, but I don't know one damned person in a company (plus attatchments) of around 150 solders or so.....I don't know one of them that it caused them to lose motivation...... The motivation to get the mission done is because you were ordered to do it.... You're doing your job, and, if done correctly, you wont get killed. Thats the motivation to keep fighting.... it has nothing to do with the fact that the media is covering what will catch the publics attention.... we are soldiers, we aren't rocks, we understand how the media works.......

Any soldier who seriously lets bad media coverage and war protesters keep him down should go AWOL for being such a *****.

And Thats the Word........ (Stephen Colbert)
 
Navy Pride said:
Not sure Caine could put his bias against President Bush aside to give a non biased answer...Skilmatic was in Iraq.....Why don't you ask him?...
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And that's exactly why I DID ask Caine, because you seem to have quite a bias against him....maybe I'll do a good thing here and get you to set aside your bias, even if it's only for like, 10 seconds.
 
Stace said:
And that's exactly why I DID ask Caine, because you seem to have quite a bias against him....maybe I'll do a good thing here and get you to set aside your bias, even if it's only for like, 10 seconds.
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I told you to ask Skilmatic......
 
LOL.....
I saw Navy Pride's message quoted in Stace's message and just have to say this.....

What Exactly does Skillmatic KNOW about the situation?
He was in the NAVY, and wasn't like it was a seal or anything, he even admitted he didn't really go into Iraq hardly, maybe hung out in the coastal region (very small area in south Iraq).

Besides, Im certain anyone who swears people like Micheal Savage are entirely correct and sane isn't going to agree with me, just for the sake of not agreeing with a "liberal commie socialist mental disorder"

He wears his partisanship WAYYY out on his sleeve, and all his words will be discredited until such a time as he admits Micheal Savage is a hack.

With that said, if he WERE to respond and say that these Anti-War protests and or bad media coverage bothered him while he was deployed.... Like I said, he should have went AWOL because he was a *****.
 
Navy Pride said:
I told you to ask Skilmatic......
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Well, since Skilmatic doesn't seem to be logged on here right now, that's kind of hard to do.
 
Caine said:
LOL.....
I saw Navy Pride's message quoted in Stace's message and just have to say this.....

What Exactly does Skillmatic KNOW about the situation?
He was in the NAVY, and wasn't like it was a seal or anything, he even admitted he didn't really go into Iraq hardly, maybe hung out in the coastal region (very small area in south Iraq).

Besides, Im certain anyone who swears people like Micheal Savage are entirely correct and sane isn't going to agree with me, just for the sake of not agreeing with a "liberal commie socialist mental disorder"

He wears his partisanship WAYYY out on his sleeve, and all his words will be discredited until such a time as he admits Micheal Savage is a hack.

With that said, if he WERE to respond and say that these Anti-War protests and or bad media coverage bothered him while he was deployed.... Like I said, he should have went AWOL because he was a *****.
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He is a Corpsman in the Navy saving Marines lives......How dare you degrade his service.........No true veteran of Iraq would ever do that........
 
Navy Pride said:
He is a Corpsman in the Navy saving Marines lives......How dare you degrade his service.........No true veteran of Iraq would ever do that........
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Like you degrade mine?
What true veteran of Nam would do that????????
 
galenrox said:
It only took 5 posts, 5 POSTS to take this from a statement of good news into partisan bickering, and without even a single word said from the other side, bravo!

This is fantastic news, I am just beside myself I'm so pleased by this. This is because I'm not opposed to the war just for the sake of being opposed to the war, which is true with the vast majority of people who are opposed to war, and us Bush haters. I still think the war was a bad idea, but I'm ecstatic that something of this magnitude could go so well!

And as for not getting paid attention to, I don't know about you, but this has been all over CNN, and also this has been the main focus of all of the local news shows here for the last week or two, including a lot of attention for how well it's been going!
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I just wish it got half the press of the prison scandals........
 
galenrox said:
What, the 4th election in the last year, and you think it's anywhere close in news value to a massive prison abuse scandal involving huge violations of the geneva convention? Are you joking? You know, it doesn't neccisarily have to be an even sum game to be unbiased, it needs to reflect the situation as accurately as it can, and you guys just so happen to be screwing up a lot more than you're succeeding.
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YES! Someone else actually remembered that wonderful thing called the Geneva Conventions!!!

Sorry....carry on.....as you were....
 
Navy Pride said:
Yeah your right they do but support of the american people and our elected representatives is very important.......I live close to Fort Lewis army base and the Stryker Division deploys to Iraq and back and that is what the guys I talk to tell me......

I give you credit though, at least you are not trying to justify Kerry, Deans, and Murthas comments.........You just don't think the troops care but your wrong..........
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I love how you think you can speak for all members of the US Armed Forces, when Caine's a greater hero than you will ever be.
 
vergiss said:
I love how you think you can speak for all members of the US Armed Forces, when Caine's a greater hero than you will ever be.
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Heeeeyy....what about ME?!?!?! :2razz:
 
Navy Pride said:
Yeah the left and the Bush haters are firmly behind the prez and wants him to succeed in Iraq:roll: .........Murtha says we can't win there......:confused:
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I thought it was Dean that said "we can't win" or something to that effect. Murtha just wanted an idea of how long the game should be played.

It's understandable you would be confused though.
 
I do kind of like it though, how everyone is happy, that an Ayatola will be getting power! Yey Bush, here come's IRAN #2 In a country that could produce a nuclear strike in 45 minutes...hehe

All Hail ALI ALI ALI ALI.

You know, maybe ali is just biding his time, like the terrorists, waiting for the US to leave and install a theocracy. ALI ALI ALI

We gave them a Republic, let's hope they can keep it better than we kept ours. I wish them the best, they'll need it.
 
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libertarian_knight said:
I thought it was Dean that said "we can't win" or something to that effect. Murtha just wanted an idea of how long the game should be played.

It's understandable you would be confused though.
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The quotes they made are posted in this thread but they pretty much said similar things except Murtha said that our military is broken in addition......
 
vergiss said:
I love how you think you can speak for all members of the US Armed Forces, when Caine's a greater hero than you will ever be.
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He is a legend in his own mind.........:lol:Just joking hon........
 
Navy Pride said:
The quotes they made are posted in this thread but they pretty much said similar things except Murtha said that our military is broken in addition......
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Well, I have to back him up where he says, "Broken" to an extent.

Not meaning to be rude, did you go to Nam more than once? Did you go back so soon after returning home? If you did, you might understand.

Or. I could explain some things a little.

Many troops are getting deployed for 1 year, redeployed to the states for like.. 8 months, return to Iraq for a year. Its kinda hard to stay upbeat when your away from your family all the time, or if you had a serious girlfriend, that, or if you had a serious alcohol problem, that.

The divorce rate within the Armed Forces is at an all time high. Family Support programs aren't doing the job. Most of this has nothing to do with Family Support programs anyways, alot of wife's can't handle the stress of being the head of the household for 3 years straight while thier Husband is only home for 8 months of that time. Some can't handle being alone that long, and go out and find another man to be with. Some Troops get home and can't get along with thier wives, causing problems that lead to divorce.

Rare cases of SF soldiers who returned home from deployments to Kill thier wives, there were several of these cases at Ft. Bragg, NC.

These are few examples of a "broken" military.
 
Navy Pride said:
He is a legend in his own mind.........:lol:Just joking hon........
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Nah, im no Legend....
I just did what I did and im not afraid to talk about it, even the bad parts.
But since many conservative cover the good parts for me, I can't add anything but the bad.
 
Caine said:
Well, I have to back him up where he says, "Broken" to an extent.

Not meaning to be rude, did you go to Nam more than once? Did you go back so soon after returning home? If you did, you might understand.

Or. I could explain some things a little.

Many troops are getting deployed for 1 year, redeployed to the states for like.. 8 months, return to Iraq for a year. Its kinda hard to stay upbeat when your away from your family all the time, or if you had a serious girlfriend, that, or if you had a serious alcohol problem, that.

The divorce rate within the Armed Forces is at an all time high. Family Support programs aren't doing the job. Most of this has nothing to do with Family Support programs anyways, alot of wife's can't handle the stress of being the head of the household for 3 years straight while thier Husband is only home for 8 months of that time. Some can't handle being alone that long, and go out and find another man to be with. Some Troops get home and can't get along with thier wives, causing problems that lead to divorce.

Rare cases of SF soldiers who returned home from deployments to Kill thier wives, there were several of these cases at Ft. Bragg, NC.

These are few examples of a "broken" military.
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Well I am sorry you think our military is broken.....I think it is the finest fighting machine ever established in the history of the world...We will just have disagree on that one........

I spent a total of 43 months in Vietnam, 13 months in country and 30 months aboad Navy Ships in Yankee and Dixie Station..........

Oh one other thing, when you put the Navy down as not being part of the fighting in the war in Iraq take a trip to the Viet Nam Memorial in DC sometime, you will see a whole bunch of names of people in the Navy who paid the ultimate price there including 6 personal friends of mine............:roll:
 
Navy Pride said:
I spent a total of 43 months in Vietnam, 13 months in country and 30 months aboad Navy Ships in Yankee and Dixie Station..........
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There are about 5 people here that can tell you what Yankee/Dixie station were w/o looking it up... :lol:
 
Caine said:
Well, I have to back him up where he says, "Broken" to an extent.

Many troops are getting deployed for 1 year, redeployed to the states for like.. 8 months, return to Iraq for a year. Its kinda hard to stay upbeat when your away from your family all the time, or if you had a serious girlfriend, that, or if you had a serious alcohol problem, that.

These are few examples of a "broken" military.
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:rolleyes:

God help us if we ever get in a situation where all the troops are deployed for the duration. By this standard, the US military was 'broken' before we got involved in WW2..

Given the whining and complaning we've seen over Iraq, if we're ever forced to fight a war on the scale of WW2, we'll never be able to do it.
 
M14 Shooter said:
:rolleyes:

God help us if we ever get in a situation where all the troops are deployed for the duration. By this standard, the US military was 'broken' before we got involved in WW2..

Given the whining and complaning we've seen over Iraq, if we're ever forced to fight a war on the scale of WW2, we'll never be able to do it.
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There is a difference between constant deployments to a war with a meaning that is TRULY protecting us, or stoping genocide of our allies.

And invading on false intelligence, and also trying to use a decades old instance of cruelty to his own people to back that up.

When my unit first deployed, I was in support of everything we were doing.
When it turned out we were all misinformed, and we were there for good because we screwed up a country and had to fix it..... I was a little upset thinking about the lives of the two men in my company who died for our freedom and it turned out to be someone elses freedom instead.

My opinion though, Im certain you are in favor of any war we were to get into though.
 
M14 Shooter said:
There are about 5 people here that can tell you what Yankee/Dixie station were w/o looking it up... :lol:
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Do you think Caine is one of them?;)
 
Navy Pride said:
Do you think Caine is one of them?;)
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Nope, sure aint.
But what does that have to do with any of the actual debate?
 
Caine said:
There is a difference between constant deployments to a war with a meaning that is TRULY protecting us, or stoping genocide of our allies.
And invading on false intelligence, and also trying to use a decades old instance of cruelty to his own people to back that up.
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This is partisan rhetoric talking, taken directly from the DNC playdook.

The troops dont see things the way the typical anti-Bush, anti-war (because its led by Bush) liberal Democrat sees it -- the troops as a whole believe in what they're doing s much as the troops in WW2 belived in what they were doing.

As such, your argument here isnt relevant - and my point stands.

The present generations -- the boomers in charge of the government and the Gen-Xrs fighting the war -- could not have done what the WW2 generation did.

When my unit first deployed, I was in support of everything we were doing.
When it turned out we were all misinformed, and we were there for good because we screwed up a country and had to fix it..... I was a little upset
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Your ancedotes apply to you. Not to the military as a whole.
Now. I'm sure you'll retort with a "a lot of guys I know" line, but again -- your experience represents your experience and little else.
 
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