Lot of civil war battlefields and historical sites in Virginia.I would be surprised if it happens any time soon.
Perhaps not as not vocal about it as Jimmy Carter was.Being a Christian is almost a requirement when running for POTUS.
In the future the only place that you'll see the Confederate flag will be tattooed on racist loser's foreheads. :roll:
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Perhaps not as not vocal about it as Jimmy Carter was. Being a Christian is almost a requirement when runing for POTUS.
Not likely going to happen in your life time. The conservative backlash from all this is that you will see confederate flags appearing everywhere all over the South on not public land. This "offensive" symbol will be used to taunt people at every opportunity. Beauregard's flag will have new life breathed into it because of the efforts to force its eradication.
Wait.And.See.
No one could win the presidency without the southern vote....until Obama.LBJ picked by Kennedy to get the southern vote. Obviously Kennedy was a slavery-loving racist who wanted those votes. :lol:
Some people switched after the civil rights act and some switched after Reagan was elected. What's so hard to understand about that?Soooo, let me get this straight... Southern Democrats turned Republican after the Civil Rights act... except most of them, and the ones that stayed Democrat only stayed Democrat so that they could get elected.... because all the Southern states turned Republican.
Makes perfect sense! :lamo
Some people switched after the civil rights act and some switched after Reagan was elected. What's so hard to understand about that?
Chester Trent Lott, Sr. (born October 9, 1941) is a former United States Senator from Mississippi, who served in numerous leadership positions in both the United States House of Representatives and the Senate. He entered Congress as one of the first of a wave of Republicans winning seats in Southern states that had been solidly Democratic. He became Senate Majority Leader, then fell from power after praising Strom Thurmond's 1948 segregationist Dixiecrat presidential bid.
In 1972, Colmer, one of the most conservative Democrats in the House, announced his retirement after 40 years in Congress. He endorsed Lott as his successor in Mississippi's 5th District, located in the state's southwestern tip, even though Lott ran as a Republican. Lott won handily, in large part due to Richard Nixon's landslide victory in that year's presidential election. Nixon won the 5th district with an astonishing 87 percent of the vote; it was his strongest congressional district in the entire nation.[9]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trent_Lott
So being Christian is almost a requirement, Ford and Carter were both Christian... but Carter won the Southern vote because he was Christian, not because he was a Carter appealed largely to conservative Christian and rural votersDemocrat?
Yeah, back to the drawing board with that one, Pete.
There was probably many reasons why he won the south. Carter appealed largely to conservative Christian and rural voters; he was from the deep south, he was a former governor of Georgia and he was a peanut grower. And finally he ran against Gerald Ford. (btw, I voted for Ford)
I'm going to wait and I'm sure that what we're going to see is that most Americans are tolerant and opposed to racist symbols.
Oh dear god it's another one of these people who thinks banning confederate flags is the discussion.
Who keeps telling you guys this? What right-wing ****rag has been telling all of you "LIBRULS WANT TO BAN CONFEDERATE FLAGS," and why did you believe them?
There was probably many reasons why he won the south. Carter appealed largely to conservative Christian and rural voters; he was from the deep south, he was a former governor of Georgia and he was a peanut grower. And finally he ran against Gerald Ford. (btw,I voted for Ford)
LBJ and Democrats including Al Gore the Science Whore's dad fought AGAINST the Civil Rights Act....they filibustered it in Congress.
After LBJ signed it he said "Ill have those NIGGERS voting Democratic for the next 200 years". Only 150 years of the poverty plantation left for blacks to suffer with....
JFK would have been bounced out of today's Democrat party, a party who today has more in common with the ideology of his assassin than they do with JFK.
And LBJ, well...
“I’ll have those n**** voting Democratic for the next 200 years.”
- Lyndon B. Johnson
The objection by the Republican to the wording of the Public Accommodations section of the Civil Rights Act (again, pushed by the classic liberal Kennedy and Republicans, not by the DNC) was that it ran afoul of existing SCOTUS precedent and could scuttle the Civil Rights act in a Supreme Court challenge.
Of the 117 Democrats that voted against the Civil Rights act of 1964 only a handful, 5 by my count (Iris Blitch, Arlen Specter, Strom Thurmond, Howard Callaway and Charles Pickering), switched parties to become Republican, the rest of those racists stuck with the Democrats. That is a conversion rate of... 4.3%
Sooooo.. 95.7% of Democrat Congressmen who voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964 stayed Democrat.
Hmmmmmm...
No one actually knows if he said that. It's possible. He used that word often, but he also supported equal rights for blacks, and pushed for and signed legislation that helped them achieve civil rights in the South. So even if he said it, he did more for blacks than any POTUS since Lincoln. I'd bet if you were black at that time, you'd forgive his language and his supposed motivation for your own freedom and liberty.
If you're interested, there's a good discussion about the quote here: President LBJ: "I
It is definitely in his character to say it, the dude was a total prick.
If I were black in 2015 and could go back in time I would kick LBJ in the nuts for what his policies have done to black people.
There is no "Democrat" party, and if we want to play that game, Reagan would have been bounced out of today's Repugnant party.
OK, and he supported and signed the CRA and VRA. Can you name a POTUS that did more to advance civil rights for blacks other than Lincoln?
You're usually better than this. LBJ, a democrat, was POTUS. The House and Senate were controlled by Democrats. Obviously the southern democrats opposed it bitterly. So it defies logic and recorded history that democrats outside the South didn't support this bill - they went to the great lengths to get a very strong bill through the House committee chaired by a Democrat, then to bypass the Senate committee chaired by a racist white southern democrat (it was discharged to the floor without a committee vote, then to overcome a filibuster in the Senate.
It took broad support from virtually everyone not a white racist Southerner Democrat, but you can't help but deny giving any credit at all to Democrats, and throw in a gratuitous snipe at Johnson who enthusiastically supported the legislation at every step of the way.
Old habits die hard. In many (at least) areas of the South there wasn't even a functioning GOP. In my dad's county in W. Tennessee, the democratic primary usually was the election because no republican bothered to run. If a republican did run, it was pro forma - the democrat won in landslides. According to him, there wasn't a republican elected official in his entire county.
There is a Democrat party, there is no longer a democratic party.
Kennedy is the one responsible for putting that together. The action of the Democrats after passing Kennedy's legislation has done nothing but destroy the black community in America.
First your statement doesn't actually counter my point. The Republicans didn't want to endanger the bill by adding sections that were in opposition to standing SCOTUS rulings regarding states rights.
Second, we aren't talking about northerners, the subject at hand is Southern Democrats that others claimed fled the Democrat party to the Republicans after the CRA and VRA. That didn't happen, and the Southern Democrats were not conservative. Southern Democrats stayed with the Democrats because the Democrats were the progressive party and Southern Democrats were progressives.
Likewise, the argument that Blacks flooded to the Democrats after the CRA and VRA is disproved by the statistics. "Non-Whites" have voted dependably Democrat for as long as Gallup has been collecting election demographics.
Fixed that for you.
Your response is laughable because what you accuse me of doing is exactly what Democrats have been trying to Republicans for decades. I point out that the standard Democrat narrative of White Southern Racist Democrat fight to the Republican party is a lie, and that the vast majority of White Southern Racist Democrats remained White Southern Racist Democrats and you get upset? Get real.
So the White Southern Racist Democrats remained White Southern Racist Democrats. That's my point.
I do not own or display a "Confederate" flag and have neither the desire nor intention to do so, even though I have non slave owning ancestors who fought for the South.
As a blacksmith, I have made countless odd & detailed Reproduction tools, artifacts & cannon parts for Civil War re-enactors whose fastidious attention to detail is impressive as eccentric as it may seem. To each his own
What I object to is the distorted notion that the "Civil War" aka "War between the States, aka "War of Northern Aggression" was fought primarily for "Freeing the Slaves".
I think that History will support me in that Lincoln despised African-Americans & that Abolition was simply a Propaganda initiative to seize the Moral High Ground. It was only a matter of time before slavery would have been phased out not just because of its cruelty & injustice but because of technological & economic reasons.
Even a cursory review of history & Colonialism establishes that an Industrialized State/Societies do not peacefully coexist beside agrarian States/Societies without making efforts to seize those resources.
While there were a multitude of factors involved, like most all wars, the "Civil War" was fought primarily for economic reasons / natural resources.
Except for the Civil War re-enactors I've met, the Confederate flag has, sadly, been hi-jacked ugly & racist hate groups. The "Professionally & Chronically Offended" in the "Offense Industry" will remain implacable & move on to another non-issue. Meanwhile, those who do find the "Confederate" flag a hurtful symbol will continue to praise a deified historical figure who despised them.
I guess it is true that the war wasn't fought to "Free the slave" but it was fought to preserve slavery. It's an important distinction, and admittedly one that is often misstated, but it was about slavery. You say it was mainly economic - true because the economics of the South, the wealthy in the south at least, depended on slavery, and there were $billions in 1860 dollars "invested" in slaves. So ending slavery was predictably devastating economically to the region.
Well, actually no. But I like the term because it's an instant identifier of a blind partisan. Same signal using "Repugnant" sends to you.
So you moved the goal posts to LBJs great society programs. Well, I'm waiting on the GOP to repeal Medicare and replace that with nothing. It creates dependence for the olds...
Can you point to anything to defend that, or is it just made up? And what you said was the CRA and VRA were supported by JFK, and republicans, but not the DNC, whatever that means. That's clearly wrong - those bills enjoyed across the board support outside Dixie.
I've lived here and the Southern Democrats were conservative, on the right side of the Democratic party on most issues. Tennessee, like all other Southern states to my knowledge, were "right to work" states early on, almost all of them dating back to the 1940s, when democrats held the legislature and Governor's mansion.
But, sure, working class whites were more naturally aligned with the Democrats than the big business GOP in the North.
What you're doing is making broad statements about the parties when the reality is fairly complex. All you want to do is say, "Democrats bad, GOP good" and that's just not at all accurate. And it's offensive when right wingers attribute the racism of the southern democrats to the modern day party because if that's true, you're telling blacks they're too stupid to know this, and if they were smarter, they'd be GOPers.
It's a little tough because if you were black in the South, you probably weren't allowed to vote or hold office or serve on a jury because of Jim Crow laws, but those that did were mostly republicans. In the North, sure, lots of black democrats. I'm not really sure what point you're trying to make.
No need to fix anything - I've said it explicitly many times.
I don't accuse the GOP of being racist, but it's just a fact that if you are a white racist in the South and vote for one of the two major parties, you're not voting for any democrat.
The democrats broke bread with those people for a long time, and are glad to be rid of them. Now the racist dead enders are the GOP's problem.
They aren't in 2015, and that is MY point. You can ignore Nixon's Southern Strategy all you want, but the shift of the white conservative vote from the Democratic to the republican party is complete as we speak.
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