Victor Davis Hanson: The Left Is Waging A Full-Fledged Cultural Revolution Against Traditional America

[eman623]

Yet you don't seem to take issue with using a person's past arrest history as justification for that person's demise. No one is questioning Neely had a lot of issues, but as it relates to the case, his past record isn't the issue, but whether the actions he took on that particular day warranted him dying at the hand of another. Some here seem to have no problem rationalizing someone's death based on past transgressions, but that's not how the law works.

That's not the question either. Neely was not deliberately murdered, so the question is whether Neely's actions warranted restraining him which led to his tragic but unintentional death. I think the answer is a clear yes.

The fact that Neely did have a long and violent criminal history does not justify that conclusion, but it does add tremendous support for it. Neely was in no way a nice person, Michael Jackson impersonations notwithstanding. It is easy to believe the other passengers felt threatened by him and would - and should - have taken actions to stop his rampage in that subway car.

 

[eman623]

Hanson was a vocal proponent of the Iraq War.

Hillary Clinton and Chuck Schumer voted to invade Iraq. Does that make them liars? What of their credibility?

 

[Slartibartfast]

Hillary Clinton and Chuck Schumer voted to invade Iraq. Does that make them liars? What of their credibility?

It is certainly a black mark on their record.

Personally, I don’t agree with other posters here on that because pretty much everyone voted for that farce of a war at that time.

I think the idea in the OP itself is ridiculous and it just just another attempt to justify vigilantism.

 

[Fletch]

The Left Is Waging A Full-Fledged Cultural Revolution Against "Traditional America"​

And we all know what the term "Traditional America" dog whistles. Heck is it even a dog whistle any longer or is it a bullhorn.

What is the 'dog whistle' here and why is it only leftists ever 'hear' them?

 

[eman623]

It is certainly a black mark on their record.

More than that according to Tigerace, who said "that alone is enough to demonstrate his [VDH] complete lack of credibility."

It's unfortunate the thread author led off with VDH's name in the thread title. Rookie mistake. He effectively derailed his own thread before it even started.

Getting back to Neeley...,

 

[Slartibartfast]

More than that according to Tigerace, who said "that alone is enough to demonstrate his [VDH] complete lack of credibility."

It's unfortunate the thread author led off with VDH's name in the thread title. Rookie mistake. He effectively derailed his own thread before it even started.

Getting back to Neeley...,

I don’t agree with most of what that poster writes tbh.

I had additional thoughts on the reply after a moments consideration. I don’t like the OP for a completely different reason.

 

[j brown's body]

What is the 'dog whistle' here and why is it only leftists ever 'hear' them?

Subjugating women and minorities is part of Traditional America."

 

[Questerr]

But this isn't the same so that analogy does not apply.

It’s the Right once again claiming the Left is trying to destroy “traditional America”. It is the same.

 

[Fletch]

Subjugating women and minorities is part of Traditional America."

Thats not what is being discussed or even hinted at. Thats just your dishonest interpretation.

 

[Questerr]

Thats not what is being discussed or even hinted at. Thats just your dishonest interpretation.

So you are arguing women and minorities had equal rights for the majority of American history? Or do you not know what “traditional” means?

 

[ElChupacabra]

That's not the question either. Neely was not deliberately murdered, so the question is whether Neely's actions warranted restraining him which led to his tragic but unintentional death. I think the answer is a clear yes.

That isn't conclusive, since what will come up is the fact Penny was warned about Neely's condition by the other passenger. I personally don't think Penny had that intention, but it's hard to ignore the fact he had other options and the time to make a better decision.

The fact that Neely did have a long and violent criminal history does not justify that conclusion, but it does add tremendous support for it.

How so? None of his previous offenses carries the death penalty anywhere.

Neely was in no way a nice person, Michael Jackson impersonations notwithstanding. It is easy to believe the other passengers felt threatened by him and would - and should - have taken actions to stop his rampage in that subway car.

Others who knew him feel otherwise, and cite his generosity in the form of giving sharing his earnings from his impersonation act with his friends so they could all eat and get what they needed. People are rarely one dimensional, and in Neely's case, he certainly had mental issues which affected his behavior.

 

[Tigerace117]

Hillary Clinton and Chuck Schumer voted to invade Iraq. Does that make them liars? What of their credibility?

“But Clinton!” doesn’t change what your boy Victor so enthusiastically cheered for.

 

[eman623]

“But Clinton!” doesn’t change what your boy Victor so enthusiastically cheered for.

It does make your girl Clinton no different from VDH. If you say he lost all credibility for supporting the war, then she did too

 

[Tigerace117]

It does make your girl Clinton no different from VDH. If you say he lost all credibility for supporting the war, then she did too

Nobody cares about Hilary in 2023 dude. Stop desperately clinging at straws to try and excuse the bad behavior of far right morons.

 

[The AntiDonald]

Hillary Clinton and Chuck Schumer voted to invade Iraq. Does that make them liars? What of their credibility?

They have both admitted it was a mistake. They fell for the Bush lies. Has Hanson admitted it was a mistake yet? That's where he loses credibility.

 

[Bodecea]

Thats why you libs are so uniformed on every issue. You only want to hear one side. That sort of thinking is almost...cult-like.

Define "traditional America."

 

[VySky]

Define "traditional America."

It's the doormat the left has been walking on the the last 3 decades.

 

[Lisa]

It's the doormat the left has been walking on the the last 3 decades.

Tradition is peer pressure from dead people. It should be questioned and discarded.

 

[Slyfox696]

Interesting accusation coming from you, Give me his 3 biggest lies.

Okay, this is just from the article cited:

"The Left is waging a full-fledged cultural revolution against traditional America. And the Maoist results are often as absurd as they are terrifying."
"The FBI contracted Twitter to suppress news stories. It kept the Hunter Biden laptop under wraps...That was a blatant effort to aid the 2020 Biden campaign."
"The IRS just conceded whistleblowers were correct and the agency fired its entire multi-year audit team responsible for investigating Hunter Biden’s purported tax irregularities."

And those are just some of the first things he said and that's giving charitable license to some of the other things stated.

Somebody at that age who acts like a maniac on a subway is probably a career criminal.

Did someone leave a white hood laying around somewhere?

 

[j brown's body]

It's the doormat the left has been walking on the the last 3 decades.

That's awfully vague.

Pining for the days when a woman couldn't get a credit card without the signature of her husband or father?

 

[Mongidig]

Did someone leave a white hood laying around somewhere?

Not me.

 

[poweRob]

I was not aware Neely had been arrested 40 times. And his Uncle who came to his defense has been arrested 70 times? Like VDH asked, how does this happen?

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I was just reading about the tragic death on the subway and I thought, wow, this guy looks like a career criminal that was killed. I thought maybe he had arrests of 5 or 7. How does somebody in the criminal justice system have an arrest record of 40 arrests including violent assault, lewd conduct? And then his uncle weighed in. And I thought, wow, he's weighing in support of his deceased nephew, maybe he has a criminal record. He's been arrested 70 times. What kind of criminal justice system, I guess just ideologically, just excuses felony behavior 70 times?

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2023/05/25/victor_davis_hanson_the_left_is_waging_a_full-fledged_cultural_revolution_against_traditional_america.html

Who?

 

[Fletch]

Okay, this is just from the article cited:

"The Left is waging a full-fledged cultural revolution against traditional America. And the Maoist results are often as absurd as they are terrifying."
"The FBI contracted Twitter to suppress news stories. It kept the Hunter Biden laptop under wraps...That was a blatant effort to aid the 2020 Biden campaign."
"The IRS just conceded whistleblowers were correct and the agency fired its entire multi-year audit team responsible for investigating Hunter Biden’s purported tax irregularities."

And those are just some of the first things he said and that's giving charitable license to some of the other things stated.

Lol those are facts. You being ignorant of the truth doesnt make it lies.

 

[Fletch]

Tradition is peer pressure from dead people. It should be questioned and discarded.

And replaced by what and who decides? You? And peer pressure from Marxist activists like you? I dont think so.

 

[j brown's body]

And replaced by what and who decides? You? And peer pressure from Marxist activists like you? I dont think so.

Society decides. Reactionaries backlash. Its a timeless tale.