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there's no evidence that missile defense systems don't work...LOL
The Russians say that it does. I guess they got it wrong, too?
The man is a real irresponsible idiot but some people here say he is brilliant. This is another proof that I was right. This idiot wants us all killed.
The man is a real irresponsible idiot but some people here say he is brilliant. This is another proof that I was right. This idiot wants us all killed.
Because he's being dishonest.
The US is barred from using existing silos and launch pads formerly used in ICBM systems for missile defense.
That would appear to be a problem for the ignorant but not for the educated. Especially considering the US was never planning on using those sites in the first place for missile defense. A sizable portion of the US missile defense is based off ships. Furthermore, it would be cheaper just to build specific launch sites for interceptors rather then completely renovate old systems and silos.
Basically, you're bitching about a cost savings measure.
Navy vet here. I was looking for this sanity. Thanks. I don't think these folks quite understand what our arsenal is, and where it is.
Delivery systems are Ballistic Missile submarines and B-2 bombers.
Our ICBM's are in places like Diego Garcia. Staging for Air Force nuclear ops is Alabama. Nukes themselves are in places like North Dakota. We also have drones now as well as cruise missiles which can be delivered in a myriad of ways.
If I remember right, the silos are gone.
Who cares?
It can work well all it wants to - shooting down a missle in every test. But if we're under an attack just HOW effective is such a system going to be?
If The Russians are lobbing missiles at us the last thing I'm going to be thinking is "good thing we've got that anti-missile defense silos in place!"
It's a false comfort - and an unnecessary expense.
All of them? I thought we had a few running.
Navy vet here. I was looking for this sanity. Thanks. I don't think these folks quite understand what our arsenal is, and where it is. Delivery systems are Ballistic Missile submarines and B-2 bombers. Our ICBM's are in places like Diego Garcia. Staging for Air Force nuclear ops is Alabama. Nukes themselves are in places like North Dakota. We also have drones now as well as cruise missiles which can be delivered in a myriad of ways.
If I remember right, the silos are gone.
Unfortunately, the only way to find that out, is to employ the system in an actual attack.
One thing's for certain, it definitely won't work if it isn't employed. That constitutes a guaranteed 100% failure rate. I'll take a 70% failure rate over that, any day.
Uh, yeah, that's because it's like, secret? Uh, yeah.
So why do we always test it under conditions nothing like a real attack? And we STILL fail 70% of the time.
Or we could just rely on MAD and focus on the real ways they'll nuke us. And it would cost less.
Why on EARTH would a state put all of the effort into a few missiles that would be shot down when they could just ship it via cargo container?
Missile Defense is a socialist employment program. Nothing more.
Um, not all of it. And much of it has been in the public knowledge for thirty or so years. You'd know that if you bothered to educate yourself before posting
I was about to agree with you until you hit the 'socialist' thing - when you overuse a false accusation you wear it out and turn it into just an old, abused and worn out term that means nothing.
But up until that point I did agree with you - but on the basis that the system is purely a fail - pointless - and a classic waste of money. . . right along with the damned Osprey and Sharks with laser beams attached to their forheads.
So why do we always test it under conditions nothing like a real attack? And we STILL fail 70% of the time.
Or we could just rely on MAD and focus on the real ways they'll nuke us. And it would cost less.
Why on EARTH would a state put all of the effort into a few missiles that would be shot down when they could just ship it via cargo container?
Missile Defense is a socialist employment program. Nothing more.
Um, not all of it. And much of it has been in the public knowledge for thirty or so years. You'd know that if you bothered to educate yourself before posting
That's the point. I'm trying to make the term worthless so that the idiots here who don't understand it stop using it. When they call a private sector medicial insurance bill "Socialist" they need to be smacked in the head. But in some aspects, Missile Defense is just a handout to companies and connected individuals.
I have to disagree with you on the sharks. That would be 150% awesome.
Uh, yeah, that's because it's like, secret? Uh, yeah...
The better and smarter and cheaper course of action is for America to simply withdraw from political and military relations with countries in the eastern hemisphere. If America does that neither China nor North Korea will be a threat. The Chinese and North Koreans will be preoccupied with the nuclear weapons programs that arise in South Korea, Japan, Taiwan and Vietnam.
You are absolutely right. The Russians and Americans have different legal interpretations of the effect of the clause in question in the Preamble of the Treaty. The Russians say it is mandatory and the Americans say it is precatory.
These different interpretations give the Russians a public relations club with which to shape the actions of future American presidents.
Um, actually, they're not, um, like, secret. Never were. Built in plain view for a reason. Missile silos are 10 miles away from the Launch Controls. When Salt II treaty decommissioned half of the missiles, they were destroyed on site and left out for the soviets to verify by satellite imagery back in the eighties.
Duh.
Tell ya what, Kid Rock boy: When you have actually served this country you claim to love oh so much, and have been blown up on her behalf, then talk to me. Until then, seriously, shut up when it comes to things you know nothing about.
Kev316, HM2, 1st Battalion, 8th Marines, 2nd Marine Division. Beirut, 1983.
No. Not all of us. I've heard he's singled you out. Just you. He must have heard you'd like him assassinated. He's implementing the Bush doctrine on ya, you betcha.
Um, actually, they're not, um, like, secret. Never were. Built in plain view for a reason. Missile silos are 10 miles away from the Launch Controls. When Salt II treaty decommissioned half of the missiles, they were destroyed on site and left out for the soviets to verify by satellite imagery back in the eighties.
Duh.
Tell ya what, Kid Rock boy: When you have actually served this country you claim to love oh so much, and have been blown up on her behalf, then talk to me. Until then, seriously, shut up when it comes to things you know nothing about.
Kev316, HM2, 1st Battalion, 8th Marines, 2nd Marine Division. Beirut, 1983.
Ohhh.. . one of those "I've served, you haven't so SHUT UP!!!" Sorry, in a free society, it doesn't work that way...
Thanks for serving, but perhaps you should try to live by the ideals your service were meant to protect...
Ok, well, show us the locations of all our nukes, sense it's such openly public information.
Thank you for your service.
"Kid Rock Boy",
5/6 Infantry 87-89
1/8 Cavalry 89-92--Desert Storm
601st Ordinance Battalion Small Arms Repair Course June, July, August 92
4/6 Infantry 92-95--reassigned in October of 94 to LRRP-D after completion of aitborne training at Fort Benning.
1/30 Infantry 95-98
1/26 Infantry 98-2001--Kosovo and Macedonia.
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