FiremanRyan
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Kelzie said:I didn't say I eat nothing but brown rice.
Kelzie said:Omegas 3 and 6 are easy, they are in most vegetable oils, which is in almost everything I eat.
Yes I am thanks! :mrgreen:Simon W. Moon said:Hope you're enjoying your debate.
FiremanRyan said:i partly mis-worded what i said. B12 IS a bacteria which is naturally synthesized by animals, but plants are not sourses of it. this is why they have to be fortified with it.
FiremanRyan said:thats true, vegetable oils contain alpa-linoleic acid which is based from Omega 3 and 6 but it does not contain EPA or DHA fatty acids that are essential and found only in Omega 3 from fish.
Kelzie said:B12 is not a bacteria. B12 is a vitamin. B12 can be synthesized by bacteria, among other things, but not by animals. Since animals can not synthesize B12, they get it from the bacteria. I see no difference in getting it from animals who have gotten it from the bacteria, and just getting it from the bacteria, which is what vitamins do (well,the vegan one's anyway)
Kelzie said:I'm saying that you and I get our B12 from the same source: bacteria. The only difference is that you have a steak for a middle man.
Arch Enemy said:This is what you get for being a minority here :rofl
I'd like to ask you, do Vegans eat Fish?
Arch Enemy said:That's what I was getting at.
Obviously true vegans aren't the healthiest people on the planet.. so alot of them (the ones I know) are Hippocrates!
Healthiest people on the planet?
Japanese people on the Island of Okinawa. They usually have a full-time Job at the age of 100.
He said Hippocrates. He even capitalized it.Kelzie said:Obviously? How is that obvious? And even if they aren't the healthiest, how does that make them hypocrites?
Simon W. Moon said:He said Hippocrates. He even capitalized it.
Why he said it, I don't know.
Kelzie said:Obviously? How is that obvious? And even if they aren't the healthiest, how does that make them hypocrites?
Arch Enemy said:I'm sorry that I seem so stereotypical, but the only Vegans that I personally know are all snobby and tell me how the way the eat is the best for them. That what I'm doing is wrong, what irritates me, is they do this every damn time.. it's one of those situations where you want to dropkick them.
A doctorKelzie said::sigh: I noticed. I was thinking it might be a typo. A capitilized typo...probably not huh. :slapme: Wasn't Hippocrates a geometrist...geometer...guy who dealt with geometry?
Kelzie said:And then, there's the fact that gorillas, well all great apes, which are our closest animal ancestors are 99% vegan.
Fu_chick said:I think it's cool if people want to live like that. There are really very few veggies I like, so I would probably die of malnutrition.
I would just like to point out that even in the animal world, the lines can become blurred. Dogs and cats will regularly snack on plants. One of my horses enjoys hamburgers and dog food. In addition, there have been reported cases of horses eating road kill and even a few cases of horses killing and eating smaller animals like goats (I know it sounds hard to believe but it was published in a well respected equine publication). Pigs, which people generally regard as herbivores will most definitely eat meat if given the chance.
akyron said:Gorillas get old at 35. The oldest known reached the decrepit age of 53.
Ill take a steak every once in a while.
Thanks.
loverofpeace said:I think it's wonderful if people are vegetarian, or better yet, vegan! I truly admire you vegan folks! (I am a vegetarian, slowly working up towards vegan status.. and actually, if you had any tips, I would greatly appreciate it. I know this is supposed to be a debate, but seriously, if you have any helpful hints on veganizing, I'd love to hear them!) I do have a question though: why give up honey? I know that vegans do not eat honey or use beeswax materials, but I have not found a case of bee abuse or cruelty. Perhaps you could help me out there as well?
I personally can not bring myself to eat meat or drink milk. (And I don't really like eggs either) However, I have nothing against meat-eaters, and I totally understand where you guys are coming from. The benefits I see of being a vegetarian are: feeling healthier, conserving water and other resources, causing less animal cruelty (of course this one all depends on your own viewpoints), less workers' rights violations in the slaughterhouse and fast food restaurants, cleaner air, less hormones, less chance of weird diseases, I personally feel stronger and cleaner, saving the rainforest, I also feel that it is more fair, and, like the Buddhists say, feeling and being more compassionate. To me it just seems like it's better for Mother Earth.
I'm curious to hear from other vegetarians why they went vegetarian. Anyone care to share?
Oh - and one last thing: I have a killer vegan cookie recipe if anyone wants it. Of course, I can't take credit for them... someone else published the recipe a long time ago. You can't even tell these babies are vegan. I made them for a bunch of my friends (all omnivores) and they all loved them!
Kelzie said:I would love to help you out to become a vegan! Is there anything in particular you think you will have a problem with (since you don't drink milk or like eggs)? Umm...actually about the honey. I eat it anyway. I squish spiders on sight (well, in my room...they're fine in my garden). And the worst I could find that happens to bees is occasionally a farmer will smoke the hive and kill them. And I figure if a vegan book has to use the word occasionally, it happens once in a blue moon. And I am always interested in cookie recipes. :mrgreen:
loverofpeace said:This post will be kinda long (due to the inclusion of a cookie recipe) :2razz:
My problem is mostly just cooking things without eggs. I don't eat them plain.. but cooking becomes hard work. I heard you could subsitute a banana for eggs in cakes and stuff... I don't know, what do you do? And butter too, that's a problem. Do you just buy special vegan butter? (I also really like chocolate...)
loverofpeace said:That's awesome that you have a garden!
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