Vaccines are failing...making mandates irrelevant.

[CLAX1911]

Just STFU and do as you are told.

And be scared.

When I keep telling people This is The New normal this is what your life will be from now on. Unless we work to stop it.

The only way to do that is resistance. DO NOT COMPLY.

 

[roguenuke]

There problem is counting deaths as died with covid verses from covid. Once pandemic status is removed and hospitals don't get government money the decline in covid deaths will decline drastically and instantly

This is scaremongering.

The vaccine is pointless and I already know that for an absolute fact.

No, it isn't. Again, that does not fit with the evidence we have, which is excess mortality. There are estimated to have been over 1M excess deaths from the start of Covid, yet we have only counted about 800k deaths here (almost all countries though appear to be having this mismatch in recorded deaths from Covid and excess mortality, we aren't alone). That means that either we had some other unidentified killer of ~200k people or Covid actually is responsible for more deaths than is being recorded, even in the US.

 

[Fledermaus]

Who said they are not different?

And being different Delta statistics become irrelevant.

So no one said Delta and Omicron are not different.

 

[Fledermaus]

There problem is counting deaths as died with covid verses from covid. Once pandemic status is removed and hospitals don't get government money the decline in covid deaths will decline drastically and instantly

This is scaremongering.

The vaccine is pointless and I already know that for an absolute fact.

Why do folks keep making stupid, stupid blanket statements like "Vaccine is pointless"?

80-90% of people hospitalized for COVID are unvaxxed.

 

[Chainsawmassacre]

So no one said Delta and Omicron are not different.

But they lump statistics together to achieve their desired results

 

[CLAX1911]

No, it isn't.

Yes it is.

Again, that does not fit with the evidence we have, which is excess mortality.

Yes it does.

There are estimated to have been over 1M excess deaths from the start of Covid, yet we have only counted about 800k deaths here (almost all countries though appear to be having this mismatch in recorded deaths from Covid and excess mortality, we aren't alone).

Yeah even if I did believe you that doesn't mean they were caused by the virus.

That means that either we had some other unidentified killer of ~200k people or Covid actually is responsible for more deaths than is being recorded, even in the US.

Government oppression like we are seeing could contribute to that.

 

[maxparrish]

To be clear, so there is no confusion:

1. This risk is specific to the virus or virus lineage/family the vaccine is targeting. ADE would not somehow make human immune systems susceptible to all other viruses.

2. This is unlikely to happen, please watch the video below:



Please, just get vaccinated.

Please, stop spreading anti-vax information. Just stop it. None of you anti-vaxxers or anti-mandate folks know what you're talking about. You don't have the training. You don't have the knowledge. You don't have the experience. You don't know what you're talking about. You're just hurting people when you discourage everyone to not get vaccinated.

"Not likely" is about as reassuring as the prior promise that it was "not likely that CV-19 escaped from a Chinese lab". Oh really?

Moreover, there are now indications that the vaccine effect is turning NEGATIVE.

Vaccine effectiveness against SARS-CoV-2 infection with the Omicron or Delta variants following a two-dose or booster BNT162b2 or mRNA-1273 vaccination series: A Danish cohort study

In this brief communication we are showing original research results with early estimates from Danish nationwide databases of vaccine effectiveness (VE) against the novel SARS-CoV-2 Omicron variant (B.1.1.529) up to five months after a primary vaccination series with the BNT162b2 or mRNA-1273...

www.medrxiv.org

 

[Airyaman]

It's becoming increasingly clear that the faith in vaccines has been dashed by reality. Their effectiveness quickly wanes, mutations render them largely ineffective, and the dangers of continued and the need for repeated use of "boosters" make them a failed long term solution.

Blaming the unvaccinated and screaming for mandated vaccination using increasingly ineffective vaccines is at best pointless, at worst very dangerous.

Frequent Boosters Spur Warning on Immune Response (Correct)

European Union regulators warned that frequent Covid-19 booster shots could adversely affect the immune response and may not be feasible.

news.bloomberglaw.com

and


https://www.who.int/news/item/11-01...dvisory-group-on-covid-19-vaccine-composition

The article does not state that vaccines are failing. So where did you dig up that lie?

 

[Fledermaus]

No, it isn't. Again, that does not fit with the evidence we have, which is excess mortality. There are estimated to have been over 1M excess deaths from the start of Covid, yet we have only counted about 800k deaths here (almost all countries though appear to be having this mismatch in recorded deaths from Covid and excess mortality, we aren't alone). That means that either we had some other unidentified killer of ~200k people or Covid actually is responsible for more deaths than is being recorded, even in the US.

And elsewhere it is even worse. In China, Russia and India the undercounting could be in the millions.

 

[Fledermaus]

But they lump statistics together to achieve their desired results

So, the diseases are different.

 

[roguenuke]

Yes it is.

Yes it does.

Yeah even if I did believe you that doesn't mean they were caused by the virus.



Government oppression like we are seeing could contribute to that.

Then what were they caused by? Give us the explanation of this mystery cause of death for over 200k people besides the most obvious, Covid.

Tracking covid-19 excess deaths across countries

In many parts of the world, official death tolls undercount the total number of fatalities

www.economist.com

 

[Fledermaus]

Then what were they caused by? Give us the explanation of this mystery cause of death for over 200k people besides the most obvious, Covid.

Tracking covid-19 excess deaths across countries

In many parts of the world, official death tolls undercount the total number of fatalities

www.economist.com

Derrrrr

Gummint O Preshun

 

[maxparrish]

The article does not state that vaccines are failing. So where did you dig up that lie?

Read all of my posts and their links.

 

[Luckyone]

Actually if you hadn't gotten boosted you'd been very likely to have had a worse outcome. But then, boosting only lasts a few months.

It lasted enough to survive my infection and that makes me a believer for life. I believe in vaccines. Always have.

I used to get the flu just about every year but for the last 8 years since I have been getting the yearly flu shot, I have not had the flu even once.,

 

[The AntiDonald]

And every day that passes is showing that being vaccinated is dramatically less effective than it was even couple of months ago, and serious side effects are massively increasing from vaccinations (ten fold, at least).

In the span of a year the claims for vaccine effectiveness has repeatedly eroded in the face of reality. Nine months ago vaccines were touted as fully effective with two doses, delivering near immunity. Then breakthrough infections became increasingly common, and measurements of decreasing antibodies confirmed why. In the face of growing infections in Israel, later confirmed in the UK, boosters were then said to "fix it", or at least reduce ICU and death rates for those with Delta. That worked for a while, and then Israel went to a FOURTH dose when their numbers started increasing again.

In the meatime Omicron replaced Delta (which had previously replaced the socalled wild type) and vaccines fell to an all time low on effectiveness...even causing people to lose some natural immunity compared to the unvaccinated.

The only liars in this debate are those who are in denial...the Europeans and the WHO now accept that vaccines are not the solution.

While at the same time, some European insurance companies are raising premiums as much as 50% on the unvaccinated as a result of clogging the hospital systems. Maybe it's time we do the same here.

 

[CLAX1911]

Then what were they caused by?

Government oppression. Causes stress. Stress can be deadly to people with conditions.

When the government forces you out of business through abuse like lockdowns. That increases stress.

Give us the explanation of this mystery cause of death for over 200k people besides the most obvious, Covid.

See above.

Also you are repeating 200k not 800k so the 800k deaths in covid are a lie?

 

[roguenuke]

Government oppression. Causes stress. Stress can be deadly to people with conditions.

When the government forces you out of business through abuse like lockdowns. That increases stress.


See above.

Also you are repeating 200k not 800k so the 800k deaths in covid are a lie?

LOL, stress and oppression? Those are your answers? You don't have actual evidence for this, btw.

200k is the difference between 800k reported Covid deaths and 1M excess deaths.

 

[CLAX1911]

LOL, stress and oppression? Those are your answers?

Yes. When the government ruins you through draconian dictates that causes stress. When you go to the hospital. A business that operates in perpetual bankruptcy, and you die they just assume it's covid so the government gives them money.

Hence a covid death that isn't really a covid death.

You don't have actual evidence for this, btw.

To what end? To convince you that your God lied to you? I don't think that's possible.

You can declare victory that I'm not proving anything but I never set out to. It's a fool's errand to convince clergy that they're wrong

200k is the difference between 800k reported Covid deaths and 1M excess deaths.

Your numbers don't make any sense.

1 million excess deaths? Excess of what who was predetermined to die in 2020?

 

[roguenuke]

Yes. When the government ruins you through draconian dictates that causes stress. When you go to the hospital. A business that operates in perpetual bankruptcy, and you die they just assume it's covid so the government gives them money.

Hence a covid death that isn't really a covid death.

To what end? To convince you that your God lied to you? I don't think that's possible.

You can declare victory that I'm not proving anything but I never set out to. It's a fool's errand to convince clergy that they're wrong

Your numbers don't make any sense.

1 million excess deaths? Excess of what who was predetermined to die in 2020?

Excess of average number of deaths we see each year, each month. This is a calculated estimate based on info such as the deaths of the last 5 years averaged.

And you have no evidence for your claim about stress causing even more deaths that are being called Covid. That is plain conspiracy theory level crap.

 

[Airyaman]

Read all of my posts and their links.

No thanks. If you can't show me with a quick link, you can't answer, and I don't care to go digging.

 

[jaeger19]

No, its an obvious dodge to AVOID the question. This isnt about feelings or what ifs. FFS....you people are so desperate to defend an agenda that you will literally ignore facts. People are losing their livlihoods...in some cases careers...all over a mandate that was imposed NOT based on fact but on ego and a political agenda. How the hell can ANYONE support a mandate when you KNOW you dont even trust the vaccine?

What are you talking about? The vaccines decrease your chances of getting covid in the first place. and they dramatically reduce your chances of being hospitalized or dying. The vaccines do wane.. as does natural immunity.. and so a booster is necessary.

Whats your problem? Thats the science. Based on the science.. if vaccines were mandated.. we would have a lot less cases.. less hospitalizations and less death and less likelihood of the development of dangerous variants.

 

[maxparrish]

No thanks. If you can't show me with a quick link, you can't answer, and I don't care to go digging.

TLDR=Short Attention Span

 

[Good4Nothin]

Yeah, well, all that means is that they have nothing left, but setting up an appeal to emotion fail and gaslighting.

Yeah I never heard a pro-vaxxer say "Turns out these vaccines are not the great miracle we hoped for."

No, they see no fault whatsoever with the vaccines. All failure can be blamed on the unvaxxed.

 

[CLAX1911]

Excess of average number of deaths we see each year, each month. This is a calculated estimate based on info such as the deaths of the last 5 years averaged.

So there was a specific number of people that were supposed to die in 2020?

And you have no evidence for your claim about stress causing even more deaths that are being called Covid. That is plain conspiracy theory level crap.

I don't care if you believe my claim or not.

The reason conspiracy theories exist is for an explanation for why the government lies and why you eat it up.

The life you're living right now will never go back to normal this is your normal now and that was the point of this whole endeavor to take away your freedoms that's why they did it.

And everything you say is to the end of justifying them taking away our freedoms and that's why there are conspiracies you simply must be resisted at all costs. You represent compliance with dictatorship.

 

[Ethel2]

Old news based on manipulated statistics.

The case rate in my county is 9x higher for covidiots than for normal people