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i agree. If someone is in my house, i dont know them and i cannot tell if they are armed or not, shoot them. How bout if they are standing on my front porch looking mean?
As a last resort of self-defense when one is attacked unprovoked. I'll give three examples to illustrate my position.
1. A person breaks into my house and I'm standing in the room they broke into. They point a gun at me or a loved one. Deadly force is ethically appropriate.
2. A person attacks me without any physical provocation by me (including me taking out a weapon). Deadly force is ethically appropriate.
3. I push someone and that person punches me and proceeds to assault me to the point where I fear for my life. Deadly force is not ethically appropriate because I initiated contact, but I'd probably use it anyway as survival would come before ethics. I would just go straight to hell after I died.
I would not shoot someone over my car. Is your car insured?
As a last resort of self-defense when one is attacked unprovoked. I'll give three examples to illustrate my position.
1. A person breaks into my house and I'm standing in the room they broke into. They point a gun at me or a loved one. Deadly force is ethically appropriate.
2. A person attacks me without any physical provocation by me (including me taking out a weapon). Deadly force is ethically appropriate.
3. I push someone and that person punches me and proceeds to assault me to the point where I fear for my life. Deadly force is not ethically appropriate because I initiated contact, but I'd probably use it anyway as survival would come before ethics. I would just go straight to hell after I died.
Ah, I see - insurance makes the difference, eh?
My house is insured, so I cannot defend it, or my family in it?
My wife has life insurance, so I cannot defend her life?
Spin again.
No, I was just wondering if $500 was worth a human life to him. Or if it was a thousand or a couple of thousand. It was not spin just getting directly to the point. and this post really aint spin either, it just makes no sense.
I'm not a gun owner and never used a gun before, so pardon me if this sounds stupid, but using a gun to stop a crime does not necessarily mean using deadly force. It's an argument made against police on a regular basis, and they usually are able to defend against it, but with a private citizen I'm not sure. Since we're not talking about legal rights here, I'd say it would haunt me forever if I killed someone and simply wounding them or scaring them would have sufficed.
Says the "very liberal".I agree...there's a lot of John Wayne wannabe's on this site though.
Says the "very liberal".
Iam not John Wayne, but I can and will protect my family at the drop of the hate with leathal force.
I have trained for through work and on my own through private companies.
You may wish to run and hide or cowar down in the face of danger or threat, but not many of us.
I also wonder about people that question my willingness to protect those that I love.
You paint with some very broad strokes.No idea what my lean has to do with anything.
Not sure why treating taking another life with gravitas means I run and hide and cower in the face of danger or threat.
I don't question your willingness to protect those you love, I question the responses typically in every thread in the "gun control forum (which should be labeled the "jerk off to guns" forum).
Guns have a purpose, killing sometimes has to happen...this "violence porn" or whatever fantasies wannabe vigilante's seem to display comes across like some 14 year old comic book fantasy. What's dangerous is virtually everyone in this thread actually has a weapon. Hopefully this tough guy devil may care attitude is just some tough guy persona and not how people actually treat the responsibility of deciding whether or not to take another life.
Regardless of the law, when is deadly force ethically appropriate?
You paint with some very broad strokes.
nah, just a lot of people that will not leave the world as a victim, unlike yourself.
I've never been a victim and not afraid of being a victim.
Since you call those that would defend themselves 'john wayne' in a derogatory manner, it certainly seems you are against self defense, so your above statement may not end up being the case....
Illegal to shoot them while on your porch!
If you do make sure you drag them into the house,
or else you'll be arrested.
Regardless of the law, when is deadly force ethically appropriate?
Illegal to shoot them while on your porch!
If you do make sure you drag them into the house,
or else you'll be arrested.
Please do not give advice on things of which you are clearly ill-informed.
Dragging them into the house will leave forensic evidence, and then you're REALLY screwed.
Also, whether it is illegal to shoot someone on your porch depends on the jurisdiction, laws of the state, and totality of circumstances. In my state, it would be fine if they were acting as a serious threat, for instance... but not in every state.
In Washington State as someone walks onto my property they are trespassing and I have the legal right to shoot them.
If you shove someone, and that someone decides to beat you to a pulp. You would be legal to defend yourself to whatever extreme.
Force for force. Not force for I will let you beat me into mental retardation.
If you shove someone, and that someone decides to beat you to a pulp. You would be legal to defend yourself to whatever extreme.
Force for force. Not force for I will let you beat me into mental retardation.
Regardless of the law, when is deadly force ethically appropriate?
To stop an imminent physical threat or other forcible felony, to include non-life-threatening forcible felonies such as burglary or car jacking.Regardless of the law, when is deadly force ethically appropriate?
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