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Red Herring... c'mon man!
No alcohol in Mexico?
Red Herring... c'mon man!
Thanks.5k is close to what various local groups have been estimating. That said I don't think the entire crowd rushed the border. There is reportedly a core of agitators and radicals that have been trying to create confrontation.
That's an interesting point, thanks for making it. I was thinking Trump might get some heat for the lost trade and employment, if he can't figure-out a way to get the crossing open by Monday A.M.Forcing the closure of that crossing is not going endear the caravaners to the local population who use that to go back and forth to jobs on the US side then go home to Tijuana.
The only place those exist is in your imagination.
So you're saying this is because of Tequila.
I'm not blaming the US. I'm keeping perspective. A crowd of 500 gets unruly every day in the Western world and we don't mow them down.
No one is getting shot. This isn't Iraq.
Let's keep perspective.
I am saying that you are making justifications for illegally entering a country...
Me, neither. It's a dangerous and volatile situation.Given even the U.S.'s failure to maintain a border, I'm not sure Mexico has the ability to do so either. I'm all for secure borders, but I'm not sure Mexico has that capability.
So you're saying this is because of Tequila.
Yes, obviously. You took the "dog bite man" saying to "dog must be put down", which is not part of the saying.
Now, why did you completely leave the context of the saying (that which is common, not that which bites) to venture into "put them down" territory?
When someone says, "news of shoplifting at Walmart is man bites dog", do you suggest we kill shoplifters? See how you left context?
Now, there's another way you left context. When you suggest the dog be put down, even claiming that the dog "IS put down usually", you forget we're talking about 500 largely innocent people. We're not talking about a dog that bit someone. That's just a saying. And you want to "put them down", or at least suggest it would be the logical thing to do.
So...
1. The saying is not actually concerning a dog, it's concerning a common occurrence. It needn't be a dog, it could be anything.
2. The saying does not include, "and the dog was put down because that's what we usually do".
3. We do not usually "put down" unruly crowds.
Your rambling is obtuse and idiotic hate. Nothing more.
I didn't mean to imply you were blaming the US. I know you better than that. I was speaking for myself in relation to the overall tenor of this thread, not you.
I do, respectfully, maintain that your view here - concert goers vs aliens crossing a border illegally - is over simplistic.
:lamoIt's not the Tequila but the worm that causes all the problems.
And, I forgot to mention that there are several malls and outlet centers close to the crossing that cater to cross-border shoppers. AND this is one of the busiest shopping days of the weekend. The fecal matter is definitely about to hit the rotating ventilation device. :hitsfan:Thanks.
Yeah, it's starting to look the way you've described it. 5K held-up in some athletic field of some sort, being provided some form of basic humanitarian aid. 500 of which decided to rush the border.
That's an interesting point, thanks for making it. I was thinking Trump might get some heat for the lost trade and employment, if he can't figure-out a way to get the crossing open by Monday A.M.
Well, if you like, we could lean the other way... "invaders are over-running the fortifications, mow them down and fix bayonets!"
Because that's the tone of the thread I have a problem with. People are always gonna blame the US. But pretending a gaggle of people in line - who are trying to do things the right way - becoming unruly because the procedures are changing are some kind of threat is hateful.
<begin usual Tanngrisnir "you lie" insult fest>
Bum rushing the border to circumvent US law is not a way to make the average US citizen feel empathy for you (you being the aliens, not you).
Not at all. You want someone to do that?
I own you thus far ....
Source: (CNN) US shuts down major San Diego port of entry as migrants rush border
It's currently a fast developing story, with only partial context.
From on-air reports, it seems the normal processing of asylum-seekers at this crossing is 60-100 per day. There is a tightly-packed migrant protest camp of 5,000 just across the border in Mexico, courtesy of the Mexican government and humane organizations. Just moments ago they eschewed the regular queue on the bridge to the border crossing, instead moving ad hoc to the end of the Mexican border, not able to reach the U.S. side (as of this moment).
In response the administration shut-down all crossings at this border, including both pedestrian and vehicular traffic in both directions (to & fro).
My comment on this? Marone! It's going to be a helluva' post holiday-weekend Monday morning commute! :doh
Edit: There seems to be some discrepancy over the size of this group, with MSNBC reporting a nearby migrant camp of 5K, and CNN reporting a group of 500 going to the border. I'm not sure if these two reports are necessarily exclusive to each other, but wanted to reflect this on-air development in my post.
The non-violent caravan of refugees seeking asylum that has coincidentally caused a huge strain on the city of Tijuana, prompting a “humanitarian crisis” and call for aid from the U.N., is also now planning, or parts of the group are planning, to stamped the border cross en masse.
That’s not according to some right wing paranoia group, but to a left-wing aid group there to help the caravan achieve their goal of reaching the U.S.
Sergio Tamai, one of the founders of ‘Angels without Borders’ who, if you can’t tell by the name, want all those in the caravan to come over or through the wall, told San Diego’s Telemundo station that members of the caravan may be planning to … come over or through the wall, as a matter of fact.
“They have that intention,” he said, referring to the intent to come in a huge mass assault. “I believe that thousands could make that jump.”
Jorge Molina, a Honduran migrant, also spoke to the Telemundo station, and said that “some want to jump over the wall, others to go another way, and others want to wait and see what kind of response they get.”
https://therightscoop.com/migrant-c...n-stampede-at-border-crossing-says-aid-group/
Build the wall - fast.
Tear gas has been fired from the US side........
And it's not a threat. So let's not suffer any violence fantasies.
Tell me those tear gas shells did not fly across the border.
Because if they did, this just became an international incident far, far more serious than a few hundred people clamoring to get into the US.
Source: (CNN) US shuts down major San Diego port of entry as migrants rush border
It's currently a fast developing story, with only partial context.
From on-air reports, it seems the normal processing of asylum-seekers at this crossing is 60-100 per day. There is a tightly-packed migrant protest camp of 5,000 just across the border in Mexico, courtesy of the Mexican government and humane organizations. Just moments ago they eschewed the regular queue on the bridge to the border crossing, instead moving ad hoc to the end of the Mexican border, not able to reach the U.S. side (as of this moment).
In response the administration shut-down all crossings at this border, including both pedestrian and vehicular traffic in both directions (to & fro).
My comment on this? Marone! It's going to be a helluva' post holiday-weekend Monday morning commute! :doh
Edit: There seems to be some discrepancy over the size of this group, with MSNBC reporting a nearby migrant camp of 5K, and CNN reporting a group of 500 going to the border. I'm not sure if these two reports are necessarily exclusive to each other, but wanted to reflect this on-air development in my post.
Although it is a threat, it is not at this time a violent threat, so in essence, I agree with your basic position.
As for not suffering fantasies, the reality of the situation will dictate with time, what is fantasy and what is not, and until then I don't think we should suffer fantasies of Utopian origin nor of violent origin, yet in place we should strive for a cautious but peaceful shepherding of our border. In the mean time, as I said, I agree with your basic position.
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