One of those hits a kid in the head and he will be riding the short bus from there on out.I preferred lawn jarts to nerf :mrgreen:
I'm not talking about justice. Why do you keep thinking that I am talking about justice, when I have made it clear repeatedly that I am not? There is a legal system for doling out justice, and I whole-heartedly approve of it. This isn't about justice, or damages, or reparations. It's about settling minor grievances and venting frustration.
A fight like that doesn't solve anything except for feeling like you want to hit something. That's all I'm looking for it to accomplish.
Blown out of proportion I expect. When I was in jrHigh thirty years ago, the gym coaches used to do this when they caught two guys posturing for a fight: throw them in the equipment cage and make them fight it out, stopping it when someone had enough. Nobody ever got hurt very much.
Different times, I know...but it usually ended there back when I was a kid, instead of resulting in someone shot or stabbed like it so often does now.
Saw the video. Kids were wearing headgear and gloves, the floor was padded, and they had responsible adult supervision-- including breaking clinches and preventing groundfighting. As far as I am concerned, the only thing the school did wrong was failing to secure parental permission for the bouts. That, and it probably would have been better to use an open space instead of a cage.
This is still a damn sight better for the students than having them expelled and arrested.
Still, it makes me wonder what the principal was thinking in the current legal and cultural climate.
That is insane
You should never try to teach kids to fight it out. How about talking it out? My goodness this makes me so sad:shock:
That probably works for you since you can outrun your wife. Sucks to be her though. :lol:.... But I do like the saying "Run, run away, live to run another day." :mrgreen:
I firmly believe one of the biggest problems with people today is that they never have taken a punch in the face.
That's funny right there. :lol:
How in the heck can some of you condone kids beating the crap outta each other? What next: fight clubs in high school where you go and cheer your kids on as they beat each other to death via fightclub style?
Also I thought they took bullying in school much more serious these days and are trying to wipe out bullying? If you think tossing two kids in a cage is gonna help aid getting rid of bullying in schools? You are wrong.
What happens when one of these kids get hit too hard and end up Dead? Are all of you gonna be cheering this on? Do you all know what boxing can do to your brain? I guess some of you do not give a crap if your kids get brain damage?
I firmly believe one of the biggest problems with people today is that they never have taken a punch in the face.
I was working up a thread in my mind over the past few days, where I was going to discuss why the rise of the UFC(and MMA) in popularity in the US was important and a positive impact on our society and its youth in particular. After reading this thread, most of what I would have argued and other points I wouldn't have, seem to be sufficiently covered.
Like it or not, fighting is a way to solve problems on just about every level. We need to be a society of warriors, and having a public display such as the one the UFC puts on, is a positive model for us to embrace. Now before anybody goes off the deep end, I have trained young kids in basic MMA techniques. Some as young as 4-5. What they learn in those classes is not simply about beating up people. They learn how to fight back, but they also learn to respect their opponents(and themselves), and they also learn when to stop which is probably the most important thing for them to learn. Its the ones who have no training or discipline that you have to worry about in a fight. The ones that have the parameters built into them from a young age are fine for the most part.
As for the school, they'll likely lose a suit and deservedly so. Although I agree with the idea of a boxing ring(or cage in this instance) in a school for this purpose(as long as it supervised), they didn't get parental permission. If you need parents to sign a slip so you can go to the museum, you are going to need one for them to participate in a physical act of this nature.
I'd actually go so far, to say that I would like to see self-defense classes taught at the jr. high/high school level as part of the physical education classees.
Ever see a hockey game? fights keep the cheap shots in check.
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The UFC is competition, not conflict resolution. I have no problem with people learning various disciplines in self defense or hand to hand combat. But in martial arts, you are taught never to practice the art in anger. Tucker mentioned this truth earlier. Boxing is a technical thinking sport. When you are angry, you lose technique and overlook openings (singles) in favor of the big knockout blow (the home run). There's fighting and there's fighting. It's the physical temper tantrums that I oppose. I disagree that it solves anything.
I love the UFC BTW.
Of course the UFC is competition. But its a display of physical agression as well. You don't win by running away, or by winning a philisophical debate about a topic. You win by beating your opponent up more than he does you. Thats important for us to hold dear in our culture, because there are simply situations where being the more physically aggressive party is going to save your skin.
What having these competitions in a school does, is provides a safer outlet for the anger that will likely be unleashed anyway. But its done with protective gear, under supervision. Is it better for two kids to square off, with gloves, headgear, and a mouth piece or have one kid tackle another from behind and start beating his head into the floor and his friends join in kicking him while he's down.
Denying or trying to suppress our natural tendencies to the level we pretend that we shouldn't have an outlet for them is more dangerous and unhealthy IMO, than throwing on some gloves and having at it.
Knowing how to defend yourself is something we should hold dear. I agree.
If you never defended yourself, you DO NOT KNOW how to defend yourself.
Refer to my statement re: being punched in the face.
Being punched in the face does not automatically mean you know how to defend yourself. I know a guy who has had his ass kicked more times than I can count on both hands. He doesn't know how to defend himself.
Of course the UFC is competition. But its a display of physical agression as well. You don't win by running away, or by winning a philisophical debate about a topic. You win by beating your opponent up more than he does you. Thats important for us to hold dear in our culture, because there are simply situations where being the more physically aggressive party is going to save your skin.
What having these competitions in a school does, is provides a safer outlet for the anger that will likely be unleashed anyway. But its done with protective gear, under supervision. Is it better for two kids to square off, with gloves, headgear, and a mouth piece or have one kid tackle another from behind and start beating his head into the floor and his friends join in kicking him while he's down.
Denying or trying to suppress our natural tendencies to the level we pretend that we shouldn't have an outlet for them is more dangerous and unhealthy IMO, than throwing on some gloves and having at it.
I know this might be an alien idea, but fighting in a controlled setting like this is actually a really good way for young men to work out there problems with each other.
I suggest watching Alexander the Great film, specifically the part where young men are fighting to learn how to become good warriors. Basically the young boys create a bond with each other that last throughout there lifetimes. One of my best friends from highschool who I still talk to on a daily basis is a guy who I got into a very large fight with in gym class.
I fear this kind of male bonding(I mean this as hetereosexually as possible) is what is missing from children nowadays. It is an easy way to come to terms with each other, something not really explainable in words.
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