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UNION NO!!! in Garner, North Carolina

Did you see me say anything like that?
What are you saying then? That unions can be good or bad, depending on one's perspective? That's like saying rain is wet.
 
What are you saying then? That unions can be good or bad, depending on one's perspective? That's like saying rain is wet.
If you don't understand what I said, it would be a waste of time trying to explain it to you.
 
So without them, what's to keep us from returning to the Gilded Age, where a handful of factory owners took almost ALL the profits, and only paid workers enough to keep them alive to come back and work another day? Except this time it will be even worse, because worker productivity is higher- so you'll have a handful of Elon Musks, and everyone else will just always get paid bare subsistence pay, for the rest of their lives, and for the rest of history.

Does that sound sustainable to you?

That some of the union bosses become millionaires themselves and are cozy with management is small price to pay for the meaty bones thrown to the workers.
 
That some of the union bosses become millionaires themselves and are cozy with management is small price to pay for the meaty bones thrown to the workers.
Yes, and that's why even those bones have to be taken from the workers as well.
 
Yes, and that's why even those bones have to be taken from the workers as well.

You've never been subject to the union bosses making concessions to management? I have to wonder how much real life experience you have in working union. I've belonged to 4 different unions in my working life. I'm still a full member in good standing with one, though I'm considering withdrawing to the lower retired dues at last.
 
It's comical just how demonised unions have become and how normalised union busting by companies is now.

Unions are a good thing for workers.
They are also very effective in terms of diversifying a company’s workforce. Much more so than DEI consultants.
 
You've never been subject to the union bosses making concessions to management? I have to wonder how much real life experience you have in working union. I've belonged to 4 different unions in my working life. I'm still a full member in good standing with one, though I'm considering withdrawing to the lower retired dues at last.
So are you in favor of stronger unions so they don't have to concede, or getting rid of them?
 
So are you in favor of stronger unions so they don't have to concede, or getting rid of them?

It sounds like you're advocating unions where the strength doesn't reside in the upper levels of the hierarchy. Is that what a stronger union means to you?

I didn't say anything about unions bosses "having" to concede anything.
 
Only the workers of the facility get to vote.

Not the general public.

Not management.

Just the workers.

So ultimately, any success or blame lies 100% on the workers.

NLRB voting booths are private and secure and neither the union nor the company can compel any workers vote other than what they freely wish to vote.
How many lies and threats did they endure in order to vote against themselves? Was the vote anonymous, and who counted them?
 
It sounds like you're advocating unions where the strength doesn't reside in the upper levels of the hierarchy. Is that what a stronger union means to you?
Ideally, yes. But sometimes, practically speaking, I understand that's not how things work.

But that's not really the topic of this thread- which is more of whether unions in general are something bad. The OP did not make any distinction as to what TYPE of union power structure they were talking about.
I didn't say anything about unions bosses "having" to concede anything.
OK.
 
Ideally, yes. But sometimes, practically speaking, I understand that's not how things work.

But that's not really the topic of this thread- which is more of whether unions in general are something bad. The OP did not make any distinction as to what TYPE of union power structure they were talking about.

OK.

I think I have realized personal benefits from union membership, though not to the extent others have.

How about yourself?
 
NLRB voting booths are private and secure and neither the union nor the company can compel any workers vote other than what they freely wish to vote.
:ROFLMAO:

Please. Even during Biden's term, numerous major employers like Amazon and Starbucks were intimidating workers over union votes, breaking the law up and down and all over town. And if a facility votes in the union, the employer continues their illegal tactics.

One Philadelphia Whole Foods voted to go union. Amazon is trying to contest it, because... when Trump fired an NLRB board member, they no longer had enough votes to certify the win.
:rolleyes: One warehouse in NY went union 3 years ago, and Amazon is still trying to tie up the union in court.

It will only get worse under Trump.
 
You could list all the benefits of a union and provide examples and a mother* would be like "But, they're taking your money"
 
Only the workers of the facility get to vote.

Not the general public.

Not management.

Just the workers.

So ultimately, any success or blame lies 100% on the workers.

NLRB voting booths are private and secure and neither the union nor the company can compel any workers vote other than what they freely wish to vote.
As they should.
 
Unions are a good thing for workers.

No, they're only good for the members of the labor cartel, which is what a union is. Everyone else loses. Consumers pay higher prices, and other workers aren't allowed to compete for work which has been monopolized by the union.
 
No, they're only good for the members of the labor cartel, which is what a union is. Everyone else loses. Consumers pay higher prices, and other workers aren't allowed to compete for work which has been monopolized by the union.
True to a large extent.

But to me, this says everyone should join a union.
 
UNION NO!!! in Garner, North Carolina.

At the Garner Amazon facility, 829 yes, 2,447 no.

Union butt slams don’t get worse than that.
:smile:


Garner is just on the south side of Raleigh City limits. My niece lives just a few miles to the east in the Clayton area and probably gets her packages via that facility.

I figured that the union would lose. I did not expect the epic butt kicking that the union got, considering that this occurred in what is generally a politically blue area in Wake County.

But it holds with the general trend of unions losing ground, now down to just a pathetic 5.9% of the private workforce and continue to fall as a share of the workforce.

The few wins unions are getting are at small Starbucks sized workplaces, which won't get them very far.
Really stupid people.BTW, I nearly bought a home in Garner. A beautiful new house in a lovely development.
 
What are you saying then? That unions can be good or bad, depending on one's perspective? That's like saying rain is wet.

Let me help out.

Private unions, good
Public unions bad.

It is really this simple.
 
UNION NO!!! in Garner, North Carolina.

At the Garner Amazon facility, 829 yes, 2,447 no.

Union butt slams don’t get worse than that.
:smile:


Garner is just on the south side of Raleigh City limits. My niece lives just a few miles to the east in the Clayton area and probably gets her packages via that facility.

I figured that the union would lose. I did not expect the epic butt kicking that the union got, considering that this occurred in what is generally a politically blue area in Wake County.

But it holds with the general trend of unions losing ground, now down to just a pathetic 5.9% of the private workforce and continue to fall as a share of the workforce.

The few wins unions are getting are at small Starbucks sized workplaces, which won't get them very far.
Rightists vote the way wealthy people tell them to vote, not in their best interests. They think wealthy people must be intelligent and they want to appear intelligent themselves by agreeing with them.
A rightist who twists wrenches for a living will vote anti-union because wealthy people say he should. A rightist who loves to hunt and fish will be against environmental issues because wealthy people tell him to be.
 
True to a large extent.

But to me, this says everyone should join a union.

On net you will always be worse off with artificially high labor costs. Labor is not a benefit, it is a cost, and setting up labor cartels in order to monopolize the entire labor supply would drastically increase that cost. If you think high labor costs are good, just look at the American healthcare industry. Doctors are the highest paid profession in the country. Nurses average $50 per hour. Artificially making goods and services more expensive results in a net loss overall.
 
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