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Refer to post #11.
Refer to post #11.
Did you see me say anything like that?Are you saying they can do nothing right?
What are you saying then? That unions can be good or bad, depending on one's perspective? That's like saying rain is wet.Did you see me say anything like that?
If you don't understand what I said, it would be a waste of time trying to explain it to you.What are you saying then? That unions can be good or bad, depending on one's perspective? That's like saying rain is wet.
So without them, what's to keep us from returning to the Gilded Age, where a handful of factory owners took almost ALL the profits, and only paid workers enough to keep them alive to come back and work another day? Except this time it will be even worse, because worker productivity is higher- so you'll have a handful of Elon Musks, and everyone else will just always get paid bare subsistence pay, for the rest of their lives, and for the rest of history.
Does that sound sustainable to you?
Yes, and that's why even those bones have to be taken from the workers as well.That some of the union bosses become millionaires themselves and are cozy with management is small price to pay for the meaty bones thrown to the workers.
Yes, and that's why even those bones have to be taken from the workers as well.
They are also very effective in terms of diversifying a company’s workforce. Much more so than DEI consultants.It's comical just how demonised unions have become and how normalised union busting by companies is now.
Unions are a good thing for workers.
So are you in favor of stronger unions so they don't have to concede, or getting rid of them?You've never been subject to the union bosses making concessions to management? I have to wonder how much real life experience you have in working union. I've belonged to 4 different unions in my working life. I'm still a full member in good standing with one, though I'm considering withdrawing to the lower retired dues at last.
So are you in favor of stronger unions so they don't have to concede, or getting rid of them?
How many lies and threats did they endure in order to vote against themselves? Was the vote anonymous, and who counted them?Only the workers of the facility get to vote.
Not the general public.
Not management.
Just the workers.
So ultimately, any success or blame lies 100% on the workers.
NLRB voting booths are private and secure and neither the union nor the company can compel any workers vote other than what they freely wish to vote.
Ideally, yes. But sometimes, practically speaking, I understand that's not how things work.It sounds like you're advocating unions where the strength doesn't reside in the upper levels of the hierarchy. Is that what a stronger union means to you?
OK.I didn't say anything about unions bosses "having" to concede anything.
Ideally, yes. But sometimes, practically speaking, I understand that's not how things work.
But that's not really the topic of this thread- which is more of whether unions in general are something bad. The OP did not make any distinction as to what TYPE of union power structure they were talking about.
OK.
NLRB voting booths are private and secure and neither the union nor the company can compel any workers vote other than what they freely wish to vote.
As they should.Only the workers of the facility get to vote.
Not the general public.
Not management.
Just the workers.
So ultimately, any success or blame lies 100% on the workers.
NLRB voting booths are private and secure and neither the union nor the company can compel any workers vote other than what they freely wish to vote.
Some of us are corporate types.
I am a corporate executive in agribusiness.
Unions are a good thing for workers.
True to a large extent.No, they're only good for the members of the labor cartel, which is what a union is. Everyone else loses. Consumers pay higher prices, and other workers aren't allowed to compete for work which has been monopolized by the union.
Really stupid people.BTW, I nearly bought a home in Garner. A beautiful new house in a lovely development.UNION NO!!! in Garner, North Carolina.
At the Garner Amazon facility, 829 yes, 2,447 no.
Union butt slams don’t get worse than that.![]()
Garner is just on the south side of Raleigh City limits. My niece lives just a few miles to the east in the Clayton area and probably gets her packages via that facility.
I figured that the union would lose. I did not expect the epic butt kicking that the union got, considering that this occurred in what is generally a politically blue area in Wake County.
But it holds with the general trend of unions losing ground, now down to just a pathetic 5.9% of the private workforce and continue to fall as a share of the workforce.
The few wins unions are getting are at small Starbucks sized workplaces, which won't get them very far.
It explains a looot.That explains it.
What are you saying then? That unions can be good or bad, depending on one's perspective? That's like saying rain is wet.
Rightists vote the way wealthy people tell them to vote, not in their best interests. They think wealthy people must be intelligent and they want to appear intelligent themselves by agreeing with them.UNION NO!!! in Garner, North Carolina.
At the Garner Amazon facility, 829 yes, 2,447 no.
Union butt slams don’t get worse than that.![]()
Garner is just on the south side of Raleigh City limits. My niece lives just a few miles to the east in the Clayton area and probably gets her packages via that facility.
I figured that the union would lose. I did not expect the epic butt kicking that the union got, considering that this occurred in what is generally a politically blue area in Wake County.
But it holds with the general trend of unions losing ground, now down to just a pathetic 5.9% of the private workforce and continue to fall as a share of the workforce.
The few wins unions are getting are at small Starbucks sized workplaces, which won't get them very far.
True to a large extent.
But to me, this says everyone should join a union.