U.S.Repub1
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Do you think that it is ok to say "One nation under God" in the pledge?
Absolutely.U.S.Repub1 said:Do you think that it is ok to say "One nation under God" in the pledge?
You're aware of the fact that the "Under God" in the pledge was added in The 1950's in order to separate us from the "Godless Communists"?earthworm said:Absolutely.
And this is one of the many things we cannot allow the atheists to change.
Well, of course they can say it - IF THEY WANT TO. But no one should be forced to say it.SHould kids be able to say "One nation under God"
Yes I am aware of that, and it was written by either a communist or socialist in the early 1900s, or something like that. I've been to the house where it was written, in Boston.Engimo said:You're aware of the fact that the "Under God" in the pledge was added in The 1950's in order to separate us from the "Godless Communists"?
exactly.Kandahar said:Another idiotic straw man poll. You can say whatever the hell you want when you say the pledge. You can say "One nation under God" or "One nation" or "Heil Hitler" for all I care. But the official wording of the Pledge of Allegiance (if we must have an official Pledge of Allegiance at all) should not include any reference to God.
Trajan Octavian Titus said:90% of the U.S. population believes in a god in one form or another. The original intent of the first amendment wasn't the seperation of church and state in the first place it was to stop the forced worship of a single religion IE the Church of England which Britian ordered to be the official religion of the Colonies and which they ordered the citizenry to pay dues to. I'm like Jefferson while I don't myself prescribe to the divinity of Christ I realize the important role which religion plays in effecting the morality of the citizenry of our Republic.
Why? "Under God" was added to the pledge of allegiance in 1954 by Congress. So it wasn't even part of the pledge to begin with. Why does your desire to keep it in the pledge outweigh my desire to keep the initial pledge as it was--without the words "under God"?earthworm said:Absolutely.
And this is one of the many things we cannot allow the atheists to change.
Yes, it is OK to say "under God" in the pledge. It is easily Constitutional!U.S.Repub1 said:Do you think that it is ok to say "One nation under God" in the pledge?
Trajan Octavian Titus said:90% of the U.S. population believes in a god in one form or another. The original intent of the first amendment wasn't the seperation of church and state in the first place it was to stop the forced worship of a single religion IE the Church of England which Britian ordered to be the official religion of the Colonies and which they ordered the citizenry to pay dues to. I'm like Jefferson while I don't myself prescribe to the divinity of Christ I realize the important role which religion plays in effecting the morality of the citizenry of our Republic.
If it's so easily Consititutional, then why don't you explain how? Should be simple enough, right?conserv.pat15 said:Yes, it is OK to say "under God" in the pledge. It is easily Constitutional!
Yes, it is quite simple... the establishment clause says that Congress can not make a law respecting(many people misinterpret the word "respecting" in this clause) an establishment of religion. Saying "under God" does not establish a religion. Can you explain why you think "under God" is unconstitutional?Stace said:If it's so easily Consititutional, then why don't you explain how? Should be simple enough, right?
To put it quite simply, because not everyone believes in this God the pledge speaks of.conserv.pat15 said:Yes, it is quite simple... the establishment clause says that Congress can not make a law respecting(many people misinterpret the word "respecting" in this clause) an establishment of religion. Saying "under God" does not establish a religion. Can you explain why you think "under God" is unconstitutional?
Jefferson and Madison were not the only founding fathers as I recall and Jefferson still knew full well the importance that religion played for the morality of the citizenry that's why he volunteered as a minister at his church which he attended regurally.Kandahar said:Jefferson and Madison would both be considered part of the godless-liberal-atheist lobby today, as they fought (unsuccessfully) against even having a taxpayer-funded congressional chaplain. The separation of church and state issues of those days were relatively small compared to the crap that religious zealots are trying to force on us today. Can you imagine the reaction from Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity if a politician today proposed getting rid of the congressional chaplain because it's unconstitutional?
That does not make "under God" unconstitutional.Stace said:To put it quite simply, because not everyone believes in this God the pledge speaks of.
Sure it does. It's respecting only a small group of religious individuals....conserv.pat15 said:That does not make "under God" unconstitutional.
You're misinterpreting the establishment clause and the word "respecting" in that clause.Stace said:Sure it does. It's respecting only a small group of religious individuals....
conserv.pat15 said:You're misinterpreting the establishment clause and the word "respecting" in that clause.
It clearly respects establishment of monotheism as the state approved system. In fact this was the entire reason it was added in the 1950's. To have Americans acknowledge the God of the Ahl al-Kitaab on a daily basis.conserv.pat15 said:Yes, it is quite simple... the establishment clause says that Congress can not make a law respecting(many people misinterpret the word "respecting" in this clause) an establishment of religion. Saying "under God" does not establish a religion. Can you explain why you think "under God" is unconstitutional?