UN Report: Indications of Genocide in Gaza

[Juks]

There are reasonable grounds to believe that Israel has committed acts that can be defined as genocide in Gaza, according to a new UN report. There are also signs of ethnic cleansing, writes Francesca Albanese, UN special rapporteur for the occupied Palestinian territories. "The overwhelming nature and scale of Israel's assault on Gaza and the destructive living conditions it has inflicted reveal an intent to physically destroy Palestinians as a group" .

UN expert accuses Israel of genocide in Gaza

Drawing evidence from various sources including on-site organizations, investigative reports, and consultations with affected individuals, Albanese suggested that Israel had engaged in at least three of the five acts outlined in the UN Genocide Convention

www.tbsnews.net

 

[Nomad4Ever]

I mean they’ve made it basically unlivable in certain areas. There is no where to return TOO and part of their blockade has always been construction materials so they can’t even rebuild. Infrastructure they can’t afford to repair (power generation, water treatment, desalination, etc) is destroyed.

Like there is just no way this isn’t at minimum ethnic cleansing.

 

[RetiredUSN]

There are also signs of ethnic cleansing, writes Francesca Albanese

The darling of the radical anti semitic left across the globe......................Francesca Albanese

If I remember right, a bipartisan group in Congress demanded for her removal last year because of her track record of hate and bias against Israel.

 

[ModernDiogenes]

There are reasonable grounds to believe that Israel has committed acts that can be defined as genocide in Gaza, according to a new UN report. There are also signs of ethnic cleansing, writes Francesca Albanese, UN special rapporteur for the occupied Palestinian territories. "The overwhelming nature and scale of Israel's assault on Gaza and the destructive living conditions it has inflicted reveal an intent to physically destroy Palestinians as a group" .

UN expert accuses Israel of genocide in Gaza

Drawing evidence from various sources including on-site organizations, investigative reports, and consultations with affected individuals, Albanese suggested that Israel had engaged in at least three of the five acts outlined in the UN Genocide Convention

www.tbsnews.net

Facts:

The UN article on genocide sited defines attempted genocide as: "killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to the group's members; and deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part"

By this definition any act of war against any group of people are acts of genocide.

There are 4.3 million “Palestinians” worldwide and 2 million of them live in Gaza. If we take the high estimate of 42,000 dead, and that is Gaza’s estimate, that’s less than 0.5% of the worldwide population and less than 1% of Gaza. Certainly a tragedy, but not unexpected in a state of war.

Less than 1% of a population is hardly genocide.

Let’s get real folks. I’m no fan of Netanyahu. He’s an Israeli Donald Trump. He’s an autocratic leaning leader, under investigation. Likely bound for prison if this hadn’t happened.

What is also true is that actions have consequences. Hamas was elected by the people of Gaza. Bad mistake. Their elected leaders decided to invade a stronger nation they had been firing upon for ages. Increasing already hostile (agreed to the mutuality of that) lack of coexistence. They killed men, women and children, civilians/farmers, in significant number and kidnapped hostages, also civilians, old folks and children and dragged them back across their border.

This is war. Not genocide. Call the thing what it is.

 

[Fabiusbile]

The overwhelming nature and scale of Israel's assault on Gaza and the destructive living conditions it has inflicted reveal an intent to physically destroy Palestinians as a group" .

So what?
Let's be objective... No matter how cruel it sounds. Israel, on a horse called the Holocaust, decided long ago that they could do anything... including the genocide of the Palestinians. And it's no secret to anyone, well, for those who are interested in the question, that Israel wants to destroy the Palestinians as much as possible, at least to evict them... and no one can do anything about it.
For the West, especially for the United States, Israel as an ally is more important than any ethical norms... and the situation with the Palestinians will not change.
The world will have to live with it. They are not the first to be destroyed, and they will not be the last to be destroyed.

 

[Apocalypse]

The darling of the radical anti semitic left across the globe......................Francesca Albanese

If I remember right, a bipartisan group in Congress demanded for her removal last year because of her track record of hate and bias against Israel.

She's an antisemite who claimed the US is controlled by the Jewish lobby, which means people like @Juks adore her.

 

[Apocalypse]

So what?
Let's be objective... No matter how cruel it sounds. Israel, on a horse called the Holocaust, decided long ago that they could do anything... including the genocide of the Palestinians. And it's no secret to anyone, well, for those who are interested in the question, that Israel wants to destroy the Palestinians as much as possible, at least to evict them... and no one can do anything about it.
For the West, especially for the United States, Israel as an ally is more important than any ethical norms... and the situation with the Palestinians will not change.
The world will have to live with it. They are not the first to be destroyed, and they will not be the last to be destroyed.

You will have to live with the fact that Jews exist and even more so they actually defend themselves.

 

[venice_ca]

Facts:

The UN article on genocide sited defines attempted genocide as: "killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to the group's members; and deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part"

By this definition any act of war against any group of people are acts of genocide.

There are 4.3 million “Palestinians” worldwide and 2 million of them live in Gaza. If we take the high estimate of 42,000 dead, and that is Gaza’s estimate, that’s less than 0.5% of the worldwide population and less than 1% of Gaza. Certainly a tragedy, but not unexpected in a state of war.

Less than 1% of a population is hardly genocide.

Let’s get real folks. I’m no fan of Netanyahu. He’s an Israeli Donald Trump. He’s an autocratic leaning leader, under investigation. Likely bound for prison if this hadn’t happened.

What is also true is that actions have consequences. Hamas was elected by the people of Gaza. Bad mistake. Their elected leaders decided to invade a stronger nation they had been firing upon for ages. Increasing already hostile (agreed to the mutuality of that) lack of coexistence. They killed men, women and children, civilians/farmers, in significant number and kidnapped hostages, also civilians, old folks and children and dragged them back across their border.

This is war. Not genocide. Call the thing what it is.

With the ICJ verdict in January 2024, Israel, as the occupier of Gaza, is responsible to see that sufficient humanitarian aid reaches civilians living there as well as enabling basic services. Today the level of humanitarian aid in Gaza is far less than in January, with children dying of starvation in the north, and basic services worse than before. Among NGOs criticizing Israel is Amnesty International — its report released at the end of February, one month after the ICJ verdict. The court’s order is to prevent genocide in Gaza, and Israel has not complied, even drastically limiting the number of aid trucks entering Gaza.

Israel Defying ICJ Ruling to Prevent Genocide by Failing to Allow Adequate Humanitarian Aid to Reach Gaza

Not only has Israel created one of the worst humanitarian crises in the world, but it is also displaying a callous indifference to the fate of Gaza’s population by creating conditions which the ICJ has said places them at imminent risk of genocide.

www.amnestyusa.org

 

[Juks]

She's an antisemite who claimed the US is controlled by the Jewish lobby, which means people like @Juks adore her.

I am not an antisemite which is implied in this post as well as in your post from last friday.

You have an unhealthy hatred of Jewish people.

So stop the bullshit and debate the content of my posts instead.

 

[Tigerace117]

Facts:

The UN article on genocide sited defines attempted genocide as: "killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to the group's members; and deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part"

By this definition any act of war against any group of people are acts of genocide.

There are 4.3 million “Palestinians” worldwide and 2 million of them live in Gaza. If we take the high estimate of 42,000 dead, and that is Gaza’s estimate, that’s less than 0.5% of the worldwide population and less than 1% of Gaza. Certainly a tragedy, but not unexpected in a state of war.

Less than 1% of a population is hardly genocide.

Let’s get real folks. I’m no fan of Netanyahu. He’s an Israeli Donald Trump. He’s an autocratic leaning leader, under investigation. Likely bound for prison if this hadn’t happened.

What is also true is that actions have consequences. Hamas was elected by the people of Gaza. Bad mistake. Their elected leaders decided to invade a stronger nation they had been firing upon for ages. Increasing already hostile (agreed to the mutuality of that) lack of coexistence. They killed men, women and children, civilians/farmers, in significant number and kidnapped hostages, also civilians, old folks and children and dragged them back across their border.

This is war. Not genocide. Call the thing what it is.

It’s a borderline outright genocidal campaign carried out by the state of Israel, which actively seeks to ethnically cleanse Gaza, and has been violating international law via its settlement policy for decades.

Actions have consequences, and Israel’s actions in trying to ethnically cleanse Gaza have clear consequences. Israel should be at least as heavily sanctioned, as, say, Russia is for its choices.

Since we are calling things what they are.

 

[Apocalypse]

So stop the bullshit and debate the content of my posts instead.

Okay.
Why do you open threads to support to opinions of known antisemites who claim that the US is controlled by a Jewish lobby?

 

[Juks]

Okay.
Why do you open threads to support to opinions of known antisemites who claim that the US is controlled by a Jewish lobby?

Everyone that criticizes Israel's behavior towards the Palestinians are called antisemites by Israel, even jews( and for the record even jews in Sweden. ). Several of the jews that has gone public and made statements against Israel's behavoir here in Sweden has received death threats afterwards.

So: I don't know if she is an antisemites but , if you cry wolf to many times.... So I am very much convinced she is not. And she is correct. Israel is carrying out a delobarated genocide. It might be that you prefer them leaving Palestine in front of killing them, but at the end of the day, that is what you are doing.

Here is an essey by Pamjak Mishra that I recommend you to read. He is an Indian writer and essayist, who writes regularly in The New York Times, The Guardian and New Review of Books, among others. In the London Review of Books earlier this year he published this essay.

Pankaj Mishra · The Shoah after Gaza

Memories of Jewish suffering at the hands of Nazis are the foundation on which most descriptions of extreme ideology and...

www.lrb.co.uk

 

[Apocalypse]

Everyone that criticizes Israel's behavior towards the Palestinians are called antisemites by Israel

You don't agree that people who comment saying that the US is controlled by a Jewish lobby are promoting antisemitism?
What do you have against Jewish people?

even jews( and for the record even jews in Sweden. ). Several of the jews that has gone public and made statements against Israel's behavoir here in Sweden has received death threats afterwards.

Assuming that's true, you think that's comparable with death threats anyone who would support Jews remaining alive and not being murdered gets in Sweden?
Sweden is a very antisemitic country currently.

 

[Juks]

You don't agree that people who comment saying that the US is controlled by a Jewish lobby are promoting antisemitism?
What do you have against Jewish people?

Assuming that's true, you think that's comparable with death threats anyone who would support Jews remaining alive and not being murdered gets in Sweden?
Sweden is a very antisemitic country currently.

The US is the country of Lobbyism. I don't know what people you are referring to or how they have expressed themselves, but in the US lobbyists finance politicians and they in return promote the lobbyists' interests. There are off course also jews that want the US to support Israel among those lobbyists, as there are a host of other shifting agendas pushed by various other lobbyists. But this is not a problem in my eyes. The problem is that you can in this system actually buy politicians. There is nothing wrong with lobbyists really, I mean in a sense every association could be considered as lobbyists. It is a big problem when it is personal gains that drive the politicians and set the agenda. If someone said "US is controlled by a Jewish lobby" I agree with you,if you replace the US with the world, that is a direct quote from the Nazis.


I know that there is a lot of antisemites all over the world and in Sweden as well. But I think it looks bigger than it is. What worries me is that it could easily increase. The groups that drive the antisemitic agendas are the radical Christian right (Nazis) and fundamental Islamists. Problem now is that the actions off Israel against the Palestinians gives these groups "breathing room" to spread their agenda to other groups of people. I do not take part in any demonstrations for this reason and this goes for the Jews I know as well. I appriciate the american jews that made one demonstration on their own (Not in my name) but every demosnstration I have watched even one (here in Sweden) where some jews actually participated has been highjaked by these antisemitic groups and they use them to display their slogans and making people less informed to actually participate in them.

I believe there was a demonstration in the Netherlands on the memorial day of the holocasts for example. That is as tasteless and disrespectful as it can get and it seemed to me (watching news) that actually "normal people" participated. Boundaries are moved and blurred.

It is very worrying and both you and I have a responsiblity to do what we can to counteract these tendencies. A way to do that is for you to recognize that Criticism of Israel's policies is not anti-Semitism and for me to recognize that prejudice and hatred against Jews sometimes appear in the debate about the Israel-Palestine conflict and even that the State of Israel in certain contexts is a target for stereotypical images and anti-Semitism.

And for both of us to be very clear in our postings so that we do not fall into the trap and express this on our own and thus reinforces the image of the conflict as a conflict with Jews versus non-Jews.

 

[Craig234]

 

[ModernDiogenes]

With the ICJ verdict in January 2024, Israel, as the occupier of Gaza, is responsible to see that sufficient humanitarian aid reaches civilians living there as well as enabling basic services. Today the level of humanitarian aid in Gaza is far less than in January, with children dying of starvation in the north, and basic services worse than before. Among NGOs criticizing Israel is Amnesty International — its report released at the end of February, one month after the ICJ verdict. The court’s order is to prevent genocide in Gaza, and Israel has not complied, even drastically limiting the number of aid trucks entering Gaza.

Israel Defying ICJ Ruling to Prevent Genocide by Failing to Allow Adequate Humanitarian Aid to Reach Gaza

Not only has Israel created one of the worst humanitarian crises in the world, but it is also displaying a callous indifference to the fate of Gaza’s population by creating conditions which the ICJ has said places them at imminent risk of genocide.

www.amnestyusa.org

On the lets get real front again. Gaza is Israeli territory. It remains so regardless that the Israeli gov’t gave over governing control to the Arabic population living there. They didn’t cede the land. It’s still belongs to Israel. There were plans to eventually do so. Not acted on yet and we know why, and it involves acts of both parties involved. You can’t militarily occupy land you own.

The ICJ, like the UN, is a joke. It’s why the United States doesn’t recognize its authority or its jurisdiction.

 

[ModernDiogenes]

So what?
Let's be objective... No matter how cruel it sounds. Israel, on a horse called the Holocaust, decided long ago that they could do anything... including the genocide of the Palestinians. And it's no secret to anyone, well, for those who are interested in the question, that Israel wants to destroy the Palestinians as much as possible, at least to evict them... and no one can do anything about it.
For the West, especially for the United States, Israel as an ally is more important than any ethical norms... and the situation with the Palestinians will not change.
The world will have to live with it. They are not the first to be destroyed, and they will not be the last to be destroyed.

Again, dying Hamas figures, less that 1% of the population of Gaza. Less that 0.5% of those who identify as “Palestinians”. Not remotely “genocide” levels.

People who claim Israel is involved in genocide are making things up.

 

[doc45]

Sorry, you lost any semblance of objectivity with "UN Report".

 

[ModernDiogenes]

See above. Less than 1% total population of Gaza. It’s tragic but not genocide. Not even close.

 

[noonereal]

There are reasonable grounds to believe that Israel has committed acts that can be defined as genocide in Gaza, according to a new UN report. There are also signs of ethnic cleansing, writes Francesca Albanese, UN special rapporteur for the occupied Palestinian territories. "The overwhelming nature and scale of Israel's assault on Gaza and the destructive living conditions it has inflicted reveal an intent to physically destroy Palestinians as a group" .

UN expert accuses Israel of genocide in Gaza

Drawing evidence from various sources including on-site organizations, investigative reports, and consultations with affected individuals, Albanese suggested that Israel had engaged in at least three of the five acts outlined in the UN Genocide Convention

www.tbsnews.net

Old news plus it's common sense.

 

[Craig234]

See above. Less than 1% total population of Gaza. It’s tragic but not genocide. Not even close.

How many Gazans have had their food, water, and healthcare blocked and destroyed? How many are facing man-made famine? You should learn the definition of genocide. It's tedious repeating the same thing. Have you read the ICJ case and ruling about the topic that they are committing genocide?

 

[noonereal]

Sorry, you lost any semblance of objectivity with "UN Report".

Good God. What Fox, Trump have done to the minds of Americans.

 

[Craig234]

Sorry, you lost any semblance of objectivity with "UN Report".

Sorry, you lost any semblance of objectivity with that post.

 

[doc45]

Good God. What Fox, Trump have done to the minds of Americans.

Except that I never voted for or supported him or watch FOX, and am and have always been a classical liberal. Emote again while pretending I'm the fool ...

 

[Craig234]

Again, dying Hamas figures, less that 1% of the population of Gaza. Less that 0.5% of those who identify as “Palestinians”. Not remotely “genocide” levels.

You don't get to make up your own definition.

People who claim Israel is involved in genocide are making things up.

Why Israel’s war on Gaza is textbook genocide. - JVP

Israel is committing genocide — and Israel’s prosecution under international law matters for our movement.

www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org