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Hopefully this will spur some answers about the incident.The United Nations Human Rights Council has appointed a team to investigate Israel's deadly raid on a Gaza-bound aid flotilla in May.
The team will consist of three independent experts: Sir Desmond de Silva of Britain, Karl Hudson-Phillips of Trinidad and Tobago, and Mary Shanth Dairiam of Malaysia, the UN body said on Friday.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAUN names flotilla inquiry panel - Middle East - Al Jazeera English
Hopefully this will spur some answers about the incident.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Yeah, "Answers"... I got your Answers all ready.
Isreal was wrong. That's the outcome, period.
I think this might be the one thing we agree on. I knew Israel was full of **** on this issue when they showed photos of all the "weapons" they found on the ship. Anyone can make a bunch of kitchen knives and monkey wrenches look like weapons if you pile them all together. There was even a ****ING ANCHOR in that picure.
Yes they should. They should be praised and recognized for the aid they give them. For every step they have taken to protect civilians during necessary military conflicts, and the fact that they violated the rights of Jews in order to give the Palestinians 100% control of Gaza.Israel should be held accountable for what they've done to Gaza.
UN names flotilla inquiry panel - Middle East - Al Jazeera English
Hopefully this will spur some answers about the incident.
UN names flotilla inquiry panel - Middle East - Al Jazeera English
Hopefully this will spur some answers about the incident.
They wont because Israel will stonewall them and deny access to evidence (Israel has yet to return the personal effects from the boat...), all in while declaring the UN are biased against them and blam Hamas or even the UN for the action they were "forced" to do.
In the mean time the Israeli "investigation" will clear them fully of anything illegal as they almost always do the first time. It is usually when Israel is exposed in a lie that the "investigations" actually find patsy to charge.
And in the mean time, as you can see in this thread, the usual suspects will spread the normal IDF propaganda to slur the actual truth and in the end when that does not work, call people opposed to their views for anti-semtic jew haters and worse.... they have after all already started in the second post made.
Same old same old in that conflict and on these boards.
Actually Pete I think it was clear to anyone from the beginning, including to you, that the activists were the ones behind the violence on the ship.
It's just that there are those who even in the face of a video showing the activists beating soldiers up with crowbars and knives would prefer to deny the truth for the sake of their campaign of propaganda against the Israeli state.
I think this might be the one thing we agree on. I knew Israel was full of **** on this issue when they showed photos of all the "weapons" they found on the ship. Anyone can make a bunch of kitchen knives and monkey wrenches look like weapons if you pile them all together. There was even a ****ING ANCHOR in that picure.
Israel should be held accountable for what they've done to Gaza.
Anyone can make a knives and clubs look like weapons when we have the mother ****ing video of the peaceful flotilla members stabbing and beating Israeli weapons inspectors with them.
UN names flotilla inquiry panel - Middle East - Al Jazeera English
Hopefully this will spur some answers about the incident.
You are talking about the truth, and yet you are the one that is spreading the propaganda of the IDF and demeaning any independent investigation .. why? is it because the IDF and Israeli government refuse to cooperate.. yet again?
Independent investigation =/= international investigation.
In your crusade of hatred towards the Jewish state you have taken away its trait as a democracy and refuse to believe that an independent inquiry led by Israelis would reach the truth as it was.
The evidence released by the IDF, the footage videos, and even the ones released by the activists, indicate that the activists were behind the violence and have planned it all along, something which should be clear when the violence is only limited to one single boat out of the 6 boats, and when the injured are limited to only one single nationality.
I repeat my statement that you obviously know just as good as the other guy that the activists have planned to incite violence, yet you choose to promote propaganda instead.
No, but the country is not managing the inquiry, it's an independent inquiry.Just because a country is a democracy does not mean that it can not hide the truth for its own benefit.
The IDF has taken cameras and photos because they might include pictures of the soldiers, pictures that the activists could spread on the media, and some of them did.Time and time again, we see democratic states hide evidence to show the world a certain point of view to justify everything from internal policy to external. Remember the Vietnam war and how it started? all based on a lie and because the US government hid the evidence. And like it or not, it is not the first time that the IDF has moulded evidence to fit the view point they have on a situation.
You personally won't get the evidence, you have no right to such evidence and you won't see it, the Turkel inquiry will see the evidence and will decide from it on what really happened.And I repeat my statement I want all the evidence so we can create a credible time line to show WHEN the violence started and by who.
BS, it shows activists attacking soldiers and the soldiers not replying with live ammunition, it shows that the soldiers have acted with restraint and it backs their claim that they've only used live ammunition once that was directed towards them.All you have is edited footage showing people either defending themselves or attacking IDF troops.
I see you label yourself as "the most biased hack", since you're saying that only they can make a conclusion, and here you are making a conclusion that those 9 were murdered by the IDF.and not having all the information means only the most biased hacks can make a conclusions on what happened. All we can be confident on is that the IDF murdered 9 people.
UN names flotilla inquiry panel - Middle East - Al Jazeera English
Hopefully this will spur some answers about the incident.
They wont because Israel will stonewall them and deny access to evidence (Israel has yet to return the personal effects from the boat...), all in while declaring the UN are biased against them and blam Hamas or even the UN for the action they were "forced" to do.
In the mean time the Israeli "investigation" will clear them fully of anything illegal as they almost always do the first time. It is usually when Israel is exposed in a lie that the "investigations" actually find patsy to charge.
And in the mean time, as you can see in this thread, the usual suspects will spread the normal IDF propaganda to slur the actual truth and in the end when that does not work, call people opposed to their views for anti-semtic jew haters and worse.... they have after all already started in the second post made.
Same old same old in that conflict and on these boards.
Just because a country is a democracy does not mean that it can not hide the truth for its own benefit. Unlike you, I have no blind faith in the state. Time and time again, we see democratic states hide evidence to show the world a certain point of view to justify everything from internal policy to external. Remember the Vietnam war and how it started? all based on a lie and because the US government hid the evidence. And like it or not, it is not the first time that the IDF has moulded evidence to fit the view point they have on a situation.
And the evidence released by Beierbart showed that Shirley Sherrod was a racist... ups!. Evidence released by Fox News showed Kerry and Fonda in the same picture at an anti-Vietnam war march... ups.. that was fake.
And I repeat my statement I want all the evidence so we can create a credible time line to show WHEN the violence started and by who. All you have is edited footage showing people either defending themselves or attacking IDF troops.. it is a fine line, and not having all the information means only the most biased hacks can make a conclusions on what happened. All we can be confident on is that the IDF murdered 9 people.
No, but the country is not managing the inquiry, it's an independent inquiry.
The reason why you see it in a bad eye is because the independent inquiry is managed by Israelis, that is the truth.
The IDF has taken cameras and photos because they might include pictures of the soldiers, pictures that the activists could spread on the media, and some of them did.
Those soldiers are commandos and their identity must be kept a secret.
All of the evidence captured on the ship would be brought however and presented in front of the Turkel inquiry.
Besides that, the video of one hour+- released by one of the activists indicates the same thing that the footage videos showing the activists beating the soldiers do.
You personally won't get the evidence, you have no right to such evidence and you won't see it, the Turkel inquiry will see the evidence and will decide from it on what really happened.
BS, it shows activists attacking soldiers and the soldiers not replying with live ammunition, it shows that the soldiers have acted with restraint and it backs their claim that they've only used live ammunition once that was directed towards them.
I see you label yourself as "the most biased hack", since you're saying that only they can make a conclusion, and here you are making a conclusion that those 9 were murdered by the IDF.
I think there's enough evidence to back the claim that the activists have incited the violence, and I have a lot to base that on unlike your own baseless conclusions.
No, anti-Semitism is holding sentiments against Jews.LOL now you call me an anti-semite.. I should report you but some how I expect nothing to come of that.
Exactly what I said. Hey look, you've just called yourself an anti-Semite. :lol:An inquiry set up by the Israeli government will never be independent enough for god sake.
Who's the other side lol?Have you ever heard of conflict of interest? I know it is an alien thing for most American's but you live on this side of the pond so you should at least have heard of the concept. The other side will never ever accept the findings, just like Israel would never ever accept any independent inquiry set up by Hamas.
Well like it or not the body doing the inquiry is the same body behind the Goldstone committee, and it is a body that the majority of its work, which is supposed to be international, was centered on Israel.That is why we need an international inquiry where non of the sides involved in the dispute are sitting on the judging panel.
And we have evidence that shows that Turk along with the rest of the people on board of the top deck attacking soldiers, so excuse me for not showing compassion towards those who try to stab soldiers with knives and throw them off decks.LOL what a lame excuse. Great way to protect the guilty.. sorry we can reveal who it is, but yes he did shoot the Turk 5 times in the head.
Actually I'm not sure there was so much evidence from the activist's side to begin with.Wanna bet? For one, how do we know that the evidence present is all the evidence available? After all the IDF has been sitting on it for months now.
Yeah, just as it is beyond doubt that the world is flat and that the honey bee weights 500 kilograms on average.And so what?
Listen we are not debating about if the activists attacked the IDF troops, that is beyond doubt in my opinion. Just as it is beyond doubt that the IDF troopers should never have been there and they reacted very unprofessionally.
The activists have also said that they haven't attacked soldiers, I see no reason to believe their assertions.What I, and many others are very interested in, is the differences in what that activists are saying and what the IDF is saying. For example there are reports that people were shot dead even before the IDF troops hit the deck of the ship. If people were already shot before the IDF troops hit the deck, then that could very well explain why the IDF troops were attacked.. people were defending themselves against a hostile force that already had killed a few. Without all evidence gathered from all sides and a credible time-line, then we will never know and this dispute will go down in a long line unresolved disputes that will rot away any form of possible peace in the region. It has already all but destroyed the relationship between Turkey and Israel for one.
The Israeli investigations carries those traits. It's a transparent fully independent investigation that involves international observers in it.Never asked for it personally. I want the world to have the evidence and via a fully independent investigation.
Throughout the history of the modern warfare, when was a country investigated by an international committee?And yes that means, no Palestinians, no Turks and no Israelis on the investigation panel.
The footage is consecutive so I have no idea what you're talking about, but besides that the activists have released their own edited footage which unsurprisingly has failed to base their own version of the incident.It shows one view. Just as the edited footage of the Department of Agriculture woman showed her as a racist, where as the full version did not show anything remotely that way. The IDF have already admitted that the footage they released is edited. Footage taken by the activists could help a lot, but only selected bits have been released by the IDF... of course confirming their view.
We don't know if they were all killed by the soldiers.So they killed themselves? And when you take some ones life then it is murder/homicide. Now that murder can be justified as in self defence or in war, but it is still murder/homicide. Even if you kill someone by accident, it is still classified as murder/homicide.
The countless of videos and the contradicting statements from the activists, yes, that is enough evidence not merely to base it but to make it obvious.You have a lot to base it on.. what exactly? The IDF press releases and what you see on an edited grainy video .. released by the IDF? Seriously..
What about the videos the perpetrators posted on their website where they bragged about stabbing Israelis?Very little is really known about what happened except for the Israeli version
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