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Ukrainian Sovereignty Was The Paramount "Western Value" That Was The Driver In Western Support Of The War. ( until it wasn't )

You think the Ukrainian's suffering will stop if Putin achieves his ambition to annex the country? Given the amount of opposition he faces I wouldn't be at all surprised if he began offing his political opponents, as he usually does. America is enabling the murderous bastard, and all because of Trump's greed for Ukraine's mineral resources.
Putin's ambition to annex Ukraine has been thwarted by the Ukrainians, the US and world at large. As with everyone who complains about a peace deal, there solution is to keep the destruction and death going on indefinitely because its no skin off your nose.
 
That’s like claiming Poland or France weren’t nations after the Nazis invaded....when their actions show otherwise extremely clearly.

Explained ad nauseum....

Estonians, Latvians, Lithuanians weren't nations after the Soviet invasion nor under Nazi occupation.
 
Tearful sniveling - A lie.

No-one here regrets Nazis and their allies failing. Another lie.
All that blubbering about the communists crushing the Nazis and their allies shows that to be a lie.
 
Explained ad nauseum....

Estonians, Latvians, Lithuanians weren't nations after the Soviet invasion nor under Nazi occupation.
Gee, so France wasn’t a nation after 1940?

Too ****ing funny 😂
 
Estonians, Latvians, Lithuanians weren't nations after the Soviet invasion nor under Nazi occupation.
So France wasn’t a nation once Germany occupied it?

That’s clearly a laughable falsehood.
 
Your rather stupid misinterpretation about my stance on the USSR has been noted numerous times.
Your rather stupid admiration for the Nazis and utter despair that the Soviets crushed them has been displayed numerous times.
 
Putin's ambition to annex Ukraine has been thwarted by the Ukrainians, the US and world at large. As with everyone who complains about a peace deal, there solution is to keep the destruction and death going on indefinitely because its no skin off your nose.
What Trump and Putin are attempting is 'peace' on Putin's terms-with a juicy bit of extortion as a garnish. Trump isn't interested in peace; he's interested in how much money he could shaft Ukraine for with his laughably one-sided minerals 'deal'.
 
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It’s fascinating to see an American president abandon Europe for Russia.
It's simply more evidence-as if any were needed-that Trump's only interest is in Ukraine's mineral resources, and how much he can shaft them for. 'Peace', as far as Trump is concerned is just something to get out of the way of the cash grab-and on Putin's terms. Trump cares for nothing and nobody; except money, power and having his grotesque ego massaged.
His empty campaign promises come to nothing, his pledges are meaningless rhetoric for the consumption of the gullible.
 
What Trump and Putin are attempting is 'peace' on Putin's terms-with a juicy bit of extortion as a garnish. Trump isn't interested in peace; he's interested in how much money he could shaft Ukraine for with his laughably one-sided minerals 'deal'.
When did Ukraine get shafted?

Congress appropriated $174.2 billion through the five Ukraine supplemental appropriation acts enacted FY 2022 through FY 2024, of which $163.6 billion was allocated for OAR and the Ukraine response, and $10.6 billion was allocated for other, primarily humanitarian, purposes.

I'd like to get shafted for just 1 million.

Unlike our other leaders Trump believes if we 'save' a country with our treasure we should be compensated. I don't have a problem with that. With all lending banks at some time the note comes due. The mineral deal would assure protection of Ukraine and bring desperately needed money to rebuild Ukraine. Trumps actions have always been consistent with wanting peace. When did the left become such war hawks? All the left is saying is give war, death and destruction a chance!
 
Back to Russia, Russia, Russia. Amazing how folks on the side lines with a nice home, hot and cold running water and plenty of food minus any bombs going off want the suffering to continue indefinitely. Not that they have any stake in it. No skin off their nose.
I want the choice for when Ukrainians stop fighting for their own country to be up to Ukrainians.
 
I want the choice for when Ukrainians stop fighting for their own country to be up to Ukrainians.
I agree if they wish to continue fighting to the last person that's up to them. Do you think that is a good strategy?
 
I agree if they wish to continue fighting to the last person that's up to them. Do you think that is a good strategy?
It’s up to them, it is their country. At what point would you surrender America to Putin?
 
I want the choice for when Ukrainians stop fighting for their own country to be up to Ukrainians.


On whose dime? The war takes billions of dollars a month to run. Which billions Ukraine does not have. Its like a kid telling its parent the decision to drive a Lamborghini is his, even though he has no dime and expects the parent to pay
 
I agree if they wish to continue fighting to the last person that's up to them. Do you think that is a good strategy?


The problem is the war costs billions of dollars a month to run. Ukrainian wishes are nothing without the billions. He who pays the piper calls the tunes. Unless Ukraine can find its own line of credit it cannot insist the choice is hers and the bill US'
 
Never. I assume that sounded clever when you first typed it.


Lol the war mongers are very good at "when did you stop beating your wife" accusations:)
 
Never. I assume that sounded clever when you first typed it.
Then why should Ukrainians surrender part of their country to him?

Russia is our oldest enemy and it is run by a criminal. Our support of Ukraine has not cost any American lives, yet, it has resulted in Russia, our oldest enemy, being utterly decimated. Why would we not continue to support Ukraine as long as they are willing to fight for their country?
 
On whose dime? The war takes billions of dollars a month to run. Which billions Ukraine does not have. Its like a kid telling its parent the decision to drive a Lamborghini is his, even though he has no dime and expects the parent to pay
Russia is our oldest enemy and it is run by a criminal. Our support of Ukraine has resulted in the decimating of Russia. We support Ukraine as long as they are willing to fight for their own country and our enemy Russia is crippled in the process, what is the problem?
 
Then why should Ukrainians surrender part of their country to him?
They shouldn't. The question is why should we continue to send money and munitions to keep a war going in perpetuity?

Russia is our oldest enemy and it is run by a criminal. Our support of Ukraine has not cost any American lives, yet, it has resulted in Russia, our oldest enemy, being utterly decimated. Why would we not continue to support Ukraine as long as they are willing to fight for their country?

If it was our intent for Ukraine to win the war and force Russia back to its border I would support that. I'm not in favor of supporting a war of attrition and creating just enough balance of power so the death and destruction continues indefinitely.
 
The blood of the free people of Ukraine is on their hands.

They have no ethics.

When it comes to international relations few do imo BUT the sidelining of Zelensky by the Trump administration should be seen in that strange Trumpian context whereby he doesn't/can't really hide things the way the regular puppets do.
 
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