Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky Bans 11 Opposition Parties

[RetiredUSN]

Sadat's assassination was in 1981, after the Afghan jihad had gotten going. That's when the assassins and co-conspirators were tracked to those places.
Jihadists and other radicals fleeing to Afghanistan before then would be no different than Nazis fleeing to South America -- no particular fight over there to join.
The jihad threat from Afghanistan was created by the US financing that war during the 1980s. That was part of the Road to 9/11.

I'm saying that the same could happen from the US fueling & financing a guerrilla war in Ukraine, right on Eastern Europe's doorstep, and it could destabilize Europe - at least the eastern part of it.

There's a tank driver job ready for you in Russia.

 

[sanman]

Have you looked at the parties that has been banned and cross referenced them against the members of parliaments' parties? I did. I'm not going to do it again to prove it; sorry, you'll have to do your own research. But I did so I knew how frustrated I should be about this. There's no cross section. They seem to be small, fringe parties that are very pro-Russia.

What criteria makes one branded as pro-Russia? And why is it a disqualification for being a party?

So can a political party in the US be labeled "pro-Canada" if it favors Canadian style healthcare? And does that mean the party deserves to be banned?
Can a political party be called "pro-Mexico" if it favors open borders, or supports lots of work visas for Mexicans? Does that mean the party should be banned?

You're just vaguely waving around this phrase "pro-Russia" and using that as a carte-blanche justification for outlawing them.
If those are their political views, then those are their political views. If you're trying to ban someone for having political views you don't like, then you may as well be running a dictatorship, since you'll only allow others to have views that are held by you.

That being said, free speech is an incredibly important aspect of democracy. Though I understand why he did it, that it's not some totalitarian state trying to hush his opponents, I do believe that Ukraine has not done enough to prove themselves a true NATO country and that an application to join NATO should, for now, be denied. We in the free world should continue to support Ukraine. Their reasons for the ban is incredibly understandable. But we don't ban political parties in the US. We have some really extreme groups out here. It's disgusting. It's a cost of freedom.

So yes, that wasn't good of Zelensky to do. It also wasn't bad of him to do. His nation is under severe stress right now, like I cannot begin to imagine. But silencing a minority is not the solution and it's not how democracy works. It sets a precedence that could someday be dangerous. Again, it doesn't make Zelensky a bad guy, or Ukraine totalitarian. The right wing in the US have pounced on this like it was an act in a vacuum. It wasn't. There are some pretty darn good justifications.

Zelensky is formalizing it right now, but he'd actually banned these other parties and imprisoned their leaders before Putin invaded. It was actually a reason why Putin invaded.

 

[Deuce]

Eastern Ukraine used to be part of Russia.
Western Ukraine used to be part of Poland (which is itself now part of EU & NATO). Therefore 2014 street coup by supporters of membership in EU/NATO were traitors against the majority-elected govt which did not want to be part of EU & NATO. They unlawfully seized power away from everyone else.

Also, by your standard, those in Kosovo trying to break away from Serbia were traitors for welcoming invading forces from the United States and NATO.
But you want to play double standards.

Texas used to be part of Mexico.

 

[sanman]

Texas used to be part of Mexico.

Texas is part of the United States, and it's the Left who are trying to import more people from Mexico into Texas and elsewhere.
According to your logic, the Russians who are entering into Ukraine without permission should be given free healthcare by Ukrainian taxpayers instead of expelled.
Russians entering into Ukraine should be flown to other parts of the country on Ukrainian airlines, based on the Biden admin's track record.

 

[jaeger19]

Texas is part of the United States, and it's the Left who are trying to import more people from Mexico into Texas and elsewhere.
According to your logic, the Russians who are entering into Ukraine without permission should be given free healthcare by Ukrainian taxpayers instead of expelled.
Russians entering into Ukraine should be flown to other parts of the country on Ukrainian airlines, based on the Biden admin's track record.

According to your logic. Mexico should invade the US and take back Texas, Arizona, new mexico and california... because historically it was mexico.

In fact.. under your premise.. we should be welcoming illegal immigrants from mexico into the country because.. well it used to be theirs.

 

[Roadvirus]

There's a tank driver job ready for you in Russia.

That's as bad a threat as a Nazi soldier being threatened with being "assigned" to the Russian Front.

 

[Roadvirus]

Zelensky is formalizing it right now, but he'd actually banned these other parties and imprisoned their leaders before Putin invaded. It was actually a reason why Putin invaded.

Show your work.

 

[Deuce]

Texas is part of the United States,

Ukraine is not part of Russia.

 

[sanman]

Ukraine is not part of Russia.

Everything east of the Dniepr historically was, especially Crimea & Donbass.

 

[Deuce]

Everything east of the Dniepr historically was, especially Crimea & Donbass.

Texas historically was part of Mexico.

 

[What if...?]

So you're saying that Zelensky did in fact ban Nazi groups, just because Rebel said he didn't??
All news sources on this story have identically state which groups he banned, and none of them mention bans on any Neo-Nazi groups, so it's pretty reasonable to say that he didn't include them in his ban, just as he didn't include the Swedish Bikini Team in his ban. But rather than accept that reasonable fact, you instead stoop to Whataboutery over the name of the source, to deflect away from the facts?

Have we dealt with the white supremacists in our military yet?

Seems we shouldn’t judge until we do…

 

[What if...?]

Eastern Ukraine used to be part of Russia.
Western Ukraine used to be part of Poland (which is itself now part of EU & NATO). Therefore 2014 street coup by supporters of membership in EU/NATO were traitors against the majority-elected govt which did not want to be part of EU & NATO. They unlawfully seized power away from everyone else.

Also, by your standard, those in Kosovo trying to break away from Serbia were traitors for welcoming invading forces from the United States and NATO.
But you want to play double standards.

And we stole the whole country from the native Americans.

You would certainly be ok with them taking it back by force, right? Not that they could, but it’s the same “they were here first” argument you’re making.

 

[sanman]

And we stole the whole country from the native Americans.

You would certainly be ok with them taking it back by force, right? Not that they could, but it’s the same “they were here first” argument you’re making.

East was always part of Russia right up to WW2 - and the western part was with USSR since after WW2 until end of USSR.

 

[sanman]

Have we dealt with the white supremacists in our military yet?

Seems we shouldn’t judge until we do…

Don't be judging the Russians then, either. You seem to be rather selective on whom you don't want to judge.
It's a family fight, let them sort it out.

 

[What if...?]

East was always part of Russia right up to WW2 - and the western part was with USSR since after WW2 until end of USSR.

So what? Nations and flags rarely if ever truly serve their populations. And the only universal constant is change.

King types need to get over themselves. We don’t like it anymore.

 

[Deuce]

Don't be judging the Russians then, either. You seem to be rather selective on whom you don't want to judge.
It's a family fight, let them sort it out.

I judge people who murder innocent children and I'm not going to stop because you whine about it.

 

[What if...?]

Don't be judging the Russians then, either. You seem to be rather selective on whom you don't want to judge.
It's a family fight, let them sort it out.

When the family fight goes to blows we intervene. It’s not ok to beat your wife or kids. Or stab your husband to death in his sleep.

Really dumb tack you’re taking here.

 

[ClaraD]

Because the US installed its own govt in Kyiv in 2014, turning it into a bulwark against Russia right on its doorstep.
How did the US react to Soviet missiles in Cuba? The US was ready to start WW3 over that. The US didn't care that Cuba and Moscow were engaging in voluntary mutual cooperation, because the US felt threatened by that, and was ready to wage war over it. US tried to invade Cuba multiple times.

US also invaded Serbia, in case you hadn't noticed.
US invaded Iraq too.
Afghanistan had no jihadists, until the US spent billions of dollars creating them in the 80s. What do you call that?

Your reasoning: "When I invade someone, it's all good. When someone else does it, then it's bad"

Um, in case you forgot...in the 80s it was Russia that invaded Afghanistan. So, while yes we armed what became AL Qaeda it was Russia that invaded them.

 

[ClaraD]

It has to do with the United States supporting Zelensky while he does this. Opposite moral standards for these 2 cases. And remember, the United States is the reason Zelensky is even in power in the first place.

While he does what? Defend his country like real patriots do? Pro Brits were actually hung in the US during the Revolution...we didn't just temporarily ban them.

 

[The Mark]

The little fascist has banned the opposition parties and shut down 3 TV stations that were critical of him. This was in effect since before Putin's invasion, but now Zelensky has made it official.
Such a great hero of "democracy"
If this is "democracy", then what does autocracy from him look like?

Ukraine suspends 11 political parties with links to Russia

Zelenskiy says parties such as Viktor Medvedchuk’s Opposition Platform for Life are ‘aimed at division or collusion’

www.theguardian.com

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky bans 11 opposition parties

Despite the crackdown on political opposition, the Ukrainian leader did not ban any parties with links to neo-Nazis, including the ethnonationalist Svoboda and neo-fascist group Right Sector.

www.rebelnews.com

Suspended, not banned.
And because they were working with the forces invading his country.

It's a "no ****ing duh, of course he did" thing.

If it was us, we'd probably lock their members in an "internment camp" somewhere.

Because we've done it before, and not for anything as overt as political party membership, just because they had come from a certain area of the world.