A peace deal under which Ukraine abandons its Nato aspirations in return for Russian withdrawal and western security guarantees appeared to inch closer on Wednesday even as Vladimir Putin’s troops were accused of killing people queueing for bread in a northern Ukrainian city.
Russia’s foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, and the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, suggested talks were making progress despite continued bloodshed and fears from some EU leaders that the Kremlin was toying with Kyiv.
“The negotiations are not easy for obvious reasons,” Lavrov told RBC News. “But nevertheless, there is some hope of reaching a compromise. “Neutral status is now being seriously discussed seriously along, of course, with security guarantees. This is what is now being discussed at the talks. There are absolutely specific wordings and, in my view, the sides are close to agreeing on them.”
Russia and Ukraine ‘close to agreeing’ on neutral status, says Sergei Lavrov
Foreign minister’s claim undermined by aggressive comments from Vladimir Putinwww.theguardian.com
I hope there is a negotiated settlement as soon as possible and a de escalation of the violence along the lines mentioned above. It is a realistic solution to end the conflict and one that should have been thrashed out long before the resort to war.
it appears that Ukraine is considering neutral status in return for an end to the invasion, security safeguards and entry into the EU
The danger is that many people don't want the war to end and even want it to escalate.
Recall that the Libyan civil war was all but over when the hawks decided to misuse a UNSC resolution so as to induce a regime change there. Since then the country has descended into chaos and war that has claimed many more lives
Resist the hawks, they have no respect for life . This has been and continues to be an awful situation but let's not blow the whole world up because of it.
They already had an agreement with Russia. Russia broke it. My opinion is Russia is waiting for aid from elsewhere.
Ukraine should settle for nothing less than Russia's full withdrawal to the ceasefire line, Russia's return of all troops to their original deployment before the buildups, no limitations on the size and weapons in Ukraine's army and air force, a special tax on Russian pipeline usage to repay for damages, and the arrest and trial of Russian war criminals.
"Security wording" is meaningless to Russian scum. Twice Russia has affirmed these assurances, and now they do this.
My hope is that Zelensky settles for nothing less, and that if he does not get it then we should all look forward to the arrival of the SS-14 anti aircraft systems and Switchblade drones, and other unspecified long range attack options promised by the US.
Putin and Russia have to learn a lesson, a loss of another 1500 vehicles and 4 generals seems most fitting.
The same could be said for the Ukrainian side. I bet when Russia gave those assurances it didn't foresee its naval base at savastopol becoming a NATO base nor the possibility of NATO missile batteries all along its border with Ukraine.
That time has passed and we can only deal with the now.
So are you saying you want the war to continue? If so why so?
IMO you cannot wail about the people being killed and cheer for the war to continue thus ensuring more victims
Ain't going to happen so you might as well stop the killing now.
As I said to the last poster, you cannot wail about the deaths of civilians whilst at the same time wanting the war to continue and create even more deaths.
Your imploring of more weapons will only create the chance for even more vicious tactics/weapons from Russia
Hawks don't care about life, the support wars instead which take lives.
You are a hawk and thus cannot be taken seriously imo about your alleged concern for the victims of war
Can you really call it an agreement if you had to bomb the other guy to get it?Russia and Ukraine ‘close to agreeing’ on neutral status, says Sergei Lavrov
Foreign minister’s claim undermined by aggressive comments from Vladimir Putinwww.theguardian.com
I hope there is a negotiated settlement as soon as possible and a de escalation of the violence along the lines mentioned above. It is a realistic solution to end the conflict and one that should have been thrashed out long before the resort to war.
it appears that Ukraine is considering neutral status in return for an end to the invasion, security safeguards and entry into the EU
The danger is that many people don't want the war to end and even want it to escalate.
Recall that the Libyan civil war was all but over when the hawks decided to misuse a UNSC resolution so as to induce a regime change there. Since then the country has descended into chaos and war that has claimed many more lives
Resist the hawks, they have no respect for life . This has been and continues to be an awful situation but let's not blow the whole world up because of it.
And we all know you are shill for the bully, an advocate for the devil. Your record stands here, you shall never be permitted to forget it.
Can you really call it an agreement if you had to bomb the other guy to get it?
No agreement obtained by violent force is valid for the victim. The victim may, with honor, ignore it at some future date.Can you really call it an agreement if you had to bomb the other guy to get it?
Unlike you I am for Ukraine to exist as a democracy.The same could be said for the Ukrainian side. I bet when Russia gave those assurances it didn't foresee its naval base at savastopol becoming a NATO base nor the possibility of NATO missile batteries all along its border with Ukraine.
That time has passed and we can only deal with the now.
So are you saying you want the war to continue? If so why so?
IMO you cannot wail about the people being killed and cheer for the war to continue thus ensuring more victims
Ain't going to happen so you might as well stop the killing now.
As I said to the last poster, you cannot wail about the deaths of civilians whilst at the same time wanting the war to continue and create even more deaths.
Your imploring of more weapons will only create the chance for even more vicious tactics/weapons from Russia
Hawks don't care about life, the support wars instead which take lives.
You are a hawk and thus cannot be taken seriously imo about your alleged concern for the victims of war
Can you really call it an agreement if you had to bomb the other guy to get it?
No agreement obtained by violent force is valid for the victim. The victim may, with honor, ignore it at some future date.
And why would Putin accept such a deal and lose face? There needs to be a realistic deal that prevents the continued suffering and turning of Ukraine into a failed state, not one that has no chance of succeeding and will just make Russia double down.Ukraine should settle for nothing less than Russia's full withdrawal to the ceasefire line, Russia's return of all troops to their original deployment before the buildups, no limitations on the size and weapons in Ukraine's army and air force, a special tax on Russian pipeline usage to repay for damages, and the arrest and trial of Russian war criminals.
"Security wording" is meaningless to Russian scum. Twice Russia has affirmed these assurances, and now they do this.
My hope is that Zelensky settles for nothing less, and that if he does not get it then we should all look forward to the arrival of the SS-14 anti aircraft systems and Switchblade drones, and other unspecified long range attack options promised by the US.
Putin and Russia have to learn a lesson, a loss of another 1500 vehicles and 4 generals seems most fitting.
Like Herr Hitler?
And why would Putin accept such a deal and lose face? There needs to be a realistic deal that prevents the continued suffering and turning of Ukraine into a failed state, not one that has no chance of succeeding and will just make Russia double down.
Sevastopol? You mean that port that was Ukrainian until Russia "annexed" it in 2014?The same could be said for the Ukrainian side. I bet when Russia gave those assurances it didn't foresee its naval base at savastopol becoming a NATO base nor the possibility of NATO missile batteries all along its border with Ukraine.
That time has passed and we can only deal with the now.
So are you saying you want the war to continue? If so why so?
IMO you cannot wail about the people being killed and cheer for the war to continue thus ensuring more victims
Unlike you I am for Ukraine to exist as a democracy.
Sevastopol? You mean that port that was Ukrainian until Russia "annexed" it in 2014?
With all due respect to Putin and those of you that support him, the Soviet Union dissolved 30 years ago. Russia leased facilities in Sevastopol and there was an agreement signed back in the late 90s but none of that was good enough for Putin who decided to just take the entire region in 2014. Why should Ukraine be asked to give Putin a damned thing? Are you under the impression that Putin abides by treaties? Do you really believe that any written agreement will be honored by Putin? Are you so naive as to believe that as the world pats themselves on the back for a job well done in a peaceful resolution of the conflict Putin won't be rearming for another shot at the hoop?
The ONLY acceptable agreement would be one where Putin ends up in jail and Russian petroleum assets are sold for the benefit of Ukraine until that nation is made whole again.
And we all know you are shill for the bully, an advocate for the devil. Your record stands here, you shall never be permitted to forget it.
Russian assurances aren't worth spit frankly, particularly where security guarantees are concerned as the past and present have proven. Though it's not my place to decide for the Ukrainians, as they're the ones (along with common Russians) paying the price for Putin's aggression, I would certainly advise against any outcome that doesn't ensure their right to be inducted into NATO should it so desire. Certainly Russia has proven over and over again the sheer necessity of NATO membership in safeguarding one's territorial integrity against its malign intentions; something its Nordic neighbours have rapidly come to realize during the course of this war. I am beyond glad to see Putin's inhumane and idiotic invasion more than backfire with respect to its ostensible geopolitical goals of combating supposed NATO encroachment (though I feel it has at least as much to do with wag the dog political tactics and the reclamation of Soviet era territory) with the likely expansion of the alliance to Russia's very borders, thus containing this rabid beast of a nation under that KGB butcher.Russia and Ukraine ‘close to agreeing’ on neutral status, says Sergei Lavrov
Foreign minister’s claim undermined by aggressive comments from Vladimir Putinwww.theguardian.com
I hope there is a negotiated settlement as soon as possible and a de escalation of the violence along the lines mentioned above. It is a realistic solution to end the conflict and one that should have been thrashed out long before the resort to war.
it appears that Ukraine is considering neutral status in return for an end to the invasion, security safeguards and entry into the EU
The danger is that many people don't want the war to end and even want it to escalate.
Recall that the Libyan civil war was all but over when the hawks decided to misuse a UNSC resolution so as to induce a regime change there. Since then the country has descended into chaos and war that has claimed many more lives
Resist the hawks, they have no respect for life . This has been and continues to be an awful situation but let's not blow the whole world up because of it.
And why would Putin accept such a deal and lose face? There needs to be a realistic deal that prevents the continued suffering and turning of Ukraine into a failed state, not one that has no chance of succeeding and will just make Russia double down.
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