UK EU referendum [W:40:728]

[gunner]

Re: UK EU referendum [W:40]

The Commission are office managers. They dont wield any power at all. They receive their orders from the Council of Ministers. Basically they are civil servants of the EU.

No, it's the other way round. The Council of Ministers rubber-stamp whatever the Commission proposes. Show me where the CoM has thrown out wholesale any Commission proposal in the last 3 years.

Very poignant, and telling; that the two most 'pro European' posters on the board, disagree with the fundamental functions of two EU bodies. How the layman can come to a sensible conclusion is anyone's guess!

To clarify:
The Council of Ministers exercises the following functions.

1. The Council of Ministers is the EU's principal legislative body, with the unique power to make legislation in some areas. In others, this is exercised in conjunction with the European parliament.
2. The Council of Ministers (through ECOFIN) co-ordinates the domestic economic policies of member states.
3. The Council of Ministers concludes international agreements, negotiated by the Commission.
4. Along with the European parliament, the Council of Ministers authorises the budget proposed by the commission. The council has the final word in relation to 'compulsory' expenditure (eg CAP spending).
5. The Council of Ministers is the sole decision-making authority in respect of common foreign and security policy proposals, within the framework set by the European Council.
6. The Council of Ministers co-ordinates the activities of member states and adopts measures in relation to justice and home affairs policy.

Council of ministers (Europe)

Still confused :rofl

 

[Jack Hays]

Re: UK EU referendum [W:40]

These were decisions taken prior to Greece's acceptance into the Eurozone in 2000. Y'know, BEFORE the Euro was created.

Everyone knew, after the fact, after the 2004 audit.

But the good times were still rolling.

 

[Jack Hays]

Re: UK EU referendum [W:40]

Well, a poster earlier said how it would be impossible for a democratically-elected Upper House and Head of State to exist without abolishing the Monarchy - so that was mainly to explain to him how having a democratically-elected Head of State doesn't necessarily make the Monarchy mutually-exclusive.

Hmmm. The Monarch is the Head of State.

 

[Abbazorkzog]

Re: UK EU referendum [W:40]

Hmmm. The Monarch is the Head of State.

Right, and the Monarch could still be Head of State of England without being Head of State of the entire United Kingdom.

 

[Jack Hays]

Re: UK EU referendum [W:40]

Right, and the Monarch could still be Head of State of England without being Head of State of the entire United Kingdom.

Hmmm. It's called the United Kingdom because it's the Crown which unites the parts.

 

[Andalublue]

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Very poignant, and telling; that the two most 'pro European' posters on the board, disagree with the fundamental functions of two EU bodies.

Oh no! Two people who agree that the EU isn't the harbinger of the end times do not agree on the way the EU operates. The UK must leave the EU immediately!

I notice that once again you claim to be 'undecided' but argue only on one side of the argument. Seriously Paul, your pretended 'sitting on the fence' schtick really isn't working. We can work out your position not by what you claim, but by how you argue. When will you admit how you really feel?

 

[Abbazorkzog]

Re: UK EU referendum [W:40]

Hmmm. It's called the United Kingdom because it's the Crown which unites the parts.

Then rename it. ;P

 

[Jack Hays]

Re: UK EU referendum [W:40]

Then rename it. ;P

And what would be the reason to do all this?

 

[gunner]

Re: UK EU referendum [W:40]

Oh no! Two people who agree that the EU isn't the harbinger of the end times do not agree on the way the EU operates. The UK must leave the EU immediately!

I notice that once again you claim to be 'undecided' but argue only on one side of the argument. Seriously Paul, your pretended 'sitting on the fence' schtick really isn't working. We can work out your position not by what you claim, but by how you argue. When will you admit how you really feel?

Not that I have to explain, but yes I am 'undecided ' Andy. You see, as a person who likes to make rational, logical choices and not someone who is solely driven by the head or heart, I can write and speak as I wish. It may surprise you that immigration is one of the least worrying issues for me. That said IIRC Turkey will be given visa-less travel rights within the EU, very soon? For me, the main issues are the obvious lack of sovereignty, unanswerable questions on trade, and law making. Funny how some people are pigeon holed, never had you as that type Andy, but as someone in-step with the authoritarian left, I should be less than surprised.

 

[Andalublue]

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For me, the main issues are the obvious lack of sovereignty,

If you raise the shibboleth of 'sovereignty', you're clearly buying into the Brexiter narrative. Undecided?

unanswerable questions on trade,

What unanswerable questions? Let's address them.

and law making.

As distinct from the old 'sovereignty' issue? Can you expand a little?

as someone in-step with the authoritarian left, I should be less than surprised.

'Authoritarian left'? What would that be? What authoritarian traits are your imagination generating in me now, Paul?

 

[PeteEU]

Re: UK EU referendum [W:40]

Very poignant, and telling; that the two most 'pro European' posters on the board, disagree with the fundamental functions of two EU bodies. How the layman can come to a sensible conclusion is anyone's guess!

To clarify:
The Council of Ministers exercises the following functions.

1. The Council of Ministers is the EU's principal legislative body, with the unique power to make legislation in some areas. In others, this is exercised in conjunction with the European parliament.

Just like the any other legislative body in Europe. Who makes the laws in the UK? In Denmark it is the government aka the ministers and the non government members of parliament can also if they so wish.

2. The Council of Ministers (through ECOFIN) co-ordinates the domestic economic policies of member states.

You mean like normal ministers in any of the 28 member nations?

3. The Council of Ministers concludes international agreements, negotiated by the Commission.

You mean like what the Foregin secretary or minister does in national governments?

4. Along with the European parliament, the Council of Ministers authorises the budget proposed by the commission. The council has the final word in relation to 'compulsory' expenditure (eg CAP spending).

Wait what?! you mean like every freaking government out there?

5. The Council of Ministers is the sole decision-making authority in respect of common foreign and security policy proposals, within the framework set by the European Council.

WHAT! You mean like what the Foregin secretary does in the UK and what foreign ministers do in every country on the planet?

6. The Council of Ministers co-ordinates the activities of member states and adopts measures in relation to justice and home affairs policy.

and again.... like in every country on the planet.

Still confused :rofl

So you are also confused on how the UK government works?

 

[gunner]

Re: UK EU referendum [W:40]

Just like the any other legislative body in Europe. Who makes the laws in the UK? In Denmark it is the government aka the ministers and the non government members of parliament can also if they so wish.



You mean like normal ministers in any of the 28 member nations?



You mean like what the Foregin secretary or minister does in national governments?



Wait what?! you mean like every freaking government out there?



WHAT! You mean like what the Foregin secretary does in the UK and what foreign ministers do in every country on the planet?



and again.... like in every country on the planet.



So you are also confused on how the UK government works?

WTF are you talking about? You and Andy, the most Europhile on this board, could not both be correct, and I found it very amusing. So, I offered some clarification on your confusion.

 

[joG]

Re: UK EU referendum [W:40]

"1. The Council of Ministers is the EU's principal legislative body, with the unique power to make legislation in some areas. In others, this is exercised in conjunction with the European parliament." (gunner)

Just like the any other legislative body in Europe. Who makes the laws in the UK? In Denmark it is the government aka the ministers and the non government members of parliament can also if they so wish.

Well, no. Off hand I cannot think of many situations in member states of the EU, where the delegates of regional governments can pass laws without the government or parliament. But maybe you know of examples? I would really be interested.

 

[joG]

Re: UK EU referendum [W:40]

Simple question - leave or stay?

What are your reasons for leaving? What are your reasons for staying?

It's probably the biggest issue in the UK at the moment and there may be a referendum in July so I guess the more we know, the better informed our decision will be.

It should stay. But it should force reform.

 

[Serenity]

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I'm envious of the fact that Europeans can travel and move if they so desire from one Country to another so quickly, cheaply and easily. This allows you to experience many different cultures and lifestyles that others simply can't do. You can get from London to Paris quicker than I can drive to my nearest Capital City in Oz. (2 hours). That will change if you go it alone, there will certainly be more restrictions in place...?

Perhaps the greatest uncertainty associated with leaving the EU is that no country has ever done it before, so no one can predict the exact result so be careful what you wish for.

 

[PeteEU]

Re: UK EU referendum [W:40]

Well, no. Off hand I cannot think of many situations in member states of the EU, where the delegates of regional governments can pass laws without the government or parliament. But maybe you know of examples? I would really be interested.

Happens all the time...local governments make rules and local regulations all the time.. mayors and such. Germany is a federal state.. happens all the time. In Denmark the regional areas make stuff all the time in the areas they are allowed. So...

 

[PeteEU]

Re: UK EU referendum [W:40]

WTF are you talking about? You and Andy, the most Europhile on this board, could not both be correct, and I found it very amusing. So, I offered some clarification on your confusion.

Andy was not correct.. I was

 

[Andalublue]

Re: UK EU referendum [W:40]

Andy was not correct.. I was

I say, Satan. It's getting a bit chilly in here. :roll:

 

[Penderyn]

Re: UK EU referendum [W:40]

Leaving the EU under present conditions mean outright tory dictatorship for a century and an economic condition worse than that of Greece. I think even the mugs are beginning to have doubts, whatever God Murdoch lays down from Above.

 

[Ben K.]

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I'm envious of the fact that Europeans can travel and move if they so desire from one Country to another so quickly, cheaply and easily. This allows you to experience many different cultures and lifestyles that others simply can't do. You can get from London to Paris quicker than I can drive to my nearest Capital City in Oz. (2 hours). That will change if you go it alone, there will certainly be more restrictions in place...?

Perhaps the greatest uncertainty associated with leaving the EU is that no country has ever done it before, so no one can predict the exact result so be careful what you wish for.

That's more of a geographical thing. Unless you want to live and work there, there would be nothing stopping anyone from going to Munich for the weekend.

 

[gunner]

Re: UK EU referendum [W:40]

That's more of a geographical thing. Unless you want to live and work there, there would be nothing stopping anyone from going to Munich for the weekend.

In addition, with all the borders of the EU being fully de-maned there will be no one to check for passports, in any case. So impact on travel will be next to nothing.

 

[Manc Skipper]

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There'll be no need for France to stop migrants their side of the channel, if the UK isn't a member any more.

 

[gunner]

Re: UK EU referendum [W:40]

There'll be no need for France to stop migrants their side of the channel, if the UK isn't a member any more.

Like their doing a good job at that:roll:

 

[joG]

Re: UK EU referendum [W:40]

Happens all the time...local governments make rules and local regulations all the time.. mayors and such. Germany is a federal state.. happens all the time. In Denmark the regional areas make stuff all the time in the areas they are allowed. So...

Quite right. The Landtags (state parliaments) pass laws for the jurisdiction of the Land (state). We are not talking about that, but about the Council legislating for the community.
Here the equivalent of a council of States legislates for the Union ie the for all member countries. Ordinary procedure would call for the Parliament to agree. Special Procedure does not. Do you see the difference?

 

[Manc Skipper]

Re: UK EU referendum [W:40]

Like their doing a good job at that:roll:

Not bulldozing the Calais "Jungle" often enough?