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UK Amnesty for migrants would boost economy

Oh **** I'm not much good with links, get jerry to make something up he's good at that, Joke manders Joke;)

If you get on the Guardian site its a very interesting read
 
B L Zeebub said:
The Mayor of London and ex Conservative MP Boris Johnson supports the reporthttp://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/jun/15/migrants-amnesty-imigration-london-johnson
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I agree, but then rigorous policy needs implementing to drastically reduce the influx into certain regions. As is reported in the article 2/3 are settling in the London area, this is when 'social friction' can rear its head.
We have had many Eastern Europeans return home due to the economic downturn, this was without any governmental intervention.

Paul
 
gunner said:
I agree, but then rigorous policy needs implementing to drastically reduce the influx into certain regions. As is reported in the article 2/3 are settling in the London area, this is when 'social friction' can rear its head.
We have had many Eastern Europeans return home due to the economic downturn, this was without any governmental intervention.

Paul
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Well i dont get people who are pro immigration ive never walked around london rush hour and thought "you know what we could do with another couple of million people".
 
mikhail said:
Well i dont get people who are pro immigration ive never walked around london rush hour and thought "you know what we could do with another couple of million people".
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Pre 'world recession' UK businesses were crying out for migrant workers, mainly due to the established indigenous population not willing to undertake lower payed-service sector type jobs.
We must accept the ethnic diversity of the UK, and consider most were invited. but, i appreciate the sentiment that perhaps we are reaching our limits?
I feel public discontent is more down to lack of integration and the feeling of being a stranger in your own country.

Paul
 
gunner said:
I think you'll agree its the demographic mix, not numerical numbers, that's changed over the years.

Paul
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Yes that would be true. I don't live in London myself at the moment but I used to enjoy the diversity of people there when I did.

The influx of people from Eastern European countries though seems to be much more spread over the whole of the UK.

Also in Numbers of people here. 50 years ago it was about 60,000,000 and now a little over 61,000,000 though I understand they are expecting that to rise considerably in the next ten or 20 years.
 
If people have been here and working for 5 years and they have not been found and deported, I don't have a problem with them becoming legal both to protect them from being misused and in order that they can contribute in taxes like everyone else.

I think it is very unclear whether immigration has anything much to do with unemployment at the moment. When I looked for information that it did, I could only come up with information that that was not true. However when I searched for information that it did not, I came up with a couple that said it did. LOL the search engines humour! ;)

We should be very careful when dealing with immigration to make sure that we know what we are talking about lest we get into the sort of problems which happened in N. Ireland last week.

An anti-racism rally is taking to the streets of Belfast in response to a spate of recent hate crimes.

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"Anger that arguments against immigrants - particularly Roma - have found their way into the local media.

"Anger that these attacks took place over months and nothing was done. Anger that the families were left for days without any hope of protection and anger that the families were treated with contempt.

"Anger that the politicians are deliberately blaming immigrants for the lack of jobs and resources that has been caused by their handling of the recession."

Speaking about the rally, she added: "We are hoping that this rally will be the first of many called to protest these attacks."
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Demo against racism after attacks
 
alexa said:
If people have been here and working for 5 years and they have not been found and deported, I don't have a problem with them becoming legal both to protect them from being misused and in order that they can contribute in taxes like everyone else.

I think it is very unclear whether immigration has anything much to do with unemployment at the moment. When I looked for information that it did, I could only come up with information that that was not true. However when I searched for information that it did not, I came up with a couple that said it did. LOL the search engines humour! ;)

We should be very careful when dealing with immigration to make sure that we know what we are talking about lest we get into the sort of problems which happened in N. Ireland last week.



Demo against racism after attacks
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In my city migration labour has competed with the established labour force in skilled jobs, as well as non skilled. We have had an influx of taxi drivers, and an influx of skilled Trade Persons.
What is harder to explain is there are a number of workers [indigenous] in both professions out of work. One such company princess Yachts who deal with Polish agents who act as intermediaries and marry up workers with a particular. job.

Paul
 
gunner said:
In my city migration labour has competed with the established labour force in skilled jobs, as well as non skilled. We have had an influx of taxi drivers, and an influx of skilled Trade Persons.
What is harder to explain is there are a number of workers [indigenous] in both professions out of work. One such company princess Yachts who deal with Polish agents who act as intermediaries and marry up workers with a particular. job.

Paul
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Can you give further information about this. I am imagining you come from somewhere like the place that I saw a documentary on. Here there were so many Polish workers that people felt very resentful of them. It was obvious that there was considerable tension between them and the rest of the community.

The program looked at 2 ways the people made money. One was picking squash. For this they were paid £8 and hour. The owner said he was more than willing to hire British people and would do so if they could find them

Obviously this amount was well above minimum wage and jobseekers allowance. The film then went to the Jobcentre and asked several people who were claiming if they would take the job. None of them would.

The other firm that was hiring a lot of people was some kind of building firm - can't remember exactly. I think they also had a problem getting British people to do the job. Again the wages were above minimum wage. The boss here said that in addition what put the Polish workers way ahead was that they were a joy to have as workers. They did the job well and they were a pleasure to work with. I think, but my memory is poor, but I think that for some reason the Poles had to return home and this resulted in this firm having to close as it was not able to get other workers.

Now both these jobs paid a decent wage and so were different from the people being spoken about here
Unions will demand tomorrow that agency staff are given the same employment rights as permanent staff, to protect both local and migrant workers. Without new legislation, they say, they fear the death of the real job. More than 120 backbench Labour MPs who are under pressure from a rise in far-right nationalist parties in their constituencies have backed efforts to bring in equal rights through a private member's bill.

So far the Labour government has taken a lead in blocking a new directive in Europe on agency working. It has supported the view of the employers' federation the CBI that the effect on employment overall would be damaging. "If the government caves in to union pressure for a new EU law, hundreds of thousands of jobs will be put at risk, unless Gordon Brown at least insists on a qualifying period of a year before full rights apply," CBI deputy director general John Cridland said earlier this month.
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Underpaid, easy to sack: UK's second class workforce | UK news | The Guardian


I can see that this was a situation creating problems both for Polish people and for British people in 2007. I imagine you know more about the situation and what has been going on than myself since it is happening in your area.
How has this progressed since 2007?

http://www.compas.ox.ac.uk/fileadmin/files/pdfs/Briefings/cove_briefing.pdf

There is also an interesting article which I have been unable to find a link to send you to directly but which you will find if you put in a search for POLISH MIGRANT WORKERS IN UK
BACKGROUND INFORMATION
and download from the first link which is Geographical Association - home plus some extras. You may be able to find it just using that link but you would need to search.


Although this is a bit off topic. ;)
 
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