cmakaioz
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I would say he IS describing the job of a police officer, and he lives in SC, where the pay is lower than the norm.
And no, the tax payer WON'T fire police officers for not working off the clock...they will simply have less police.
And how does it work out, where you live, when cops make vocal their ire at being understaffed?
So I suppose you'd sit back and do nothing if someone pepper sprayed your kids in the face. No lasting harm right?
Are the police officers in S.C. non union, because I can assure you no police union I've ever seen would allow someone to be fired for not working off the clock. He claims "an ugly visit from corporate usually means people getting fired". Not only have I never heard a cop refer to their higher ups as corporate, it would actually be worse if it is those who are supposed to be upholding the law who are breaking them. The result of police claiming they are understaffed here? They usually do it around budget time to make sure no cuts effect them. It's pretty effective as a tactic even when shootings are common and their response time is rarely under a half hour.
21 students X $30,000 = $630,000 to the students; $370,000 to the attornies + $250,000 awarded to their attorneys separately = $620,000. Not bad.
Okay, a few points of correcting information here...
1. I used to be a cop, in SC. I now work for the power company.
2. SC is almost totally non-union. Cops have no union here worth mentioning. The few unions that exist here are almost completely powerless.
3. Pay for cops in SC is often less than 30k a year and rarely ever more than 40k.
4. Yes, I worked unpaid overtime when I was a cop. Mandatory unpaid overtime. Yes, refusal would have gotten me fired.
Maybe you need to get a little more info on these things before making absolute pronouncements.
Maybe you need to move to a state that isn't looking to revive slavery. Your union was useless, your pay was about 60% of the national average and you were compelled to break the law while supposedly upholding it and all those things are my fault? Sounds more like 10 years of unfettered Republican governors to me.
As it turns out, most states where unions are strongly supported through state law also tend to be big-government states, with very heavy bureaucracy and forms in triplicate for almost everything except taking a dump. Also there are downsides to unions, like making it harder to GET a job in the first place, and the unions that bleed their host dry (United Auto Workers comes to mind).
Pass.
Also, you claim I said something was your fault... please quote where I said that because I am fairly sure I did not blame you for anything, other than being uninformed about certain things.
Yeah, that freedom is a real bitch, right Loki97? How are you any less a serf working for a union?
And you are clearly just as uninformed on others. Police unions, which are they norm here, don't make it one bit harder to become a police officer and provide their members with salary and benefits that are pretty hard to beat these days in a job that only requires a high school education. I can also assure you that you would be making substantially more working for a power company here as they are also primarily union. Since your original complaint centered around how much you have to go through to earn 30k a year, the conclusion I'd reach is you are living in a state that has adopted many conservative positions regarding labor to the predictable detriment of those who actually work for a living. I actually spent five years in a state where employers thought they owned their employees and would never want to repeat the experience. I guess the serf lifestyle just appeals to some and not to others.
You know, you might find that your ideas would be better recieved if they were presented in a manner that lacked the dickish I'm-smarter-than-you tone.
But, whatever dude.
I don't know of any union workers who would willingly trade their position for a non union one.
It's a shame no one at UC Davis exercised their "stand your ground" rights and shot and killed the man that was brutally attacking a bunch of sitting college students.
Catch a clue, California doesn't allow stand your ground.
That's. Not. The. Point. Of. His. Post.
Thank you Hatuey and yes we know dear, now toddle off.
If you know why post an statement which has nothing to do with his point?
Fail?
Fail in comprehension on your part. My response to that idiocy of a statement was to illustrate:
1) that all parts of the statement were untrue
2) the same state that pays money to people who reap the consequences of not following the legal commands of police officers and condones such disturbances in their educational environment, of course they're not going to allow folks to stand their ground. A shining bit of hypocrisy. Only those breaking the damn law can "stand their ground".
Too suble a point for you obviously.
Then you never met me or anyone like me. I was a union employee. California Teachers Association and later, the California Nurses Association. My hatred of unions is based upon my association with them.
I'll answer that, since I paid for my daughter's college education through years of sacrifice. If she was wasting mine and everyone else's time disrupting the school like this - **** yes, spray away. But my kid is most likely to be the one cheering the police on as they sprayed these morons who should have been kicked from the school right after this. She had respect for the sacrifices I made to get her there and was there for an education and a degree. She didn't fart around like these pampered asshats.
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