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U.S. scientists officially declare 2016 the hottest year on record.

HenryChinaski said:
Do you also believe that the moon landings were staged and that the earth is flat?
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Nope, do you ? Warmist are far more susceptible to conspiracy nonsense so why are you asking me ?
 
Fenton said:
Nope, do you ? Warmist are far more susceptible to conspiracy nonsense so why are you asking me ?
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The planet is warming due to greenhouse gases caused by man. That is an indisputable fact. And not understanding that is willful ignorance, end of story.
 
Whenever I read these sorts of threads, it just makes me sad. So many people with no understanding of science and climate pretending that they do, pretending they know more than the scientific community when the last science class they likely had was Earth Science.

I'll defer to the scientists on this one. The ones actually studying the issue and know a thing or two about data and data analysis.
 
Threegoofs said:
U.S. scientists officially declare 2016 the hottest year on record. That makes three in a row.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-makes-three-in-a-row/?utm_term=.c828ea762717



Remember how the deniers told us that the scientists were always wrong about predictions on warming? Remember when they said there was no significant warming? Remember when they said the earth was going into a 'cooling phase' in 1990 errr..1995, errrrr..... 1999, errr 2003, errrr..... 2008, errr....2012, errr.... 2015?

In addition to this obvious record, we also are seeing record lows in arctic sea ice, gigatons of melt in Greenland, significant melt in parts of Antarctica, and disappearing glaciers all over the globe - from the Alps to the Himalayas to the Andes.

But Donald Trump says its a hoax made up by the Chinese.
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Right wingers are very slow in regards to science. At the rate they are going, it will be around 2045 or so before a majority of right wingers accept evolution. So you got to figure then that it will be 2123 or so before the majority of right wingers catch up to the rest of the world in regards to the science on climate change. So don't worry, they will get their eventually, it just takes them a while. I mean hell, its only been in our lifetimes that a plurality of right wingers have accepted that the universe is probably more than 6000 years old. ;)
 
Ikari said:
Whenever I read these sorts of threads, it just makes me sad. So many people with no understanding of science and climate pretending that they do, pretending they know more than the scientific community when the last science class they likely had was Earth Science.

I'll defer to the scientists on this one. The ones actually studying the issue and know a thing or two about data and data analysis.
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You defer to 97 percent of them ? The " consensus " ?
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Right wingers are very slow in regards to science. At the rate they are going, it will be around 2045 or so before a majority of right wingers accept evolution. So you got to figure then that it will be 2123 or so before the majority of right wingers catch up to the rest of the world in regards to the science on climate change. So don't worry, they will get their eventually, it just takes them a while. I mean hell, its only been in our lifetimes that a plurality of right wingers have accepted that the universe is probably more than 6000 years old. ;)
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That's fine by me. That means meat will still be on the table and not forbidden as long as I live.
 
Russell797 said:
That is the post of a brain washed conspiracy theorist. All we need do is as quickly as possible transition away from such a high reliance on fossil fuels for the WORLD'S energy needs.
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And why should we do that? The world runs on fossil fuels.

Also, as we do this the temperature will continue to rise, not fall. We can only hope to limit warming in the long term. It will be a long time before global temperature falls at all unless we can develop technology which will scrub existing CO2 out of the atmosphere. A small mountain's worth every singe year.
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The earth is going to warm and cool over time, so it'll do what it wants. The question is, can we actually do anything about it? What effect can we have compared to the Sun and other factors, which have a huge effect on the climate? Should we even try, and to what end? If someone screwed around with the Earth's climate years ago, we might not even be here.
 
Phys251 said:
"Natural News" :lol:
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He links to "Natural News" who cites the Daily Caller and a junkscience conspiracy blog as "sources", but he claims people who accept science are 'susceptible to conspiracy nonsense'? :3oops:
 
Fenton said:
You defer to 97 percent of them ? The " consensus " ?
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The reason there is a consensus is because there is a strong consilience of evidence - as shown in hundreds of thousands of research papers in the peer-reviewed Science Journals. This research is summarised for the layperson in publications like this:

Royal Society:
https://royalsociety.org/topics-policy/projects/climate-change-evidence-causes/

National Acadeny of Sciences:
Climate Change: Evidence and Causes » Climate Change at the National Academies of Sciences

or summarised more in depth by the IPCC reports
Fifth Assessment Report - Climate Change 2013


Every major scientific society/association/institution worldwide makes very similar statements like:

American Geophysical Union
http://sciencepolicy.agu.org/files/2...ugust-2013.pdf

Human‐Induced Climate Change Requires Urgent Action

Humanity is the major influence on the global climate change observed over the past 50 years. Rapid societal responses can significantly lessen negative outcomes. Human activities are changing Earth’s climate. At the global level, atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide and other heat‐trapping greenhouse gases have increased sharply since the Industrial Revolution. Fossil fuel burning dominates this increase.

Human‐caused increases in greenhouse gases are responsible for most of the observed global average surface warming of roughly 0.8°C (1.5°F) over the past 140 years. Because natural processes cannot quickly remove some of these gases (notably carbon dioxide) from the atmosphere, our past, present, and future emissions will influence the climate system for millennia.

Extensive, independent observations confirm the reality of global warming. These observations show large‐scale increases in air and sea temperatures, sea level, and atmospheric water vapor; they document decreases in the extent of mountain glaciers, snow cover, permafrost, and Arctic sea ice. These changes are broadly consistent with long understood physics and predictions of how the climate system is expected to respond to human‐caused increases in greenhouse gases. The changes are inconsistent with explanations of climate change that rely on known natural influences…​

The AGU has also signed onto more recent letters on climate from an array of scientific organizations, including the June 28, 2016 letter to the U.S. Congress: https://www.eurekalert.org/images/20...ter6-28-16.pdf

Similar statements by all major Science Institutions worldwide.

Here's just a few of them:

American Meteorological Society
https://www.ametsoc.org/ams/index.cf...limate-change/

American Physical Society
https://www.aps.org/policy/statements/15_3.cfm

Geological Society of America
https://www.geosociety.org/documents...10_climate.pdf

National Academies of Science
https://nas-sites.org/americasclimat...ce-and-causes/

American Society of Agronomy
Soil Science Society of America
https://www.soils.org/files/science-...-statement.pdf

The Royal Society (UK)
https://royalsociety.org/~/media/pol...communique.PDF
https://royalsociety.org/topics-poli...idence-causes/

The Geological Society (UK)
https://www.geolsoc.org.uk/~/media/s...rmat.pdf?la=en

The Institute of Physics (IOP)
https://royalsociety.org/~/media/pol...communique.PDF

The Institution of Chemical Engineers
https://royalsociety.org/~/media/pol...communique.PDF

Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
http://www.amos.org.au/Main/About_us...0-700d89c3d4f5

Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
http://www.cmos.ca/site/ps_pos_statements?a=7

European Academy of Sciences and Arts
http://www.euro-acad.eu/downloads/me...7_-_final2.pdf

European Federation of Geologists
http://eurogeologists.eu/wp-content/...al-Storage.pdf

European Geosciences Union
http://www.egu.eu/about/statements/e...acidification/

European Physical Society
2015 Statement
http://www.eps.org/resource/resmgr/p...rgyPol2015.pdf

Royal Society of New Zealand
http://royalsociety.org.nz/expert-ad...r-new-zealand/

International Union for Quaternary Research
http://www.inqua.org/files/iscc.pdf

World Health Organization
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs266/en/

World Meteorological Organization
https://public.wmo.int/en/our-mandate/climate
 
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Fenton said:
You think a day in Austin proves that the earth is warming so why not
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I was simply making a comment about how crazy Texas weather can be. I'm a native Texan. Texas has always had crazy weather - all of my life. I didn't mention anything about climate change or AGW.
 
Anthony60 said:
And why should we do that? The world runs on fossil fuels.

The earth is going to warm and cool over time, so it'll do what it wants. The question is, can we actually do anything about it? What effect can we have compared to the Sun and other factors, which have a huge effect on the climate? Should we even try, and to what end? If someone screwed around with the Earth's climate years ago, we might not even be here.
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The sun and 'other factors' have not been the cause of the increased warming in the last 50 years or so.

If you can't be bothered to spend time reading the easily available summaries of the science, here's an easy to understand interactive graphic:


What's really warming the world

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Fenton said:
The NOAA quietly revised their previous claims that the summer of 2012 was the hottest on record after data that contradicted their lie was exposed

You haven't debunked a thing.
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Your "source" for your conspiracy claim is "Natural News" which cites the Daily Caller, a UK tabloid trash conspiracy piece, and two junkscience conspiracy blogs as "sources", but you claim people who accept science are 'susceptible to conspiracy nonsense'? :3oops:

You actually believe "The US has actually been cooling since the Thirties" ??? :3oops:
 
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Fenton said:
You defer to 97 percent of them ? The " consensus " ?
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To the scientific community, they will ferret everything out in the end. Not some internet "science warriors" who seem to think they know step one of the scientific process.
 
Fenton said:
And yet you still cant debunk it
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It is your responsibility not to link to a fake news website, not mine to debunk it. Take some responsibility for once.
 
Ikari said:
To the scientific community, they will ferret everything out in the end. Not some internet "science warriors" who seem to think they know step one of the scientific process.
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Internet science warriors. STEALING THIS. :thumbs:
 
Quaestio said:
The sun and 'other factors' have not been the cause of the increased warming in the last 50 years or so.

If you can't be bothered to spend time reading the easily available summaries of the science, here's an easy to understand interactive graphic:


What's really warming the world

Keep clicking the down arrow...
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That really does not show any evidence that mighty mankind has been able to drive up that Earth's temperature. It just assumes it is us. Were weren't around for most of the Earth's climate changes.
 
Anthony60 said:
That really does not show any evidence that mighty mankind has been able to drive up that Earth's temperature. It just assumes it is us. Were weren't around for most of the Earth's climate changes.
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By the same logic:

There have been forest fires as long as there have been forests. Forest fires have existed long before man, thus man cannot possibly cause a forest fire...
 
Anthony60 said:
That really does not show any evidence that mighty mankind has been able to drive up that Earth's temperature. It just assumes it is us. Were weren't around for most of the Earth's climate changes.
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I said "if you can't be bothered to spend time reading the easily available summaries of the science".

I take it then that you can't be bothered to read about all the easily available evidence and prefer to remain uninformed? That's your choice.
 
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SouthernDemocrat said:
By the same logic:

There have been forest fires as long as there have been forests. Forest fires have existed long before man, thus man cannot possibly cause a forest fire...
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The 'the earth's climate changed before when humans weren't around, therefore human activities can't change the climate' has to be one of the dopiest arguments by science deniers.
 
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