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U.S. scientists officially declare 2016 the hottest year on record.

fmw said:
We have had an unseasonably warm January here in the flyover country. Thank you, global warming. January is usually miserable. If it keeps up I will be able to plant some coconuts.
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In the '70's, it was global cooling and the threat of an ice age. I guess man changed Earth's climate too much, and now it's getting too hot. Since we can do that as we wish, we need to make it cooler again and everything will be fine.
 
Russell797 said:
The climate has changed on it's own, without the help of man? Do you really think people and especially people with a scientific background such as myself are not aware of that fact? Your arguments are so rudimentary and shallow. Just admit it, because it's plain for everyone to see, you don't know the issue well and you don't know what you are talking about.

Now, that's not really a condemnation of you. Most people lack the background knowledge in the sciences needed to understand complex issues such as this. However, that being the case how is it that you can hold such a strong opinion such as you do? What is it based upon? Clearly not the science itself.
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Oh, I should defer to noted experts such as Al Gore and Leonardo DiCaprio? See, you don't have to be a scientist to see that an issue has two sides, that there is no proof, that there has been falsified data to mislead people, and there are plenty of scientists that don't see "climate change" as man made. Sorry, but a consensus of scientists doesn't amount to science fact.
 
Threegoofs said:
U.S. scientists officially declare 2016 the hottest year on record. That makes three in a row.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-makes-three-in-a-row/?utm_term=.c828ea762717



Remember how the deniers told us that the scientists were always wrong about predictions on warming? Remember when they said there was no significant warming? Remember when they said the earth was going into a 'cooling phase' in 1990 errr..1995, errrrr..... 1999, errr 2003, errrr..... 2008, errr....2012, errr.... 2015?

In addition to this obvious record, we also are seeing record lows in arctic sea ice, gigatons of melt in Greenland, significant melt in parts of Antarctica, and disappearing glaciers all over the globe - from the Alps to the Himalayas to the Andes.

But Donald Trump says its a hoax made up by the Chinese.
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Yeah. The Earth gets warmer and then it gets cooler then warm... then cool... warm... cool...

Notice anything?
 
Threegoofs said:
hottest year on record!!! hottest year on record!!! hottest year on record!!!
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What a stupid statement. Record keeping for 150tops out of 4.6 BILLION YEARS.

Yeah... great data.
 
Threegoofs said:
Dont like the solutions, so you deny the problem.

Classic.
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Wants bigger government so creates "a problem"...

Neat game. I can play too...
 
Bodhisattva said:
What a stupid statement. Record keeping for 150tops out of 4.6 BILLION YEARS.

Yeah... great data.
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Guess you don't really understand 'record'.

Would it be better if you knew it was likely the warmest period in the history of human civilization?

Or would that just lead you to troll harder??
 
Threegoofs said:
Guess you don't really understand 'record'.

Would it be better if you knew it was likely the warmest period in the history of human civilization?

Or would that just lead you to troll harder??
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Prove any of that...
 
Anthony60 said:
The left believes if really, really hard. At that point, it is an indisputable fact to them.
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The whole "hottest year on record" thing is ignorant garbage. 120 or so years out of billions. Pht.
 
Anthony60 said:
Oh, I should defer to noted experts such as Al Gore and Leonardo DiCaprio? See, you don't have to be a scientist to see that an issue has two sides, that there is no proof, that there has been falsified data to mislead people, and there are plenty of scientists that don't see "climate change" as man made. Sorry, but a consensus of scientists doesn't amount to science fact.
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Al Gore and Leonardo DiCaprio? Are you kidding me? Is that who you listen to for authoritative expertise? No wonder you are so confused. No there are not "plenty of scientists" who disagree with the scientific consensus. All you need to do is look at the position statements of science institutions such as the National Academies of Science for every country in the world which has one. That's the authoritative source for science. If you disagree with them, you deny science.
 
Bodhisattva said:
The whole "hottest year on record" thing is ignorant garbage. 120 or so years out of billions. Pht.
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The hottest year on record. The record being since 1880. What is so hard to understand?

The thing is there is nothing difficult to understand. You are just being disingenuous and mischievous. If you think you are being coy and cute you are mistaken. You look like a demagogue with the purpose of intentional deception.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Prove any of that...
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The paleoclimate record indicates that recent decades have been among the warmest of the entire Holocene period, during which human civilization has developed and prospered. That's the science. You call for proof. You will not get "proof" but you will get the best estimates which current science can provide. That's what science does, it informs us of it's current understanding of how the world works. If you deny science you deny science. That's your prerogative but not a very wise choice given the success of the scientific method on all manner of issues.
 
Russell797 said:
Al Gore and Leonardo DiCaprio? Are you kidding me? Is that who you listen to for authoritative expertise? No wonder you are so confused. No there are not "plenty of scientists" who disagree with the scientific consensus. All you need to do is look at the position statements of science institutions such as the National Academies of Science for every country in the world which has one. That's the authoritative source for science. If you disagree with them, you deny science.
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Have you lost your mind? First, you think I get my info from Gore and DiCaprio, then you claim that there are not plenty of scientists that disagree with the climate change pushed by the left.
 
Threegoofs said:
U.S. scientists officially declare 2016 the hottest year on record. That makes three in a row.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-makes-three-in-a-row/?utm_term=.c828ea762717



Remember how the deniers told us that the scientists were always wrong about predictions on warming? Remember when they said there was no significant warming? Remember when they said the earth was going into a 'cooling phase' in 1990 errr..1995, errrrr..... 1999, errr 2003, errrr..... 2008, errr....2012, errr.... 2015?

In addition to this obvious record, we also are seeing record lows in arctic sea ice, gigatons of melt in Greenland, significant melt in parts of Antarctica, and disappearing glaciers all over the globe - from the Alps to the Himalayas to the Andes.

But Donald Trump says its a hoax made up by the Chinese.
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All the more reason to shut down the climate section on the government website. If you're Donald Trump.
 
Russell797 said:
The paleoclimate record indicates that recent decades have been among the warmest of the entire Holocene period, during which human civilization has developed and prospered. That's the science. You call for proof. You will not get "proof" but you will get the best estimates which current science can provide. That's what science does, it informs us of it's current understanding of how the world works. If you deny science you deny science. That's your prerogative but not a very wise choice given the success of the scientific method on all manner of issues.
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All of that is great Russell, and I'll leave the science to the scientists...But, if you are telling us that this period of change is due to man, or industrial factors, and that the solution you think is the best is the transfer of wealth in a fiat currency redistribution scheme, without so much as noting what countries that fail to join any global consensus, or be bound by any agreement, like China, then you are, scientifically speaking sir....Pissing in the wind.
 
j-mac said:
All of that is great Russell, and I'll leave the science to the scientists...But, if you are telling us that this period of change is due to man, or industrial factors, and that the solution you think is the best is the transfer of wealth in a fiat currency redistribution scheme, without so much as noting what countries that fail to join any global consensus, or be bound by any agreement, like China, then you are, scientifically speaking sir....Pissing in the wind.
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The science is resolute in it's understanding of why the world is warming. You can deny the science if you wish. The solution is to greatly reduce CO2 emissions to the atmosphere. How we go about that is the question you should be asking. The solution is not a transfer of wealth. What on Earth will that do to dramatically reduce emissions?

The Paris agreement is a start toward all the major and minor countries of the world (nearly 200 have signed on) to reduce emissions. How they go about doing so is up to them. They each can determine their own strategy. In the U.S. we are shutting down the most carbon intensive fossil fuel industries in favour of natural gas. This will not be stopped since the market is driving the transition. However, we must do much more over time if we and the world are to make a meaningful attempt at limiting man made climate change.

Where do you get the idea that there is some sort of transfer of wealth required for the countries of the world to do this? Yes there is a fund set up to help the poor nations make the transition and adapt to changes which have and will continue to occur. This effort will take decades to accomplish and all the nations of the world will play their part if we are to be successful in eventually reaching a carbon neutral global economy followed by a persistent decrease in reliance on fossil fuel for our energy need. The denial of science only serves to hamper and delay what must eventually happen and will happen.
 
Anthony60 said:
Have you lost your mind? First, you think I get my info from Gore and DiCaprio, then you claim that there are not plenty of scientists that disagree with the climate change pushed by the left.
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You introduced Gore and DiCaprio into this conversation not me. It would appear that you disagree with their message. They are not scientists, they are advocates just like you. The difference is they have a much louder voice than you do. Why did you mention them?

I get my science from scientific institutions, not individual people with a bias. Not from biased news sources. Not from biased blogger websites.

You apparently listen to information coming out of political think tanks such as the Heartland institute and the Cato Institute. You may not realize the origin of skeptic talking points, but go look at the membership of those think tanks and you will find names which read like the who's who of climate change denial.
 
Russell797 said:
You introduced Gore and DiCaprio into this conversation not me. It would appear that you disagree with their message. They are not scientists, they are advocates just like you. The difference is they have a much louder voice than you do. Why did you mention them?
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Oh, but the left holds them in such high regard. Just a little info for you, if I mention someone in a post, it doesn't mean I support them of get my information from them.

I get my science from scientific institutions, not individual people with a bias. Not from biased news sources. Not from biased blogger websites.
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Oh, good.
You apparently listen to information coming out of political think tanks such as the Heartland institute and the Cato Institute. You may not realize the origin of skeptic talking points, but go look at the membership of those think tanks and you will find names which read like the who's who of climate change denial.
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Well, another false assumption on your part.
 
Russell797 said:
The thing is there is nothing difficult to understand. You are just being disingenuous and mischievous. If you think you are being coy and cute you are mistaken. You look like a demagogue with the purpose of intentional deception.
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You think look like a deceptive demigod?
 
Russell797 said:
The hottest year on record. The record being since 1880. What is so hard to understand? .
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Nothing. What have I said that has confused you?
 
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