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U.S. Posts Largest-Ever Monthly Budget Deficit in February

The only group doing the "taking" are the rich. They've been stealing from the lower and middle class for years. Paid trolls like yourself are part of their strategy. and I've answered your dumb question twice now.

I really do feel sorry for you and others like you. How has any rich person prevented you from joining them? Stealing from the lower and middle class? Prove it?
 
I really do feel sorry for you and others like you. How has any rich person prevented you from joining them? Stealing from the lower and middle class? Prove it?

More trolling!
 
More trolling!

You make wild accusations with nothing to back them up. Hope you are benefiting greatly for your support for the liberal ideology. this thread topic is about the largest budget deficit so let me know when Trump has 4 straight trillion dollar deficits like "your" President, Mr. Independent, LOL
 
You make wild accusations with nothing to back them up. Hope you are benefiting greatly for your support for the liberal ideology. this thread topic is about the largest budget deficit so let me know when Trump has 4 straight trillion dollar deficits like "your" President, Mr. Independent, LOL

Trillion dollar deficits is the Republican mantra. GW Bush created them with the worst presidential pass-on since the great depression. And now Chump is creating them. Keep trolling!
 
Trillion dollar deficits is the Republican mantra. GW Bush created them with the worst presidential pass-on since the great depression. And now Chump is creating them. Keep trolling!

Do you really believe you are changing anyone's minds with the continued lies you post? You obviously love to just arguing saying the same thing over and over again totally ignoring reality. GW Bush NEVER had a trillion dollar deficit, there was no budget for 2009, TARP was included in the CBO PROJECTION for the 2009 deficit and TARP was REPAID in 2009 long after the CBO PROJECTION. Now stop making a fool of yourself.
 
Do you really believe you are changing anyone's minds with the continued lies you post? You obviously love to just arguing saying the same thing over and over again totally ignoring reality. GW Bush NEVER had a trillion dollar deficit, there was no budget for 2009, TARP was included in the CBO PROJECTION for the 2009 deficit and TARP was REPAID in 2009 long after the CBO PROJECTION. Now stop making a fool of yourself.

You lied again.

TARP was not repaid in 2009. Where would you get a crazy idea like that? Furthermore, why would you say something you don't know?

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You lied again.

TARP was not repaid in 2009. Where would you get a crazy idea like that? Furthermore, why would you say something you don't know?

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Probably from TARP Tracker at Treasury and I was talking about the 300 billion that Bush released prior to leaving office by December 2008 that was included in the CBO PROJECTED Deficit for 2009. Now of course none of that resonates with you
 
Do you really believe you are changing anyone's minds with the continued lies you post? You obviously love to just arguing saying the same thing over and over again totally ignoring reality. GW Bush NEVER had a trillion dollar deficit, there was no budget for 2009, TARP was included in the CBO PROJECTION for the 2009 deficit and TARP was REPAID in 2009 long after the CBO PROJECTION. Now stop making a fool of yourself.

Foolishness, lies and deception are the name of your TROLLING game.
 
Probably from TARP Tracker at Treasury and I was talking about the 300 billion that Bush released prior to leaving office by December 2008 that was included in the CBO PROJECTED Deficit for 2009. Now of course none of that resonates with you

It is still a false statement. You are known to lie on the basis of partisanship and this statement only confirms it.
 
It is still a false statement. You are known to lie on the basis of partisanship and this statement only confirms it.

Baiting and trolling again? better check the CBO budget deficit projections on January 8, 2009, then find out what Bush spent on TARP and what was repaid in 2009. What happened to those repayments as the principle seems to have been recycled and the only reduction to the deficit was the interest. Seems that you and Geithner have different opinions on the repayment of TARP money, please show where it was credited against spending thus reducing the deficit?

My partisanship is in my lean, you claim to be an independent but post nothing but leftwing rhetoric and opinions along with charts out of context.
 
Baiting and trolling again?

Your dishonesty will be put on full display. If you don't like it, try to be more honest.

better check the CBO budget deficit projections on January 8, 2009, then find out what Bush spent on TARP and what was repaid in 2009.

The CBO projection is irrelevant to your lie. You can't just partition what you feel was Bush's responsibility. That's partisanship and extremely dishonest.

What happened to those repayments as the principle seems to have been recycled and the only reduction to the deficit was the interest. Seems that you and Geithner have different opinions on the repayment of TARP money, please show where it was credited against spending thus reducing the deficit?

It's your job to support your own claims.

My partisanship is in my lean, you claim to be an independent but post nothing but leftwing rhetoric and opinions along with charts out of context.

Your opinion of others isn't up for discussion.
 
Your dishonesty will be put on full display. If you don't like it, try to be more honest.



The CBO projection is irrelevant to your lie. You can't just partition what you feel was Bush's responsibility. That's partisanship and extremely dishonest.



It's your job to support your own claims.



Your opinion of others isn't up for discussion.

So is the claim that Bush inherited a 1.2 trillion dollar budget deficit and was responsible for most of the 2009 deficit with no budget authority as no approved budget was given to Bush. Obama signed the budget in March 2009. Name calling is what you do best because your posting is nothing but lies, rumors, media reports and out of context graphs. you really should quite and stop digging that hole deeper. Bush borrowed 350 billion from TARP and over 300 billion was repaid in 2009, where does that show up in the deficit? Where did the 1.2 trillion dollar budget deficit he inherited come from?
 
So is the claim that Bush inherited a 1.2 trillion dollar budget deficit and was responsible for most of the 2009 deficit with no budget authority as no approved budget was given to Bush.

Quote me where i said anything such as this ridiculous strawman. You can't.

Bush's signature was on H.R.2638 - Consolidated Security, Disaster Assistance, and Continuing Appropriations Act, 2009 (on September 30th 2008). Please cease with the lies and ridiculously weak propaganda.

Obama signed the budget in March 2009.

So. Obama inherited a $1 trillion+ deficit and the deepest financial crisis since the 1930's. Of course deficits were in order. It's not as though the financial and economic climate plummeted during his Presidency.

Name calling is what you do best because your posting is nothing but lies

You can't show anything i've posted to be a lie. Hence, you are therefore telling an additional lie.

Bush borrowed 350 billion from TARP and over 300 billion was repaid in 2009

There wasn't even $350 billion appropriated before May of 2009. Stop telling lies.

Where did the 1.2 trillion dollar budget deficit he inherited come from?

Figure it out. I don't care to answer questions because they will just be ignored so that more ignorant partisan nonsense can be spewed. Your lies will be put on full display. Again, if you don't like it, stop being so dishonest.
 
Quote me where i said anything such as this ridiculous strawman. You can't.

Bush's signature was on H.R.2638 - Consolidated Security, Disaster Assistance, and Continuing Appropriations Act, 2009 (on September 30th 2008). Please cease with the lies and ridiculously weak propaganda.



So. Obama inherited a $1 trillion+ deficit and the deepest financial crisis since the 1930's. Of course deficits were in order. It's not as though the financial and economic climate plummeted during his Presidency.



You can't show anything i've posted to be a lie. Hence, you are therefore telling an additional lie.



There wasn't even $350 billion appropriated before May of 2009. Stop telling lies.



Figure it out. I don't care to answer questions because they will just be ignored so that more ignorant partisan nonsense can be spewed. Your lies will be put on full display. Again, if you don't like it, stop being so dishonest.

You don't inherit deficits, you inherit debt, Deficits are yearly not monthly and had the Obama stimulus created jobs instead of seeing jobs lost revenue would have offset much of the deficit and TARP repayment should have reduced the deficit but it didn't, but no you want to assign all costs and no revenue to Bush. You are a typical brainwashed, book smart street stupid liberal. Don't worry about putting me on ignore because that is where you are now.

So the entire budget for 2009 is in that HR bill? You are clueless and where is the revenue?

Emergency FY09 appropriations for LIHEAP and advanced technology vehicle manufacturing loans are also included. Division B provides $22.9 billion in emergency supplemental appropriations for relief and recovery from hurricanes, floods, and other natural disasters. Division C provides $487.7 billion in FY09 funding for the Department of Defense. Division D provides $40 billion in FY09 funding for the Department of Homeland Security. Division E provides $72.9 billion in FY09 funding for Military Construction and Veterans Affairs.
 
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You don't inherit deficits


That's the way it works. Spending appropriations and authority are put into law before an incoming President is even elected. Stop lying.


you inherit debt


Very good!


Deficits are yearly not monthly


Deficits are simply a measurement in a set time frame. Your interpretation of the terminology cannot be trusted, given you've already admitted to being partisan.


had the Obama stimulus created jobs instead of seeing jobs lost revenue would have offset much of the deficit


An outlandish opinion not supported by anything other than a bias obsession with identity politics.


TARP repayment should have reduced the deficit but it didn't


What you believe they should have or have not done is irrelevant. A deficit is first funded by a shift in excess reserves, as primary broker dealers are required by law to bid on Treasury auctions. Until this event can be offset by foreign sales, domestic conversions, monetary policy, inflation, or a combination of such factors, there are still going to be new Treasury liabilities and private sector assets. The interesting thing about debt denominated in a reserve currency is that it also serves as money for the international community. And so we see a massive amount of debt sold to foreign entities:


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The Fed was also continuing to expand it's balance sheet. I don't think we need a graph to confirm this fact.


It was an extremely complicated time period, and you clearly don't understand any of it!


TARP was funded with additional debt from selling a Treasury security, and then taking those proceeds and purchasing preferred shares in these respective banks (in the initial round of TARP disbursements). The equity value in banks had taken such a beating from write-downs, poor market sentiment, etc... that Treasury could have likely purchased controlling interest of the entire U.S. banking system with $700 billion. This measure failed to thaw credit markets until additional monetary stimulus was combined with public/private loan facilities under the leadership of Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner. You can't claim victory for Geithner's plan to create loan guarantee facilities backed by the Treasury, private sector, and financed by the Fed's Term Asset-Backed Lending Facility.


Not only are you completely ignorant of the funding levels and their timelines, but you have no idea what TARP actually did unless you happen to both read and comprehend what i've stated. Credit markets did not thaw until the lending facilities and financing via the Fed took place.


Furthermore, when debt is issued, it doesn't get extinguished. The money the government raised was simply repaid to the Treasury and it offset the deficit by the amount repaid. It does not... let me repeat myself so there cannot be anymore confusion... it does not reduce the final deficit figure. Repayment simply makes the final deficit figure that much less than what it would have amounted to.


So no...


the 300 billion that Bush released prior to leaving office by December 2008


didn't do what you claimed it did.

but no you want to assign all costs and no revenue to Bush.


No... All but roughly $400 billion if you excuse the financial crisis. I don't think Obama would have needed to enact such a sweeping fiscal response had Bush provided better economic leadership.


So the entire budget for 2009 is in that HR bill?

This lame attempt to excuse the Bush administration of any and all issues is more comical than anything.
 
Neither party has the balls to tax enough to cover current federal spending much less try to reduce that spending.

Greetings, ttwtt78640. :2wave:

Is it true that the "Mueller probe" has cost millions of dollars? I thought I had read that somewhere, but I am now wondering if that makes sense. IOW, did we really have to actually pay out various amounts to different people, after determining who owes who, or is it just a way to determine what different legal procedures might cost? In any event, who keeps track of such things? :thinking:
 
Is it true that the "Mueller probe" has cost millions of dollars? I thought I had read that somewhere, but I am now wondering if that makes sense. IOW, did we really have to actually pay out various amounts to different people, after determining who owes who, or is it just a way to determine what different legal procedures might cost? In any event, who keeps track of such things? :thinking:

People don't work (for others) for free... well, legally.
 
Greetings, ttwtt78640. :2wave:

Is it true that the "Mueller probe" has cost millions of dollars? I thought I had read that somewhere, but I am now wondering if that makes sense. IOW, did we really have to actually pay out various amounts to different people, after determining who owes who, or is it just a way to determine what different legal procedures might cost? In any event, who keeps track of such things? :thinking:

Yep, lawyers are expensive as are hordes of investigators dedicated to rounding up lots of (500?) folks to question and to turn over documents to be examined by them. We were told that 'smoke existed' indicating that Russian collusion was likely to have been used to help the Trump POTUS campaign. Don't you feel much better now that spending those millions has assured us that we simply had a faulty smoke detector?
 
People don't work (for others) for free... well, legally.

Hmm... I imagine that many spent hours working (for free?) preparing their annual federal income tax returns. Only professional tax preparers get paid to do that - others 'elect' to do that job (chore?) for free.
 
Hmm... I imagine that many spent hours working (for free?) preparing their annual federal income tax returns. Only professional tax preparers get paid to do that - others 'elect' to do that job (chore?) for free.

You are working for yourself in order to satisfy financial or (take your pick) utility demand. People do pay to work (think about a gym)... they just don't pay to work for others unless it's charity, and again that's about some sort of utility demand function.
 
You are working for yourself in order to satisfy financial or (take your pick) utility demand. People do pay to work (think about a gym)... they just don't pay to work for others unless it's charity, and again that's about some sort of utility demand function.

Be honest - preparing an annual personal federal income tax report is an unfunded mandate.
 
Be honest - preparing an annual personal federal income tax report is an unfunded mandate.

People pay others to do it at times. There is a value in it, even if that value is derived from legal mandates (and potential financial damages). That's like saying doing your laundry is an unfunded mandate.

You clearly get my point (i made sure to include a qualifier so to avoid this type of response).
 
So exactly what part of my post is a lie?

Nothing you say can be trusted. You don't even acknowledge that the Republicans had control of the House, Senate and Presidency; and passed a tax cut bill, without cutting spending, that is skyrocketing our deficit. You are blatantly dishonest.
 
Nothing you say can be trusted. You don't even acknowledge that the Republicans had control of the House, Senate and Presidency; and passed a tax cut bill, without cutting spending, that is skyrocketing our deficit. You are blatantly dishonest.

WHAT? I do indeed acknowledge it and keep posting the official results. You keep ignoring the results and stick to your cut and paste lies. What effect did 7 interest rate hikes have on the deficit in 2017 AND 2018? You never answer direct questions but keep sticking to your cut and paste posts.You are totally incapable of doing any research to find out what was spent and what spending was cut. You totally ignore the Trump budget which actually cut department spending and you have no understanding as to the difference between mandatory and discretionary spending. You are a full blown liberal who is ashamed of that title so you claim to be an independent. Independents do research you have done none

Did you acknowledge that Bill Clinton had a Republican Congress most of his two terms? did you acknowledge that when Obama supposedly cut the deficit in 15 and 16 he had a Republican Congress? Of course not because you are too blinded by the left wing ideology
 
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