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U.K. Supreme Court Rules Trans Women Can’t Be Defined as Women

Master Debator said:
Who's reality? Not the reality expressed by the medical community.
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Depends on where that medical community is. The medical community in Sweden in Norway Finland the UK and many other places do not offer transition to minors.
 
cpwill said:
Europe was faster than us getting into this mess, and it never became as much of a culture-war-fervor item (where people feel the need to defend it absolutely because The Bad People Oppose It), so, they are a bit faster than us, it seems, in getting out of it.
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The same needs to be done here, obviously.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Depends on where that medical community is. The medical community in Sweden in Norway Finland the UK and many other places do not offer transition to minors.
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Yes they do. They offer it privately if you're willing to pay out of pocket or in a clinical settings for public health. What none of them have done is label gender affirming care, abuse.
 
SoccerCoach said:
Defining trans ideology as mental illness isnt an attack. ITs reality. Enabling them is an act of cruelty
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What is trans ideology? Its seems that only conservatives have ever heard of this absurd idea.

The medical community is very clear that being transgender is not a mental illness, so where did you get your medical or psych degree?
 
Master Debator said:
Yes they do. They offer it privately if you're willing to pay out of pocket or in a clinical settings for public health.
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That says something if they didn't offer it through nationalized health care
Master Debator said:
What none of them have done is label gender affirming care, abuse.
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Nobody labeled lobotomies abuse until they did.
 
CLAX1911 said:
Talking a kid into medical treatment they don't know the ramifications of and that for all intents and purposes you cannot show to be necessary

You will know.
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The educated people think the consequences will be beneficial and satisfaction and regret rates for transition surgery bear that out. Regret for transition surgery is around 1% or 2%. Regret for mastectomies because they detected breast cancer in young women, that's around 40%.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3015023/
 
Lisa said:
What is trans ideology? Its seems that only conservatives have ever heard of this absurd idea.

The medical community is very clear that being transgender is not a mental illness, so where did you get your medical or psych degree?
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2015 I have masters degree in psychology 25 years experience 8 in private practice. Transgender dysphoria is a socially contagions symptom of premorbid personality disorder, and or an emotional disturbance. Compare it to the eating disorders that are socially contagious. Its based on delusional thinking since biology cant be changed. Science defines gender as male or female. Youre invited to explain hiw a man can change into a woman without using distortions of language. Give evidence of a man who acquired the ability to give birth. The creation of new personality is symptom of a serious mental illness. Claims of so called intersex have no credibility. Theres are abnormal secondary sexual development, XXY are males, YX are females Swyer Syndrome are males. The disorder is spread among children with normal sexual development but damaged psychology. The most current valid science fails to support transgender absurdity.
 
SoccerCoach said:
2015 I have masters degree in psychology 25 years experience 8 in private practice. Transgender dysphoria is a socially contagions symptom of premorbid personality disorder, and or an emotional disturbance. Compare it to the eating disorders that are socially contagious. Its based on delusional thinking since biology cant be changed. Science defines gender as male or female. Youre invited to explain hiw a man can change into a woman without using distortions of language. Give evidence of a man who acquired the ability to give birth. The creation of new personality is symptom of a serious mental illness. Claims of so called intersex have no credibility. Theres are abnormal secondary sexual development, XXY are males, YX are females Swyer Syndrome are males. The disorder is spread among children with normal sexual development but damaged psychology. The most current valid science fails to support transgender absurdity.
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The DSM says you are full of sheet.
 
SoccerCoach said:
2015 I have masters degree in psychology 25 years experience 8 in private practice. Transgender dysphoria is a socially contagions symptom of premorbid personality disorder, and or an emotional disturbance. Compare it to the eating disorders that are socially contagious. Its based on delusional thinking since biology cant be changed. Science defines gender as male or female. Youre invited to explain hiw a man can change into a woman without using distortions of language. Give evidence of a man who acquired the ability to give birth. The creation of new personality is symptom of a serious mental illness. Claims of so called intersex have no credibility. Theres are abnormal secondary sexual development, XXY are males, YX are females Swyer Syndrome are males. The disorder is spread among children with normal sexual development but damaged psychology. The most current valid science fails to support transgender absurdity.
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😂

You would figure a person with a masters in psychology wouldn't need to strawman the other sides position.
 
Master Debator said:
The educated people think the consequences will be beneficial and satisfaction and regret rates for transition surgery bear that out.
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Incorrect you're talking about a demographic that has a 40% suicide rate. You're a demographics that are enslaved that have a lower suicide rate.
Master Debator said:
Regret for transition surgery is around 1% or 2%. Regret for mastectomies because they detected breast cancer in young women, that's around 40%.
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That seems like a very narrow circumstance. What if regret isn't the only problem?
Master Debator said:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3015023/
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CLAX1911 said:
Incorrect you're talking about a demographic that has a 40% suicide rate. You're a demographics that are enslaved that have a lower suicide rate.
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What does it matter if they have a 40% suicide rate? The two things could still be true. They could have low regret rates and high satisfaction for transition surgery and high suicide rates relative to the general population brought on by other mental health issues. You have to connect the two together with some evidence.
CLAX1911 said:
That seems like a very narrow circumstance. What if regret isn't the only problem?
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What are the other problems? I'm not here to make your argument for you. I'm making the point that trans patients are generally satisfied with their gender affirming care treatment, more so than even some life saving treatments from cancer.
 
Master Debator said:
What does it matter if they have a 40% suicide rate?
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It suggests identifying as transgender should be the last thing you want and make every opportunity for your child not to.
Master Debator said:
The two things could still be true. They could have low regret rates and high satisfaction for transition surgery and high suicide rates relative to the general population brought on by other mental health issues.
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Making the claim that this is brought on by social issues is absolutely false. Geographics way more shunned by society don't have nearly as high as suicide rates.
Master Debator said:
You have to connect the two together with some evidence.
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The best idea is to try and keep your child out of this demographic if you can.
Master Debator said:
What are the other problems? I'm not here to make your argument for you.
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I have no idea. Good morning almost half of these people kill themselves there's something wrong.
Master Debator said:
I'm making the point that trans patients are generally satisfied with their gender affirming care treatment, more so than even some life saving treatments from cancer.
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That doesn't seem to be the case.
 
CLAX1911 said:
It suggests identifying as transgender should be the last thing you want and make every opportunity for your child not to.
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No you're trying to suggest that without any supporting evidence. This is the meekness I'm referring to. I don't want to speak for any data you may have in mind that indicates that but most of the ones I know of suggest suicide rates remain high in the trans community due to things like lack of family and social support and in many cases open social hostility.
CLAX1911 said:
Making the claim that this is brought on by social issues is absolutely false. Geographics way more shunned by society don't have nearly as high as suicide rates.
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Is way more shunned the way some study worded it or is this you pretending to know what you're talking about again? Let's see the data on that.
CLAX1911 said:
The best idea is to try and keep your child out of this demographic if you can.
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How would one go about doing that? Amuse us with your uneducated musings for what steps you imagine parents can take to prevent their children from turning out trans. No PBS? NPR?
CLAX1911 said:
I have no idea. Good morning almost half of these people kill themselves there's something wrong.
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What's the something? Being able to speak knowledgeably about that is what separates the ignorant from the educated.
CLAX1911 said:
That doesn't seem to be the case.
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It does unless you can show otherwise.

What does the scholarly research say about the effect of gender transition on transgender well being
 
Master Debator said:
😂

No you're trying to suggest
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I know what I'm trying to suggest better than you.
Master Debator said:
Is way more shunned the way some study worded it or is this you pretending to know what you're talking about again? Let's see the data on that.
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No.
Master Debator said:
How would one go about doing that?
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When you're 9 year old says they're the opposite sex consider it pretend.
Master Debator said:
Amuse us with your uneducated musings for what steps you imagine parents can take to prevent their children from turning out trans. No PBS? NPR?
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It's don't take steps.
Master Debator said:
What's the something? Being able to speak knowledgeably about that is what separates the ignorant from the educated.
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This something is don't intervene with gender ideology.
Master Debator said:
It does unless you can show otherwise.
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Convince yourself however you need
Master Debator said:
What does the scholarly research say about the effect of gender transition on transgender well being
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Fact suggests otherwise.
 
CLAX1911 said:
I know what I'm trying to suggest better than you.
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Do you? Then why are you being frail? If someone other than you is suggesting gender affirming care is the cause of high suicide rates rather than the thing shown to improve mental health then present the source of that.
CLAX1911 said:
No.

When you're 9 year old says they're the opposite sex consider it pretend.
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Why? Because of your non medically educated recommendation?
CLAX1911 said:
It's don't take steps.

This something is don't intervene with gender ideology.

Convince yourself however you need

Fact suggests otherwise.
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You haven't even attempted to addess the facts presented in the studies that informed this analysis.
 
SoccerCoach said:
2015 I have masters degree in psychology 25 years experience 8 in private practice. Transgender dysphoria is a socially contagions symptom of premorbid personality disorder, and or an emotional disturbance. Compare it to the eating disorders that are socially contagious. Its based on delusional thinking since biology cant be changed. Science defines gender as male or female. Youre invited to explain hiw a man can change into a woman without using distortions of language. Give evidence of a man who acquired the ability to give birth. The creation of new personality is symptom of a serious mental illness. Claims of so called intersex have no credibility. Theres are abnormal secondary sexual development, XXY are males, YX are females Swyer Syndrome are males. The disorder is spread among children with normal sexual development but damaged psychology. The most current valid science fails to support transgender absurdity.
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Males should not be competing against females in sports...


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Lisa said:
The DSM says you are full of sheet.
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The DSM is list of disorders and insurance company will pay for its not a list of all mental disorders. Its also politically sensitive. You never answered my question if a man can change into a woman explain how he can give birth or have the ability. Put up or shut up
 
SoccerCoach said:
The DSM is list of disorders and insurance company will pay for its not a list of all mental disorders. Its also politically sensitive. You never answered my question if a man can change into a woman explain how he can give birth or have the ability. Put up or shut up
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The line between men and women is not always as clear-cut as you demand it to be. Ever heard of intersex people?
 
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