U.K. Supreme Court Rules Trans Women Can’t Be Defined as Women

[Bodi]

Their biology is different from their gender but you are not the kind of person who will allow facts to get in the way of your transphobic bigotry. Your ideas cause depression and anxiety, so its not harmless free speech.

I'm not tolerant of conservative harassment of minorities. Hypothetically, would making sure they have a 9mm way of fighting back against your harassment change your ideas?

You want to have a 9mm for people that verbally disagree with your terminology?

 

[rahl]

Still wrong

Objectively correct

Says the one who fails to understand the distinction between genetic defects and birth defects.

Basic biology

Sure it is

Objectively isn’t.

Yep

Nope

 

[Gordy327]

Objectively correct

Still wrong

Basicbiology

Says the one who fails to understand the distinction between genetic defects and birth defects

Objectively isn’t.

Sure it is

Nope

Yep

 

[rahl]

Still wrong

Objectively correct

Says the one who fails to understand the distinction between genetic defects and birth defects

Basic biology

Sure it is

Objectively isn’t

Yep

Nope

You aren’t going to win this lol

 

[Gordy327]

Objectively correct

Still wrong

Basic biology

Says the one who fails to understand the distinction between genetic defects and birth defects.

Objectively isn’t

Sure it is

Nope

Yep

You aren’t going to win this lol

Speak for yourself

 

[rahl]

Still wrong

Objectively correct

Says the one who fails to understand the distinction between genetic defects and birth defects.

Basic biology

Sure it is

Objectively isn’t.

Yep

Nope.

Speak for yourself

I will speak for reality. Objective reality doesn’t care about your hurt feelings or ideology.

 

[Gordy327]

Objectively correct

Still wrong

Basic biology

Says the one who fails to understand the distinction between genetic defects and birth defects

Objectively isn’t.

Sure it is

Nope.

Yep

I will speak for reality. Objective reality doesn’t care about your hurt feelings or ideology.

Projection

 

[rahl]

Still wrong

Objective fact

Says the one who fails to understand the distinction between genetic defects and birth defects

Basic biology

Sure it is

Objectively isn’t.

Yep

Nope

Projection

Objective reality

 

[Bodi]

Can we get a Mod to stop this ****ing spamming please? Thank you.

 

[Gordy327]

Objective fact

Still wrong

Basic biology

Says the one who fails to understand the distinction between genetic defects and birth defects

Objectively isn’t.

Sure it is

Nope

Yep

Objective reality

Fantasy

 

[CLAX1911]

1993 to 1995, I didn't claim to still live there. I was a tech volunteer - I've talked about my experiences many times with other posters on this forum.

But you still never worked with LGBT Muslims because there's no such thing.

Muslim means submissive, particularly submissive to Islam. If you submit to Islam you cannot defy it so being LGBT is defiance therefore cause you're defiant you cannot submit.

Your posting called for it.



Puberty blockers may be called castration drugs in the US but this "castration" is reversible by stopping use of the drugs. You went for a reaction with the phrase "castration" and fooled another poster into it.

The only way you reverse chemical castration is to reverse time. If you were going to start puberty and you're on a castration drug you're not starting puberty when you're supposed to so unless you can turn that clock backwards there's no temporary effect here.

You may say that damage is reduced and that's debatable but unless you can hop in a time machine and go back in time and start your puberty over no.

The quacks that say that this is reversible are beyond discredited. you might as well be insisting that the Earth is flat.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

But you still never worked with LGBT Muslims because there's no such thing.

Bollocks.

Hidayah LGBT

Serving lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and queer Muslims in the UK and the US - Providing support, education and welfare for the LGBT+ Muslim community, as well as friends and family.

hidayahlgbt.com

Imaan LGBTQI Muslim Support - London LGBTQ Community Centre

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Muslim means submissive, particularly submissive to Islam. If you submit to Islam you cannot defy it so being LGBT is defiance therefore cause you're defiant you cannot submit.

I don't care what you think "muslim" means, your understanding is weak. No proof with your theories thus ignored.

The only way you reverse chemical castration is to reverse time. If you were going to start puberty and you're on a castration drug you're not starting puberty when you're supposed to so unless you can turn that clock backwards there's no temporary effect here.

You may say that damage is reduced and that's debatable but unless you can hop in a time machine and go back in time and start your puberty over no.

The quacks that say that this is reversible are beyond discredited. you might as well be insisting that the Earth is flat

No proof with your theories thus ignored.

 

[Lisa]

But you still never worked with LGBT Muslims because there's no such thing.

Muslim means submissive, particularly submissive to Islam. If you submit to Islam you cannot defy it so being LGBT is defiance therefore cause you're defiant you cannot submit.

You're wrong again. https://qz.com/889548/everyone-trea...ly-one-way-to-survive-as-a-transgender-person

The only way you reverse chemical castration is to reverse time. If you were going to start puberty and you're on a castration drug you're not starting puberty when you're supposed to so unless you can turn that clock backwards there's no temporary effect here.

You may say that damage is reduced and that's debatable but unless you can hop in a time machine and go back in time and start your puberty over no.

The quacks that say that this is reversible are beyond discredited. you might as well be insisting that the Earth is flat.

What is your source that puberty blockers arent reversible when they are stopped because 30 years of the medical community are laughing at your absurd claims. Kids that are diagnosed with a precocious puberty certainty do restart their puberty when they stop taking the blockers.

The Effects of Puberty Blockers Are Non-Permanent: 14 FAQs

The effects of puberty blockers are not permanent, whether the medication is being used to treat precocious puberty or as a part of gender affirming care.

www.healthline.com

Are the changes permanent?​

GnRH analogues don't cause permanent physical changes. Instead, they pause puberty. That offers a chance to explore gender identity. It also gives youth and their families time to plan for the psychological, medical, developmental, social and legal issues that may lie ahead..



When a person stops taking GnRH analogues, puberty starts again.

When does treatment usually start and end?​

In general, puberty begins around age 10 or 11, though it may start earlier or later. The effect of puberty blockers depends on when a person begins to take the medicine. GnRH analogue treatment can begin at the start of puberty to delay the development of secondary sex characteristics. In slightly later stages of puberty, the treatment could be used to stop menstruation or erections. It also may prevent further development of secondary sex characteristics.



While many people take the medicine for a few years, everyone is different. After delaying puberty for several years, some teens might decide to stop taking puberty-blocking medicine. Or they may start taking hormones that match their gender identity. This is called gender-affirming hormone therapy.

Puberty blockers for transgender and gender-diverse youth

Understand how puberty blockers work to suppress puberty. Learn about their benefits, side effects and long-term effects.

www.mayoclinic.org

 

[CLAX1911]

You're wrong again. https://qz.com/889548/everyone-trea...ly-one-way-to-survive-as-a-transgender-person

If your LGBT you are not submitting to Islam.

That's why they throw people off of buildings there for it.

What is your source that puberty blockers arent reversible

The understanding that time is not reversible.

when they are stopped because 30 years of the medical community are laughing at your absurd claims. Kids that are diagnosed with a precocious puberty certainty do restart their puberty when they stop taking the blockers.

I'm not really worried about people that should be in prison laughing at me.

The Effects of Puberty Blockers Are Non-Permanent: 14 FAQs

The effects of puberty blockers are not permanent, whether the medication is being used to treat precocious puberty or as a part of gender affirming care.

www.healthline.com

Puberty blockers for transgender and gender-diverse youth

Understand how puberty blockers work to suppress puberty. Learn about their benefits, side effects and long-term effects.

www.mayoclinic.org

These sources are lying to you. Unless they've invented time travel no.

 

[j brown's body]

Europe was faster than us getting into this mess, and it never became as much of a culture-war-fervor item (where people feel the need to defend it absolutely because The Bad People Oppose It), so, they are a bit faster than us, it seems, in getting out of it.

Another important - and unanimous! - step in that journey:

U.K. Supreme Court Rules Trans Women Can’t Be Defined as Women

Britain’s top court ruled only those born female can be considered women, a landmark judgment that excludes transgender women from the legal definition and paves the way for tighter limits on female-only spaces and services. ...​

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“The unanimous decision of this court is that the terms ‘woman’ and ‘sex’ in the Equality Act 2010 refer to biological women and biological sex,” said the court’s deputy president, Lord Hodge....​

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In the 88-page ruling, the judges said the concept of sex was binary, referring to either a woman or a man, and that they hoped the ruling would give clarity to the law while protecting both women and transgender people.​

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“The ordinary meaning of those plain and unambiguous words corresponds with the biological characteristics that make an individual a man or a woman,” the ruling read.​

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“These are assumed to be self-explanatory and to require no further explanation.”​

Different from you guys though. It didn't call them men.

 

[Lisa]

If your LGBT you are not submitting to Islam.

That's why they throw people off of buildings there for it.

Not all Islam sects have the same beliefs/stance on LGBTQ issues. In Iran, the government healthcare system funds transgender care, as long as the person is heterosexual and has surgery.

The understanding that time is not reversible.

What is your sources that says that blockers are not reversible? Post them so I can read it! If you can prove they are not reversible then there is a 50K person class action lawsuit of kids with precocious puberty that are infertile for life. Even HRT is reversible, though some effects take longer to go away than other. Fertility doesn't go away until surgery, so trans people who are sexually active are told to use birth control because they are still somewhat fertile.

I'm not really worried about people that should be in prison laughing at me.

Who is supposed to be in prison and what crime did they commit?

These sources are lying to you. Unless they've invented time travel no.

You seem to think that everyone is lying except those people that you believe. You still dont have any sources that you are willing to admit to, unless you are a Dr? Zero sources means you have zero credibility.

 

[CLAX1911]

Not all Islam sects have the same beliefs/stance on LGBTQ issues.

Is Island allowed to have sects?

In Iran, the government healthcare system funds transgender care, as long as the person is heterosexual and has surgery.

By force to gay people because they'd rather than transition then be gay.

What is your sources that says that blockers are not reversible?

Again you've asked this already and I've answered. Time space continuum moving one way.

Post them so I can read it!

I did time is linear.

If you can prove they are not reversible then there is a 50K person class action lawsuit of kids with precocious puberty that are infertile for life.

I don't have to prove that they're not reversible you have to prove that they are.

Even HRT is reversible, though some effects take longer to go away than other. Fertility doesn't go away until surgery, so trans people who are sexually active are told to use birth control because they are still somewhat fertile.

Either way these things shouldn't be applied to children anyone doing it to face 30 years in prison.

Who is supposed to be in prison and what crime did they commit?

Lawyers that say that there's a such thing as gender affirming care, Molesting children.

You seem to think that everyone is lying except those people that you believe.

I know they are lying. And so does everyone else.

You still dont have any sources that you are willing to admit to, unless you are a Dr? Zero sources means you have zero credibility.

Nope I'm not interested in convincing you I don't think it would be possible with absolute concrete proof. Do you want to believe in this nonsense so you will regardless just like any other religious person.

 

[Lisa]

Is Island allowed to have sects?

There are 3 major sects. Sunni, Shia and Sufi.

By force to gay people because they'd rather than transition then be gay.

What?

Again you've asked this already and I've answered. Time space continuum moving one way.

I did time is linear.

Nonsense.

I don't have to prove that they're not reversible you have to prove that they are.

I have already proved they are reversible with multiple medical sources.

Either way these things shouldn't be applied to children anyone doing it to face 30 years in prison.

You're not a Dr, so you dont get to make these decisions.

Lawyers that say that there's a such thing as gender affirming care, Molesting children.

Nobody is molestation children with medical care. That is more conservative nonsense that you are afraid to post a source.

I know they are lying. And so does everyone else.

Then prove it.

Nope I'm not interested in convincing you I don't think it would be possible with absolute concrete proof. Do you want to believe in this nonsense so you will regardless just like any other religious person.

You don't have any sources that would stand up to scrutiny and you know it.

 

[CLAX1911]

There are 3 major sects. Sunni, Shia and Sufi.

What is the difference between these? Which one support the hadiths and which ones believe that God speaking through a prophet ended at Muhammad?

What?

So you don't know. Add that to the enormous heap of things you don't know.

Nonsense.

So then you'll have to prove that you can go back in time

I have already proved they are reversible with multiple medical sources.

No you didn't the only way you can prove that it's reversible is that you can go back in time and go have the puberty you are meant to have. If not it's already disrupted and that can't be reversed.

You're not a Dr, so you dont get to make these decisions.

But I am a human being with a brain and a conscience and I can say if you're abusing children in this way you should be in prison.

Nobody is molestation children with medical care.

Oh yeah it's not really medical care it's under the guise of medical Care, so that adults don't feel so alone

That is more conservative nonsense that you are afraid to post a source.

Whatever you need to tell yourself

Then prove it.

It's already proven

You don't have any sources that would stand up to scrutiny and you know it.

Then why are you so desperate to discredit me

 

[Infinite Chaos]

If your LGBT you are not submitting to Islam.

That's why they throw people off of buildings there for it.

You are conflating ISIS with the rest of Islam. 25% of the world's population is muslim and there should be stories of gay people being thrown off buildings fairly regularly rather than in very remote backwards part of the world.

Is Island allowed to have sects?

Yes, same as Christianity has different sects.

Islamic schools and branches - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Your perspective is that of someone who has very little reading or travel outside of your home town.

The understanding that time is not reversible.

No you didn't the only way you can prove that it's reversible is that you can go back in time and go have the puberty you are meant to have. If not it's already disrupted and that can't be reversed.

I think I understand your argument now - it's like YOU were forced to have puberty blockers and want to go back in time and reclaim your lost childhood. A young person who chooses to take blockers has made a different decision and "time travel" is a silly childish argument for them.

 

[CLAX1911]

You are conflating ISIS with the rest of Islam.

No Islam means submit that's a linguistics thing it's not a political movement thing.

25% of the world's population is muslim and there should be stories of gay people being thrown off buildings fairly regularly rather than in very remote backwards part of the world.

There are it's just nobody cares.

Yes, same as Christianity has different sects.

That started after the Renaissance Islam hasn't had a Renaissance.

Islamic schools and branches - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Wikipedia is never a valid source.

Your perspective is that of someone who has very little reading or travel outside of your home town.

Because I don't believe your falsehoods?

I think I understand your argument now

It's that puberty blockers are not reversible. Your body decides when the puberty starts if some outside force interferes with this you don't get it back.

- it's like YOU were forced to have puberty blockers and want to go back in time and reclaim your lost childhood.

Not even close to a relevant misrepresentation.

A young person who chooses to take blockers has made a different decision and "time travel" is a silly childish argument for them.

A young person who is tricked into taking puberty blockers because somebody says it will magically change their sex is a victim.

They are having their puberty stolen from them by fruit loops that want to justify this insane nonsense that people can magically change their sex.

What really winds up happening is they grow up to be prepubescent adults. And possibly face high levels of particular cancers.

Even the term puberty blocker is a lie it is chemical castration.

Remember people like exactly like you where arguing for lobotomies just 60 years ago.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

No Islam means submit that's a linguistics thing it's not a political movement thing.

There are it's just nobody cares.


That started after the Renaissance Islam hasn't had a Renaissance.

Wikipedia is never a valid source.

Because I don't believe your falsehoods?

It's that puberty blockers are not reversible. Your body decides when the puberty starts if some outside force interferes with this you don't get it back.

Not even close to a relevant misrepresentation.

A young person who is tricked into taking puberty blockers because somebody says it will magically change their sex is a victim.

They are having their puberty stolen from them by fruit loops that want to justify this insane nonsense that people can magically change their sex.

What really winds up happening is they grow up to be prepubescent adults. And possibly face high levels of particular cancers.

Even the term puberty blocker is a lie it is chemical castration.

Remember people like exactly like you where arguing for lobotomies just 60 years ago.

So much crap and misinformation, I can't be bothered any further.

 

[CLAX1911]

So much crap and misinformation, I can't be bothered any further.

I accept your surrender.

 

[SoccerCoach]

Gotta have those targets to punch down at, otherwise how will you warm your cold heart with the feeling of being more powerful than someone?

Cross dressing mena rent women they are men with a mental illness enabling them is an act of abuse

 

[SoccerCoach]

Weak talking points from someone who wants to put trans people "back in their place."

Defining trans ideology as mental illness isnt an attack. ITs reality. Enabling them is an act of cruelty