Two vastly different views of an expensive home

[smallvoice]

Then you acknowledge that our nation is not as well today as it was four years ago under Obama

Would that not indicate the Make America Great Again promise of tRump was a failure

Nope.

 

[smallvoice]

That is nonsense. America was the leader of the free world at the end of President Obama's term in office; now we are the laughing stock and our passports are impediments to travel. Trump has compromised every alliance we've maintained since War 2 and buddied up to our enemies instead. Joe Biden is singularly prepared to rebuild alliances and set boundaries for those that oppose us; without starting a war. Trump's people won't even brief him on all of his options because they are afraid of what he might do.

Liberal nonsense. Obama groveled in China, tied our businesses up in red tape, and tried to give away the farm on trade deals that benefitted our adversaries, and tied our hands on defense matters. Barry's administration was an abysmal failure, but then he was the first blackish President, so all is well in liberal eyes.

 

[VanceMack]

Really? Why can't all people in America working 40 hours a week earn a living wage? Why does the average black household have about 10% of the wealth of the average white household? Why do people in America die because they can't afford healthcare? Capitalism. Your focus on a capitalist is disingenuous.

Silly questions most often asked by people that have no idea what it takes to start and run a business. Your worth is not measured by the number of hours you work. The 'average' black American household is lower because 54% of the black American families make middle to upper income wages while 29% are at poverty to lower middle income and 17% are at virtual zero to poverty levels. The 54% included in the 'average' are carrying the burden for the other 46%. The 46% that remain struggling typical live in rat infested rat run cities that have literally done nothing for the home and economic development of the black American communities. As for healthcare, prior to the idiot leftists ****ing up the nations healthcare system with the ironically titled "affordable" care act, 83-87% of the US population had insurance, most of those that didnt have insurance could afford it but chose non essential expenses as a lifestyle choice, and those that had no coverage were still able to get life saving medical care through any publicly funded hospital in the country.

Here's the beauty in all this. Start your own business and make sure that you pay your employees a livable wage for 40 hours, regardless of the needed investment, operating costs, and value of service. See, that is the true joy of capitalism. All you people that bleat on about this **** are free to live whatever socialist wet dream you can create for yourself.

 

[Bullseye]

But there is a limit on the number of "expensive" homes that can be built so how could everyone have one? You're essentially suggesting everyone should be above average.

Let's be more accurate. Conservatives believe everyone should have a system in which they are able to rises as high as their capabilities, and personal traits can take them. We're still working on making that happen. And please note that the individual, not the government is the main factor in making it happen.

 

[HenryChinaski]

Move to Cuba if it's so nice.

Typical right wing cliché response. I suggest traveling more and getting different perspectives of the world. You don't learn about other people from visiting DisneyWorlds "Theme park versions of other countries"

 

[Irwin Corey]

Liberal nonsense. Obama groveled in China, tied our businesses up in red tape, and tried to give away the farm on trade deals that benefitted our adversaries, and tied our hands on defense matters. Barry's administration was an abysmal failure, but then he was the first blackish President, so all is well in liberal eyes.

That's the problem isn't it? Bye now! :2wave:

 

[Simpletruther]

But there is a limit on the number of "expensive" homes that can be built so how could everyone have one? You're essentially suggesting everyone should be above average.

No, it suggests the average can rise. And history shows it does under capitalism.

 

[Simpletruther]

Living on a diet of processed 2 for a $1.00 gas station hot dogs and big gulps because that's all one can afford and has access too is the same thing as starving.

This is bogus, some of the healthiest foods are dirt cheap, potato’s, cabbage, carrots etc.

overweight poor often simply prefer higher fast junky food over cheap health food.

 

[Simpletruther]

Fun Fact: In Capitalist America, Poor People Are Fat!

I grew up in a household where the school lunch was the only meal that I had that day. During a long stretch I went weekends without a meal because I wasn't in school. I know what it is to go days without food which is why I have empathy for others Everyone's situations and circumstances are different. The ****ing problem with conservatives is that they see everything in black and white, this or that, one way of the other. They are incapable of nuance. Their other problem is that the suffer from an inability to feel sympathy or empathy for others. Unless it's happening to them personally, it's not happening.

Why did your gaurdians not feed you?

 

[cpwill]

Plutocratic capitalism fails the people. It's not filled with rich people trying to help everyone be rich, it's filled with rich people who use the wealth to get power to take as much of the wealth for themselves as possible. They create a gilded society of mansions next to people dying without healthcare. And they point at the failures of communism to suggest that anything else is worse, a self-serving lie. It's progressive Democratic Capitalism that creates wealth for all.

If you want to denounce corporatism and allowing the government to steer economic ends (invariably resulting in regulatory capture), count me all in.

If, however, you want to argue that large welfare states are what create a wealthier populace.... on that, no.

 

[cpwill]

You seem to have forgotten to compare the number of people that don't have homes compared to a few decades ago. Capitalism at work...

:raises eyebrow: if by that you mean that more homes are available for a larger number of households, and that these homes are larger, better built, and have more amenities, sure.

You may be referencing this:

which does indeed show capitalism's ability to provide ever-greater number of ever-improving goods for an increasing population.

Or were you trying to refer to the homeless population?

 

[Citizen]

But there is a limit on the number of "expensive" homes that can be built so how could everyone have one? You're essentially suggesting everyone should be above average.

If everyone has the same.....isn’t that socialism?????

 

[Craig234]

If you want to denounce corporatism and allowing the government to steer economic ends (invariably resulting in regulatory capture), count me all in.

If, however, you want to argue that large welfare states are what create a wealthier populace.... on that, no.

You're using vague terms. We have a corporate system that can generate massive amounts of wealth. The question is, will that massive wealth be held by a few for them to keep power and nearly all the wealth, or will it be distributed broadly.

If by welfare state you mean people getting healthcare, education, and wealth not being hoarded by a few, we disagree. If you mean a functioning private economy to generate a lot of wealth, but with the public good more protected than it is, then we agree. That's what I mean by Democratic Capitalism. Don't allow a lot of corporate harm, create more opportunity and broad-based prosperity.

 

[Craig234]

If everyone has the same.....isn’t that socialism?????

No one is advocating that. The right is advocating plutocracy. Democrats are advocating modest inequality, at least like in the FDR era to the 1960's.

 

[cpwill]

You're using vague terms. We have a corporate system that can generate massive amounts of wealth. The question is, will that massive wealth be held by a few for them to keep power and nearly all the wealth, or will it be distributed broadly.

You are assuming a cap and a centralized distribution mechanism - that is not the structure in a free trade economy.

The most relevant question is: what system maximizes human freedom without endangering human liberty? After that comes: what system provides the greatest regular increases in standards of living for its population?

If by welfare state you mean people getting healthcare, education, and wealth not being hoarded by a few, we disagree. If you mean a functioning private economy to generate a lot of wealth, but with the public good more protected than it is, then we agree. That's what I mean by Democratic Capitalism. Don't allow a lot of corporate harm, create more opportunity and broad-based prosperity.

:lol: now who's speaking in vague terms "Don't Allow Bad Stuff" "Have Good Stuff" ?

 

[VanceMack]

The ****ing problem with conservatives is that they see everything in black and white, this or that, one way of the other.

:lamo

Please disconnect and secure your irony meters in their protective cases.....

A good number of us conservatives can match you story for story regarding hardships. We dont lack empathy...quite the opposite. The difference in our perspectives is your version of empathy is 'sympathy' and all it has ever done is kept people stuck in a deep dark hole. Your version of empathy doesnt help...it cripples. The cities in this country are filled with the byproduct of your 'empathy'.

Sounds like you had a life. I guess its a good thing that you rolled over on your back, pissed yourself, and let others coo at you and provide for you an existence without having to work to change your circumstances. Lucky you!

 

[Craig234]

You are assuming a cap and a centralized distribution mechanism - that is not the structure in a free trade economy.

Where did I say that? I'm talking about taxes.

The most relevant question is: what system maximizes human freedom without endangering human liberty? After that comes: what system provides the greatest regular increases in standards of living for its population?

And that is Democratic Capitalism not the plutocratic capitalism we have.

:lol: now who's speaking in vague terms "Don't Allow Bad Stuff" "Have Good Stuff" ?

Quotation marks mean something: actual quotation, not your misrepresented straw men.

It's dishonest of you to put false quotes.

My post was appropriately specific. If you had a question you could ask. Because you responded as you did, it looks like you don't deserve to get to.

 

[Sweden]

But there is a limit on the number of "expensive" homes that can be built so how could everyone have one? You're essentially suggesting everyone should be above average.

If many expensive homes are built they become less expensive. As one learns in the first week of any economics course. That happens in a market economy but not in a socialist one where the better home is simply given to a high ranking party member for as long as his loyalty to the regime remains unquestioned.

 

[Sweden]

What do capitalism and communism have in common?
Starving poor people

Since China abandoned a communist economy for capitalism its people have gone from starvation to abundance. To give but one example. Your comment bears no relation to history or fact.

 

[D_NATURED]

Not "today", we do have a pandemic, you know. But before that, hell yes, and when it's gone, we need Trump's policies to get rolling again, not the failed policies of the Dim past.

The thing that would be hilarious about conservatives- if it weren't so ****ing sad- is the tenacity of their faith in a PROVEN loser. It's incredible that after 35 years of supply side economics with its oppressive debt and how it always manifests as misery in the lives of average, working people, Rube-publicans still call out for more bubble and bust policies as if it's not an utter ****ing failure. That's right, I'll say it to every republican and every democrat who panders to these idiots by calling themselves a "fiscal conservative", your fiscal legacy is incompetence, graft and massive debt. The fiscal conservatives have screwed this country so badly we shan't ever recover and their answer is more of the same.

So, please keep your pathetic, failure of an economic religion to yourself. I can no longer pretend you are just deluded, misinformed or an innocent victim of an unscrupulous but charismatic cult leader. The cult has remained true to its false god despite the mountain of evidence contradicting its value. The word "tax" has been so successfully poisoned by crooked, greedy politicians that its utility to create things like societal stability and social equity have been completely abandoned as an option.

Before Reaganomics started destroying our country we had a 74% top tax rate, and we had less than a trillion in national debt, despite having gone through WWII, Korea, Vietnam and having a much more generous social safety net, were the worlds number one exporter of manufactured goods and had international respect. But, you want Trump's policies, with record deficits and transparent corruption?

Like a responsible bar tender, I have to say "sorry, pal, you've had enough".

 

[HenryChinaski]

:lamo

Please disconnect and secure your irony meters in their protective cases.....

A good number of us conservatives can match you story for story regarding hardships. We dont lack empathy...quite the opposite. The difference in our perspectives is your version of empathy is 'sympathy' and all it has ever done is kept people stuck in a deep dark hole. Your version of empathy doesnt help...it cripples. The cities in this country are filled with the byproduct of your 'empathy'.

Sounds like you had a life. I guess its a good thing that you rolled over on your back, pissed yourself, and let others coo at you and provide for you an existence without having to work to change your circumstances. Lucky you!

As I said, conservative solutions for helping people is to do "absolutely nothing" while actively working to remove the tools and resources for people to help themselves. School lunches? **** that make your own lunch kid. Medicare, Social Security? Tough luck buddy you should've saved more cash. Got laid off your and job and cobra ran out and you're diagnosed with leukemia? Not my problem, better pull yourself up by your bootstraps and get some medical insurance. I get all misty eyed from all of that "compassionate conservatism". George carlin nailed conservatives perfectly

Boy, these conservatives are really something, aren't they? They're all in favor of the unborn. They will do anything for the unborn. But once you're born, you're on your own. Pro-life conservatives are obsessed with the fetus from conception to nine months. After that, they don't want to know about you. They don't want to hear from you. No nothing. No neonatal care, no day care, no head start, no school lunch, no food stamps, no welfare, no nothing. If you're preborn, you're fine; if you're preschool, you're ****ed.

 

[VanceMack]

As I said, conservative solutions for helping people is to do "absolutely nothing" while actively working to remove the tools and resources for people to help themselves. School lunches? **** that make your own lunch kid. Medicare, Social Security? Tough luck buddy you should've saved more cash. Got laid off your and job and cobra ran out and you're diagnosed with leukemia? Not my problem, better pull yourself up by your bootstraps and get some medical insurance. I get all misty eyed from all of that "compassionate conservatism". George carlin nailed conservatives perfectly

:lamo

your idea of conservative solutions is embarrassing. But hey...lucky for you some wonderful socialist gave you everything and lifted you up out of poverty and all you had to do was piss yourself and squeal and then when he or she was done enjoy the great gifts they gave you. Lucky you...you didnt do a ****ing thing to earn any of your success in life.

 

[justabubba]

Nope.

what does it tell you that under tRump America is in a lesser place than it was four years ago?

 

[pocket aces]

The OP posted a thread on this topic already. His handlers must be regurgitating talking points or the Alzheimer’s is taking effect


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[post]

When a capitalist and a socialist look at an expensive home, this is what they say. A socialist says no one should live in an expensive home like that. OTOH a capitalist says it would be great if everyone could live in a home like that. And they work toward that happening.

The Fed - Distribution: Distribution of Household Wealth in the U.S. since 1989