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Sweet, hot sexy imps!They can open and close when they want. They can refuse a particular kind of service if they want (Colorado baker was a good example). They cannot make demands on employees regarding Religious Services or Devotionals and the employer claiming not to ask the employer to believe in God but just participate in the Devotional is not going to fly unless this gets to the SC and religious zealots of the current Court just decide to jackass it up AGAIN.
However, lets look more at the employer that would try to sidestep the spirit of the Law as much as the letter of the Law in this subtle dodge. How much of his soul has he bartered away to the Devil in this effort to get an employee to bend to his will? How much actual religious faith does that employer carry in his heart?
I hope you are on this board employer. Listen carefully......Satan's imps are waiting for you....stocking the fires. Have a nice day.
I thought I was clear enough. The same LAW that prohibits employment discrimination based on race prevents discrimination based on religion.
what causes you to post that assuredness?
I understand what you say. The REAL problem here is that he was asked on one occasion to lead the Christian prayer (he will need to prove that). Otherwise, I believe it should be fine for the company to ask them to sit at the "prayer meeting" on the "company" clock. It is because you can sit there and not participate. In fact, you can bad mouth their god in your heart all you want. So, the REAL deal is "participate"That the facts show a clear violation of the law? 'Employer must provide reasonable accommodation to religious views'. Employer demands employees participate in religious activity, terminates them.
OK, I don't agree and the law in place to get rid of that kind of toxic discrimination also doesn't agree.The basis of discrimination, when it comes to religion, shouldn't apply to private businesses. I'm agnostic so I have no dog in this fight directly - except for supporting the right of religious people to hire and work only with other religious people of their choosing.
The word is "join." Can a company assign you to sit at the meeting without joining the prayer?It seems pretty clear that the Civil Rights Act of 1964 has been violated if joining a religious event is a condition of employment.
i did not see where that employee was required to participate in a religious activityThat the facts show a clear violation of the law? 'Employer must provide reasonable accommodation to religious views'. Employer demands employees participate in religious activity, terminates them.
he was paid to participate in a staff meeting of his employerIt seems pretty clear that the Civil Rights Act of 1964 has been violated if joining a religious event is a condition of employment.
You can't not "join" in the prayer. You are in the prayer meeting. He might as well require people to attend a church service, but then say it's OK not to believe. Can the company assign you a mat then require you to face Mecca and kneel on that mat 5 times a day, without requiring you to mouth the prayers? Obviously that is requiring a person to join the prayer to Allah. Nothing is different just because these participants aren't required to kneel to pray, they are still joining in the prayer directed at them or others by being in the room, every day.The word is "join." Can a company assign you to sit at the meeting without joining the prayer?
Except that the "meeting" was an overtly religious prayer service. You keep ignoring that part.i did not see where that employee was required to participate in a religious activity
he was invited to lead prayer and opted not to do so
he was being paid to sit thru a meeting
Yes, if you sit in on a religious service, you are being forced to participate in that service, whether you're required to speak or just listen to that service.if being paid to sit is viewed as participating then you may have a case
i know i will have participated in a hell of a lot of movies, if your viewpoint is found to be valid
The Supremes should have a ball with this one.
2 NC workers fired for not joining company's daily Christian devotionals, EEOC says
The plaintiffs, one an atheist and the other an agnostic, say the daily prayer meetings went against their respective religious beliefs.abc11.com
he was paid to participate in a staff meeting of his employer
one in which the Christian members of the staff spoke about their faith
yes, he was exposed to their religious expressions
and yes, he was obligated to sit thru a discussion of things with which he disagreed
much as any employee has experienced while being compelled to attend a staff meeting
Sue their asses.The Supremes should have a ball with this one.
2 NC workers fired for not joining company's daily Christian devotionals, EEOC says
The plaintiffs, one an atheist and the other an agnostic, say the daily prayer meetings went against their respective religious beliefs.abc11.com
Correction: USED to prohibit discrimination against an employee based on religion. With our newer more "improved" SCOTUS that's al gone to sh*t now.our employment laws prohibit discrimination against an employee based on religion.
You are like the rest of the religious right, you do not want to be discriminated against due to your religion, but you want to be able to use your religion to discriminate.thx, hmm, it is like working at a Christian school but do not want to join the "staff meeting." It is not a wrongful dismissal in my book
On the other hand, did some big companies let some of their woke workers go too?
Bring uncomfortable sitting in a religious meeting is clearly an issue of their religious freedom easy to accomodate.i did not see where that employee was required to participate in a religious activity
he was invited to lead prayer and opted not to do so
he was being paid to sit thru a meeting
if being paid to sit is viewed as participating then you may have a case
i know i will have participated in a hell of a lot of movies, if your viewpoint is found to be valid
Religious views are protected by law. Most secular topics are not. A few are, a meeting about sex would also infringe on their rights, as would a meeting to criticize their race.he was paid to participate in a staff meeting of his employer
one in which the Christian members of the staff spoke about their faith
yes, he was exposed to their religious expressions
and yes, he was obligated to sit thru a discussion of things with which he disagreed
much as any employee has experienced while being compelled to attend a staff meeting
excluding them from staff meetings because of their religious non-beliefs would be an EEO violationBring uncomfortable sitting in a religious meeting is clearly an issue of their religious freedom easy to accomodate.
Allowing them the option to not attend without penalty is not 'excluding them', and it's likely that holding such religious meetings at all as company activities, as opposed to allowing employees to on their own time, with all the likely pressure and risk to their positions, could constitute a hostile work environment.excluding them from staff meetings because of their religious non-beliefs would be an EEO violation
without so many business events - hell, even political ones - beginning with a Christian prayer, i could find your argument credibleAllowing them the option to not attend without penalty is not 'excluding them', and it's likely that holding such religious meetings at all as company activities, as opposed to allowing employees to on their own time, with all the likely pressure and risk to their positions, could constitute a hostile work environment.
Prayer in business events is a lot more rare than you think, and an opening prayer is a far cry from a meeting about prayer.without so many business events - hell, even political ones - beginning with a Christian prayer, i could find your argument credible
Count you as in favor of the principle of two wrongs make a right.without so many business events - hell, even political ones - beginning with a Christian prayer, i could find your argument credible
I would guess that unless you are working for a religious organization you would have the right to opt out. BTW, does that apply to diversity training where I don't want to get a transgender education because I believe it's immoral and sinful and making me listen would violate my religious freedom?The Supremes should have a ball with this one.
2 NC workers fired for not joining company's daily Christian devotionals, EEOC says
The plaintiffs, one an atheist and the other an agnostic, say the daily prayer meetings went against their respective religious beliefs.abc11.com
while i doubt you actually have a legitimate grasp about what i think is found rare, you do acknowledge there are occasions when business activities include prayerPrayer in business events is a lot more rare than you think, and an opening prayer is a far cry from a meeting about prayer.
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