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What? That the law was passed only six days ago?
and how the recently passed anti-abortion bill will affect children's* health in texas.
This is a link to interactive map from the the Texas tribune that shows the number of abortions and and the locations of where the clinics and amubulatory clinics are located
Interactive: Where Women Received Abortions Across Texas | The Texas Tribune
this link is to a site that provides rent and income information of every neighborhood and city in America. view the statistics for the state of texas.
Rich Blocks, Poor Blocks | Neighborhood income and rent maps of U.S. cities
when you look at the information provided by these maps, it provides context to the abortion fight in texas, and how the recently passed anti-abortion bill will affect womens health in texas.
what are we supposed to be taking away from these maps?...what "conclusion" did you reach?
I got the impression that 5 ambulatory surgical clinics will not be enough to cover the reproductive needs of texas's women population.
and i noticed the number of abortions in certain county's, such as dallas county, Tarrent County, and el paso counties. i don't recall how the new Anti-abortion bill will do anything to reduce the abortion rates in the state of texas, except making it harder to access safe and legal reproductive health care.
so I guess that means that these other clinics , if they wish to remain in the business of abortion, will now have to make changes that will put them in compliance with the law... correct?
come on man, you're a liberal... you love the idea of regulating business and forcing them to comply
let me explain via a analogy. Nutmeg graters are only good for one thing, grating nutmeg. you can't expect a nutmeg grater to grate cheese or other things that a regular grater can accomplish, and you can't force it to do it . abortion clinics are the nutmeg graters in my analogy: they only perform abortions and only have the resources to accomplish that task.
Forcing Abortion clinics to comply to the same standards and requirements of surgical ambulatory clinics is a example of unnecessary regulations, and if they cannot afford to comply to the new requirements in texas's new anti abortion bill, then they will have to shut down. that may be the desired effect of these regulations, make it impossible for abortion clinics to operate in the state of texas.
Truly, you will obviously sway the opinions of anyone that disagrees with you on this issue by suggesting that the new law will have to make women be inconvieneced and travel a little farther to undertake an abortion. This will SURELY be an appeal and useful argument to anyone who isn't already staunchly pro-choice....
:roll:
That's the amazing thing with the abortion debatet...there's a tiny sliver in the middle that's actually somewhat moderate or undecided, but both sides tend to just make stupid arguments in terms of persuasiveness that have no real attraction to anyone OTHER than people who already massively agree with them.
let me explain via a analogy. Nutmeg graters are only good for one thing, grating nutmeg. you can't expect a nutmeg grater to grate cheese or other things that a regular grater can accomplish, and you can't force it to do it . abortion clinics are the nutmeg graters in my analogy: they only perform abortions and only have the resources to accomplish that task.
Forcing Abortion clinics to comply to the same standards and requirements of surgical ambulatory clinics is a example of unnecessary regulations, and if they cannot afford to comply to the new requirements in texas's new anti abortion bill, then they will have to shut down. that may be the desired effect of these regulations, make it impossible for abortion clinics to operate in the state of texas.
Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't all they have to do is update the other clinics and staff to meet regulations?
no, that the number of abortions are a lot higher where there are abortion clinic present.
considering that only one abortion clinic operates in El Paso County, if that clinic is forced to close down, women in the county in need of abortion services would have to travel to Austin, fort worth, Dallas, Houston, or San Antonio and go to the ambulatory surgical clinic in those cities. and that is not factoring in the average income of citizens in el Paso
Autsin, Forth Worth, Dallas, Houston, Or San Antonio...
.... Or Albuquerque, Tuscon, or Phoenix potentially.
Again, your argument is it's going to make it more difficult and inconvienent for women to get abortions but still provides them with the ability to have such done. You'll get "RIGHT ONS!" from pro-choice people, "Exactlly. Your point?" from pro-life people, and I imagine most of those somewhat TRULY moderate or undecideds in the middle on this issue will probably shrug at it a bit in terms of the way you've presented the argument filled with all the typical rhetoric of your side throughout.
A great big "Meh" from me in terms of the argument you're putting forth. The notion that there's a lacking of significant medical necessity or substantial state interest in requiring a surgical facility near by, and thus the government shouldn't be interfering with private businesses and medical issues, is more of the reason why I'm not thrilled with the bill.
and what if the intention of the bill is to make it so hard and inconvenient for women to get a abortion in the state of Texas, that it becomes in effect, impossible to get a abortion in the state of Texas.
so I guess that means that these other clinics , if they wish to remain in the business of abortion, will now have to make changes that will put them in compliance with the law... correct?
come on man, you're a liberal... you love the idea of regulating business and forcing them to comply
let me explain via a analogy. Nutmeg graters are only good for one thing, grating nutmeg. you can't expect a nutmeg grater to grate cheese or other things that a regular grater can accomplish, and you can't force it to do it . abortion clinics are the nutmeg graters in my analogy: they only perform abortions and only have the resources to accomplish that task.
Forcing Abortion clinics to comply to the same standards and requirements of surgical ambulatory clinics is a example of unnecessary regulations
I don't care if that's necessarily what some would "like" the bill to do.
As it stands, I don't see anything about this bill that would make it "impossible", literal or "in effect", to get an abortion if you live in the state of texas.
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