Twitter usage is at all-time highs.

[Bucky]

Usage does not determine profitability, except very indirectly. Contrary to what you state, almost all revenue for Twitter comes from advertising. Making advertisers happy is key to making money with Twitter. So far, advertisers are reluctant to advertise on Twitter since the ownership change, for a variety of reasons. Whether Musk gets advertisers back remains to be seen. He could very well do it, he could fail miserably, and none of us know which it will be. Musk is an absolute genius in his area of specialty, but like all geniuses, he is not a genius outside of his area of specialty, and Twitter is outside that area of specialty. Whether he does the smart thing, bringing in people who are smart at social media and advertising, or the job will be much harder for him.

Those are the basic facts, from some one who cares not one bit about whether he succeeds or not. Your post was all about bias and promoting Musk, and lacks actual facts and understanding of the issues. Instead of trying to act like you know about the economics of social media(and failing miserably at it), you should probably stick to promoting conspiracy crap about Pelosi. At least no one expects actual facts when you do that.

And you know the answer?

LOL. If Twitter dies, then all that ad money goes to Facebook, Google, TikTok, Snap etc...

So it is healthy for democracy for Facebook/Google to continue to spy on you and track all your online movement?

Twitter actually has a use case. The platform they provide is essential for democracy. They are the town hall of America.

The same level of discussion does not happen on Facebook, Google, TikTok, or Snap.

 

[Bucky]

What's the time limit on that? You know that if Twitter lasts a year, Bucky won't pay up. And if Musk sells the company again, and THEN it goes broke, Bucky won't pay up.

I will pay up, it's liberals I am concerned about. They are the ones crying over an $8 subscription fee for Twitter.

Are you telling me AOC and Stephen King cannot afford $8 a month?

Give me a break.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

What's the time limit on that? You know that if Twitter lasts a year, Bucky won't pay up. And if Musk sells the company again, and THEN it goes broke, Bucky won't pay up.

I know, but if it doesn't go bankrupt by the end of the Fiscal Year I WILL make the ten dollar donation, and in the end if I keep MY word, that's all that matters to me.
I wasn't put on this earth to stop Bucky from being Bucky, nor do I give two shits.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

I will pay up, it's liberals I am concerned about. They are the ones crying over an $8 subscription fee for Twitter.
Are you telling me AOC and Stephen King cannot afford $8 a month?
Give me a break.

It's not the eight bucks, it's the fact that Twitter was built on ad revenue.
It is NOT a newspaper and now that it's owned by an asshole, it's even less of a poor substitute FOR one than it was before.

 

[Bucky]

I know, but if it doesn't go bankrupt by the end of the Fiscal Year I WILL make the ten dollar donation, and in the end if I keep MY word, that's all that matters to me.
I wasn't put on this earth to stop Bucky from being Bucky, nor do I give two shits.

OMG, all the major players are on Twitter. All of a sudden, people will stop tweeting and start posting on TikTok, a platform that likely will be banned in the US soon.

OMG EASY MONEY!

 

[BirdinHand]

What would users get for their subscription fee?

If you're thinking that only subscribers will be able to tweet, I can tell you that won't work. Sites that look exactly like the "old" Twitter and are free to use, would absolutely destroy Twitter.

I see you mentioned newspapers. What subscribers get for their fee is more content. How do you think that will work for Twitter, where most of the content is quite worthless? Is Musk going to employ content raters, and make the trash free but the expert content subscriber-only?

Don’t even have to destroy it.

Eliminating work from anywhere, laying off half the company, etc

He won’t retain the tech staff to keep it functional.

 

[Bucky]

It's not the eight bucks, it's the fact that Twitter was built on ad revenue.
It is NOT a newspaper and now that it's owned by an asshole, it's even less of a poor substitute FOR one than it was before.

Umm... The Washington Post is owned by Jeff Bezos.

And yes, Twitter is more valuable than a newspaper.

Again, you haven't explained why people pay $20 a month to the New York Times when they can read 100 news publications for free.

 

[The Stars Tremble]

I will pay up, it's liberals I am considered about. They are the ones crying over an $8 subscription fee for Twitter.

Are you telling me AOC and Stephen King cannot afford $8 a month?

Give me a break.

Why should I give you a break? Charging people for a bogus certification mark was such a dumb idea, not because it's too much to pay, but because the certification was bogus. Twitter used to demand proof from users wanting the blue tick (that they are who they claim to be) and charging money for that is not necessarily wrong. Though if it was me, I would scale the charge to the median income of the country the user lives in ... $8 is quite a lot in some countries. No, the problem was the dumb assumption that paying money ALONE was enough to prove someone is who their name suggests.

In short, $8 for a certification isn't the problem. $8 for a bogus certification is.

 

[Bucky]

Don’t even have to destroy it.

Eliminating work from anywhere, laying off half the company, etc

He won’t retain the tech staff to keep it functional.

And tech companies need people that are working 50-70 hours a week on the clock working 24/7.

That's how it is in Tesla.

Our economy is headed toward a spiraling recession. Employees need to prove their worth if they want to stay employed.

Working for a premier tech company is a privilege, not a right.

These lazy twitter employees were getting six figures working part-time schedules from home.

That needs to end. NOW.

 

[Bucky]

Elon gets a lot of hate yet...

Meanwhile, Twitter posts the highest active daily users count in history and Tesla is firing on all cylinders.

I think Elon knows what he is doing....

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Umm... The Washington Post is owned by Jeff Bezos.

And yes, Twitter is more valuable than a newspaper.

Again, you haven't explained why people pay $20 a month to the New York Times when they can read 100 news publications for free.

I wasn't asked why and I don't care.
I get what I need from AP and Reuters and my WaPo sub is nowhere near 20 a month.

 

[The Stars Tremble]

Don’t even have to destroy it.

Not literally, no. But in the sense that Facebook destroyed Myspace. There will always be a few users who prefer the smaller community. Big fish in a small pond, so to speak.

Rupert Murdoch thought he was getting a good company for a good price, when he bought Myspace for half a billion in 2005. But his Midas touch failed because social media was outside his field of expertise. It's fundamentally different to broadcast/print media.

Eliminating work from anywhere, laying off half the company, etc

He won’t retain the tech staff to keep it functional.

Yeah. The first step in a redundancy reform is to let those who want to go anyway, take their package and leave. It looks better from the outside (ie a lower number of retrenchments) but is also less damaging to the morale of those you want to keep on.

 

[Bucky]

I wasn't asked why and I don't care.
I get what I need from AP and Reuters and my WaPo sub is nowhere near 20 a month.

Yet millions of people pay the New York times $20 a month.

And people are complaining about greedy Elon and his $8 a month demand.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Yet millions of people pay the New York times $20 a month.

And people are complaining about greedy Elon and his $8 a month demand.

I already said that it's not the cost, it's the principle of the thing.

PS: This may come as a shock to you:
I do not control NYT subscribers.

 

[The Stars Tremble]

Tesla is firing on all cylinders.

Unfortunate turn of phrase!

Why is always Tesla and SpaceX for Musk fans trying to prove how he's good at everything? The guy has started a LOT of other companies that never worked out. He's good at transport, but his own record of trolling on Twitter shows that he knows nothing about social media. He should be the most popular man in America, but he's not so how do you explain that? Could it be that he's an asshole ...

 

[The Stars Tremble]

Yet millions of people pay the New York times $20 a month.

FOR CONTENT.

And people are complaining about greedy Elon and his $8 a month demand.

The $8 was for a bogus certification. $8 for a real certification wouldn't be a problem, but $8 for the right to troll IS a problem.

 

[Redress]

Twitter wasn't good at generating money from advertisers. That's pretty clear. Twitter is not google or Facebook.

Twitter will be fine because Musk is in charge.

Once again, Musk already can great revenue by charging a subscription fee and improving the product.

As a former investor of Twitter, I can tell you this isn't rocket science. A lot of the changes Twitter is making should have been done 5-10 years ago.

Twitter was better at making money from advertising before the ownership change. How that will change in the future is anyone's guess. Subscription fees will not even begin to make Twitter profitable(Twitter in 2021 got 4.51 billion in advertising revenue so there just is not enough people to sell subscriptions to make that up).

The rest is just you fan boying.

 

[Redress]

And you know the answer?

LOL. If Twitter dies, then all that ad money goes to Facebook, Google, TikTok, Snap etc...

So it is healthy for democracy for Facebook/Google to continue to spy on you and track all your online movement?

Twitter actually has a use case. The platform they provide is essential for democracy. They are the town hall of America.

The same level of discussion does not happen on Facebook, Google, TikTok, or Snap.

I could not give a shit about whether Twitter, facebook or goole is more important to democracy(I suspect none of them are in any way). They are all private businesses. My comments where based 100 % on the business aspect.

 

[Bucky]

Twitter was better at making money from advertising before the ownership change. How that will change in the future is anyone's guess. Subscription fees will not even begin to make Twitter profitable(Twitter in 2021 got 4.51 billion in advertising revenue so there just is not enough people to sell subscriptions to make that up).

The rest is just you fan boying.

OMG. How does Netflix make money? Yes.... they charge a subscription!

Do you know LinkedIn charges a subscription?

Do you know people that own Tesla, pay a..... you guessed it, a subscription fee!

These are simply commerce elements that are valuable that if customers want them, they can get them.

 

[Bucky]

FOR CONTENT.



The $8 was for a bogus certification. $8 for a real certification wouldn't be a problem, but $8 for the right to troll IS a problem.

Do you know people pay a subscription to use linkdein?

 

[Bucky]

I could not give a shit about whether Twitter, facebook or goole is more important to democracy(I suspect none of them are in any way). They are all private businesses. My comments where based 100 % on the business aspect.

Wrong.

Facebook (meta) publicly traded company

Google publicly traded company.

 

[Redress]

OMG. How does Netflix make money? Yes.... they charge a subscription!

Do you know LinkedIn charges a subscription?

Do you know people that own Tesla, pay a..... you guessed it, a subscription fee!

These are simply commerce elements that are valuable that if customers want them, they can get them.

Twitter has ~400 million users. At 8 dollars per check mark, that is tops 3.2 billion, less than advertiser revenue. In fact, it would be a fraction of that much since most people will not pay for a check mark.

 

[Redress]

Wrong.

Facebook (meta) publicly traded company

Google publicly traded company.

Private in that they are owned by stockholders, not the government.

And I am right, my answer was based entirely on the business aspect.

 

[reflechissez]

Elon is such a perfectionist. He was probably shocked when he saw the level of inefficiency at Twitter when he runs such a tight ship at Tesla and Space X.

Elon is a master at innovating and revamping products. That's exactly what Twitter needs. Twitter doesn't have an advertising issue, it has a product issue.

I have no doubt Elon will fix this. I would never bet against someone like Elon.

sure

 

[reflechissez]

Yet millions of people pay the New York times $20 a month.

And people are complaining about greedy Elon and his $8 a month demand.

Where'd you pull this from?