Tucker agrees with guest who says we should have sided with Hitler

[CaughtInThe]

From your OP article: “Carlson agrees with Collum’s contention that we have gotten World War II all wrong, and he lodges no objection when a guest to whom he’s very deferential says that we arguably should have allied with Hitler’s Germany in World War II to fight Stalin.”

Context matters.

I'm just glad that you're willing to show everyone that you will run cover for Tucker Carlson in this kind of thread.

 

[CaughtInThe]

I've asked like four or five MAGAs here recently if slavery was good or bad and to give me a yes or no answer. I've asked repeatedly.

Not a single one has answered.

Let that shit sink in.

 

[Questerr]

Patton never ran into a war he didn’t want to fight, which doesn’t make his statement any less utterly moronic.

There’s also the inconvenient fact that the U.S. helping the Nazis still wouldn’t have managed to beat the Soviets

Ummm… the US was responsible for supplying something like 80% of Soviet aviation gas, basically all of their rubber, something like 75% of their trucks, a huge portion of their boots.

Without those supplies, the Soviets definitely wouldn’t beat both Germany and the US.

 

[Tigerace117]

Ummm… the US was responsible for supplying something like 80% of Soviet aviation gas, basically all of their rubber, something like 75% of their trucks, a huge portion of their boots.

Without those supplies, the Soviets definitely wouldn’t beat both Germany and the US.

The U.S. military was in no shape to fight anyone even by the summer of 1941. They didn’t have anything that could come close to matching a T-34, much less a KV-1 or KV-2 and even the lighter Soviet tanks would be giving the U.S. fits.

They also had Central Asian synthetic rubber and were able to bring in more from places like Malaysia, and the idea they couldn’t have produced boots is just laughable, given the existence of Kirza boots.

 

[Questerr]

The U.S. military was in no shape to fight anyone even by the summer of 1941. They didn’t have anything that could come close to matching a T-34, much less a KV-1 or KV-2 and even the lighter Soviet tanks would be giving the U.S. fits.

They also had Central Asian synthetic rubber and were able to bring in more from places like Malaysia, and the idea they couldn’t have produced boots is just laughable, given the existence of Kirza boots.

How exactly would they bring rubber in from Malaysia? The US could easily blockade the Russian Pacific ports and Malaysia is going to be occupied by Japan quite shortly. They could produce boots. Just like they could produce trucks. They just couldn't produce ENOUGH. The US had to supply them.

Just the US providing logistic support to Germany would change German prospects massively.

 

[Tigerace117]

How exactly would they bring rubber in from Malaysia? The US could easily blockade the Russian Pacific ports and Malaysia is going to be occupied by Japan quite shortly. They could produce boots. Just like they could produce trucks. They just couldn't produce ENOUGH. The US had to supply them.

Just the US providing logistic support to Germany would change German prospects massively.

….. uh….. no, they couldn’t, unless Japan joins the war on the side of Germany as well, because any such blockade fleet would be sitting ducks for the IJN, or even just land based airpower out of Korea.

Not in the USSR it doesn’t. America entering the war doesn’t make Germany suddenly become more prepared for their knockout punch failing, and U.S. troops, besides being unprepared for war in general, really aren’t prepared for a winter in the USSR either.

 

[Questerr]

….. uh….. no, they couldn’t, unless Japan joins the war on the side of Germany as well, because any such blockade fleet would be sitting ducks for the IJN, or even just land based airpower out of Korea.

Not in the USSR it doesn’t. America entering the war doesn’t make Germany suddenly become more prepared for their knockout punch failing, and U.S. troops, besides being unprepared for war in general, really aren’t prepared for a winter in the USSR either.

Afterwhich, the IJN would be occupying Malaya and using the rubber there for themselves. Either way, the Soviets aren't getting any rubber from Malaya.

 

[Tigerace117]

Afterwhich, the IJN would be occupying Malaya and using the rubber there for themselves. Either way, the Soviets aren't getting any rubber from Malaya.

There’s nothing stopping the Japanese from providing rubber to the Soviets in exchange for Soviet resources.

 

[Questerr]

There’s nothing stopping the Japanese from providing rubber to the Soviets in exchange for Soviet resources.

Except for the fact the Japanese need that rubber themselves and hate the Soviets.

 

[Tigerace117]

Except for the fact the Japanese need that rubber themselves and hate the Soviets.

Which didn’t stop them from engaging in trade agreements with them before. The Japanese also desperately want as many resources as they can, and even a small amount of Soviet ones eliminates some of the crunch they were facing.

 

[Questerr]

Which didn’t stop them from engaging in trade agreements with them before. The Japanese also desperately want as many resources as they can, and even a small amount of Soviet ones eliminates some of the crunch they were facing.

Japanese trade with the Soviets basically ceased after the invasion of China when the Soviets backed the KMT and Mao.

 

[Tigerace117]

Japanese trade with the Soviets basically ceased after the invasion of China when the Soviets backed the KMT and Mao.

The Soviets and Japanese hammered out a neutrality agreement in 1941 that basically ended significant Soviet support for the KMT.

 

[Questerr]

The Soviets and Japanese hammered out a neutrality agreement in 1941 that basically ended significant Soviet support for the KMT.

And they still did no significant trade.

 

[Tigerace117]

And they still did no significant trade.

Which doesn’t change the fact there was nothing stopping them from doing so.

 

[Questerr]

Which doesn’t change the fact there was nothing stopping them from doing so.

Except for the fact they hated each other. The Soviet Union had zero resources Japan needed that they couldn’t get by conquering Southeast Asia.

 

[AJG]

It’s in the same vein as Patton’s thoughts on the matter - which were that WW2 was a missed opportunity as the Soviets were the bigger problem and that dissolving the German armed forces was a big mistake.

Hypothetically, suppose we backed Germany during WWII to fight the Soviets and Germany took over Europe, won the war and eventually was able to make nuclear weapons of their own. How would this have been a better outcome? Seems significantly worse to me.

 

[Questerr]

Hypothetically, suppose we backed Germany during WWII to fight the Soviets and Germany took over Europe, won the war and eventually was able to make nuclear weapons of their own. How would this have been a better outcome? Seems significantly worse to me.

You don’t understand. @Napoleon is himself a fascist and white supremacist.

He would love a world where the Nazis won and exterminate all Jews and most Slavs.

He would probably have supported having America do the same thing to black people in America.

 

[Visbek]

Let’s start with the fact that nobody fought WW2 over concentration camps.

So the US should have sided with the Nazis, as they were ramping up genocide, because... no one fought over the concentration camps?

Setting a direct conflict with the Soviet Union aside

You're defending a guy who suggested that the US had the war "all wrong," and that the US side with the Nazis against the USSR. Did you forget what you're defending?

even Stalin openly admitted that Soviet victory was only made possible by the Lend-Lease program. We didn’t have to cut our noses off to spite our face by helping the communists. We could have let them duke it out and mop up what was left.

What the ****?

What utter nonsense is this? First, that isn't what Collum was proposing, and what you failed to defend by claiming we're missing some "context."

Second, if the USSR didn't have support, the Nazis probably would have defeated them, and Germany would only have one front -- and an increased likelihood of victory.

Third: There's no justification whatsoever for the US to side with the white supremacist, genocidal, fascist Nazis. Are you going to admit that, or nah?

Patton believed that Germany and its forces should have been integrated with Europe and the Allied Forces following their defeat to take on the Soviets. But we didn’t do that and allowing Communism to survive and thrive has resulted in the deaths of hundreds of millions and constant threat of nuclear annihilation.

What the **** does that have to do with anything? That's AFTER the war. Yet again, you're basically trying to defend a Nazi sympathizer who was on Carlson's show who was talking about WWII. Not after. Try to keep track.

As to the other nonsense? Try to enjoy each fact equally.

- No, the USSR did not kill "hundreds of millions." That is utter bullshit.
- You think that Russia would have been friendly to the US, if the US had sat back and let Germany destroy it? What, you think it would have just disappeared or something? WTF.
- Did you forget about China, which developed its first nuclear bomb in the 60s? Or do you think the US should have invaded China, too?

Just face it: There is no "context" that makes it OK for Carlson to platform a Nazi sympathizer, and sagely nod when that guest suggests the US should have sided with the Nazis.

 

[SenorXm/Sirius]

I'm not sure what this thread is about.. Germany declared war on us... Hard to ally with a country that declares war on u..

Full stop..