Trust God and call it a day? I saw that bumper sticker this morning. I think it's stupid. How about trust yourself instead?

[Daisy]

You are welcome, Daisy.

Since you introduced "False Religions" into the discussion, please tell us which Christian groups/sects The JWO deems to be "False Religions".

Is Catholicism a "False Religion"?

How about Methodists? Followers of a "False Religion"?

Trinitarian Evangelicals? Followers of a "False Religion"?

Anglican Christians? Also followers of a "False Religion"?

If 'Yes' to any/all of the above, are followers of "False Religions" saved at Armageddon? Yes? Or No?

Any who teach false doctrines...

 

[Logician Man]

Any who teach false doctrines...

Do any/all of the above Christian groups listed in post #450 "teach false doctrines" per JW preachings/teachings, Daisy? Yes? Or No?

 

[Daisy]

Do any/all of the above Christian groups listed "teach false doctrines", Daisy? Yes? Or No?

That is for each person to determine for themselves...what do you think?

 

[Logician Man]

That is for each person to determine for themselves...what do you think?

Almighty God Jehovah doesn't "determine" which religions are "False Religions", Daisy? It's mere mortals which "determine" which religions are "False Religions"" Yes? Or No?

 

[Daisy]

Almighty God Jehovah doesn't "determine" which religions are "False Religions", Daisy? Yes? Or No?

You'll have to ask Him when you see Him...of course if you don't believe in Him, it doesn't matter now, does it?

 

[Logician Man]

You'll have to ask Him when you see Him...of course if you don't believe in Him, it doesn't matter now, does it?

You've been studying the Christian Holy Bible for over 50 years, and you are not qualified/knowledgeable enough regarding JWO preachings/teachings to tell us whether or not Almighty God Jehovah "determines" which religions are "False Religions" per JW preachings/teachings/theology?

Is that correct, Daisy?

 

[Daisy]

You've been studying the Christian Holy Bible for over 50 years, and you are not qualified/knowledgeable enough regarding JWO preachings/teachings to tell us whether or not Almighty God Jehovah "determines" which religions are "False Religions" per JW preachings/teachings/theology?

Is that correct, Daisy?

Jehovah is the Final Judge...

 

[Logician Man]

Jehovah is the Final Judge...

For clarity purposes, Is that a 'Yes' or a 'No' to the question posed to you in post #456, Daisy?

 

[Daisy]

For clarity purposes, Is that a 'Yes' or a 'No' to the question posed to you in post #456, Daisy?

I've determined what is true or false to my satisfaction, I cannot do so for you...I can only give scriptures to support or not support certain doctrines...

 

[Logician Man]

I've determined what is true or false to my satisfaction, I cannot do so for you...I can only give scriptures to support or not support certain doctrines...

And what do the Christian Holy "scriptures" say about Catholicism? Is Catholicism, per the biblical scriptures a "False Religion" from your JW POV/preachings/teachings based on your 50 years plus of being a JWO Bible Student'? Or are you only capable of posting/"giving scriptures", or are you actually knowledgeable/qualified to discern what the scriptures are conveying to those who read/study the scriptures?

 

[Daisy]

And what do the Christian Holy "scriptures" say about Catholicism? Is Catholicism, per the biblical scriptures a "False Religion" from your JW POV/preachings/teachings based on your 50 years plus of being a JWO Bible Student'? Or are you only capable of posting/"giving scriptures", or are you actually knowledgeable/qualified to actually discern what the scriptures are conveying to those who read/study the scriptures?

It's the doctrines that are proven/supported or not in the Bible...

 

[Logician Man]

It's the doctrines that are proven/supported or not in the Bible...

So after 50 plus years of being a JWO Bible Student and "digging deeper" into the biblical scriptures you are still not able/qualified/knowledgeable enough to tell us whether or not Catholicism is a "False Religion" with a simple 'Yes' or 'No' response?

Is that correct, Daisy?

 

[nota bene]

So after 50 plus years of being a JWO Bible Student and "digging deeper" into the biblical scriptures you are still not able/qualified/knowledgeable enough to tell us whether or not Catholicism is a "False Religion" with a simple 'Yes' or 'No' response?

Is that correct, Daisy?

Is there some reason Daisy appears to be on trial here?

 

[nota bene]

As an adult do you not know the difference between right and wrong? Does a book have to tell you? What's with this belief in an all powerful imaginary being that is invisible? To my knowledge not a person has proved this entity even exists yet I'm told my many I should ask for forgiveness from this invisible entity and then worship said entity?

Sorry, but that sounds crazy to me even after ten years of catholic school.

Why are you worried about this if you don't believe in God, whom you regard as an imaginary being? I'm sorry if "many" are telling you to ask for forgiveness and worship, but you've already decided for yourself that belief is nonsense (and, I guess, that real adults don't need a book to tell them what's right or wrong), so what's the problem? Tell these people that this topic will never be up for discussion, and then follow through, however you have to. If it's happening in your workplace, report this to HR. Problem solved.

 

[tosca1]

Great, feel free to give credit to your invisible entity. I give credit to myself and take responsibility for the things I do, not some invisible friend. If you Christian folks are so offended, stop responding to me. Simple, no?

I asked a legitimate question. How do you know it wasn't GOD who's behind you?



I wouldn't make much out of your situation, except for the fact in which you said, post #396

I read the Bible, asked god for help..........

You were able to get rid of your habit!
You succeeded in kicking it once and for all!

How do you know GOD didn't help?

I'm asking you: what kind response were you expecting from GOD?

How did you imagine He had to respond?

 

[tosca1]

As an adult do you not know the difference between right and wrong? Does a book have to tell you? What's with this belief in an all powerful imaginary being that is invisible?

maybe you read the bible when you were a child.
Or ....................during the time your mind was usually fogged up by drugs.
Because it's obvious: you're missing a lot from it.



Corrections;

We know right and wrong. Our conscience - or what you might describe as your, instinct - tells us that.


The Book simply expands on it - from GOD's point of view.
It explains why there is right and wrong.


FREE WILL.

To my knowledge not a person has proved this entity even exists yet I'm told my many I should ask for forgiveness from this invisible entity and then worship said entity?

Sorry, but that sounds crazy to me even after ten years of catholic school.

Your "knowledge" is highly questionable.......as shown.



To whom should they prove God exists? YOU?
You seem to have a bloated sense of entitlement.

You do your own search and discovery of GOD. If God chooses to, He might even give you a miracle. A spectacular one, even.
And if for some reason He may have - He may just give you proof even if you hadn't asked Him for it.




Countless folks had proven GOD exists...............to THEMSELVES!
They've had their own personal encounter with GOD, in varying ways!
Just because you're skeptical, doesn't negate their experience(s)........................although, they effectively negate your claim.
GOD GAVE THEM THE EVIDENCE.
The evidence was meant for them!
And they can share their experience with you: take it, or leave it.


So, don't knock it just because you hadn't had one.
You don't only seem so disgruntled. You also sound like a ..............sour grape.

 

[tosca1]

As an adult do you not know the difference between right and wrong? Does a book have to tell you? What's with this belief in an all powerful imaginary being that is invisible? To my knowledge not a person has proved this entity even exists yet I'm told my many I should ask for forgiveness from this invisible entity and then worship said entity?

Sorry, but that sounds crazy to me even after ten years of catholic school.

Btw, why do you carry on like as if your arms are being twisted to believe?
You protest too much!


Act like an adult, and stop your whining!
Like I said, you sound more like a sour grape!

Move on............if you don't believe at all, and you feel this is stupid.
Or..............at least................ give a mature argument.

 

[tosca1]

Oh please. I know because I was looking at three paths and two I didn't care for, jail, death. The third, remove myself from the situation, move and don't look for it after you move. No gods involved.

Why were you looking at the paths?
What made you look............contemplate............ and realize what's ahead of you?
What gave you the strenght and the determination to finally act? To move?

Why did you finally beat your addiction?


I can't help but come back to what you said:

I read the Bible, asked god for help..........

Why do you have such a hard time with that explanation that you still insist it was your god who gave me the thought. Horseshit, I was a lowlife scum junkie and I decided I had had enough. Nothing magical or supernatural was involved.

Again: we're back to this question:


How did you expect GOD to respond?

Please, answer and enlighten us.

 

[tosca1]

Oh please. I know because I was looking at three paths and two I didn't care for, jail, death. The third, remove myself from the situation, move and don't look for it after you move. No gods involved. Why do you have such a hard time with that explanation that you still insist it was your god who gave me the thought. Horseshit, I was a lowlife scum junkie and I decided I had had enough. Nothing magical or supernatural was involved.

Excuse me......but after all your victory over drugs..........


.............you don't sound happy to me.


Even your "crowing" over your success, it comes shallow.



Why do you come across as................... bitter?

 

[tosca1]

Horseshit, I was a lowlife scum junkie and I decided I had had enough. Nothing magical or supernatural was involved.

A lowlife junkie.................. who'd suddenly had the clear mind to contemplate..............and make a determined decision.
And had the strength to do it, too.

That, didn't come from nowhere.

I read the Bible, asked god for help..........

 

[tosca1]

I read the Bible, asked god for help..........

Matthew 11
28 “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest.
29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”



Philippians 4
6 do not be anxious about anything, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God.
7 And the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.



Isaiah 41:10
10 fear not, for I am with you;
be not dismayed, for I am your God;
I will strengthen you, I will help you,
I will uphold you with my righteous right hand.



Philippians 4
13 I can do all things through him who strengthens me.



Psalm 55
Cast your burden on the Lord, and he will sustain you; he will never permit the righteous to be moved.



1 Peter 5
6 Humble yourselves, therefore, under the mighty hand of God so that at the proper time he may exalt you,
7 casting all your anxieties on him, because he cares for you.



John 3
27 John answered, “A person cannot receive even one thing unless it is given him from heaven.

 

[bongsaway]

Why are you worried about this if you don't believe in God, whom you regard as an imaginary being? I'm sorry if "many" are telling you to ask for forgiveness and worship, but you've already decided for yourself that belief is nonsense (and, I guess, that real adults don't need a book to tell them what's right or wrong), so what's the problem? Tell these people that this topic will never be up for discussion, and then follow through, however you have to. If it's happening in your workplace, report this to HR. Problem solved.

Because beliefs are not facts. Do you agree with that statement? I believed my ex wife would never cheat on me. Now's she's my ex for a reason, can you guess the reason nota? Let's be honest, folks like you don't like your beliefs challenged.

 

[bongsaway]

I asked a legitimate question. How do you know it wasn't GOD who's behind you?



I wouldn't make much out of your situation, except for the fact in which you said, post #396




You were able to get rid of your habit!
You succeeded in kicking it once and for all!

How do you know GOD didn't help?

I'm asking you: what kind response were you expecting from GOD?

How did you imagine He had to respond?

I read this, I'm not reading your other posts because I can imagine they all say the same. I know because God didn't do a dang thing, I did it. I made my mind up to stop. I moved with that intention and guess what, I made sure it worked. No god's involved. Are you folks so feeble you can't live without your god crutch? God did this, Satan did that, bullshit. Take responsibility for your actions and stop putting shit in the hands of some invisible entity.

 

[bongsaway]

I asked a legitimate question. How do you know it wasn't GOD who's behind you?



I wouldn't make much out of your situation, except for the fact in which you said, post #396




You were able to get rid of your habit!
You succeeded in kicking it once and for all!

How do you know GOD didn't help?

I'm asking you: what kind response were you expecting from GOD?

How did you imagine He had to respond?

I read this, I'm not reading your other posts because I can imagine they all say the same. I know because God didn't do a dang thing, I did it. I made my mind up to stop. I moved with that intention and guess what, I made sure it worked. No god's involved. Are you folks so feeble you can't live without your god crutch? God did this, Satan did that, bullshit. Take responsibility for your actions and stop putting shit in the hands of some invisible entity.

That is for each person to determine for themselves...what do you think?

Funny, when a person does decide it's all bullshit, you folks don't accept our opinion and yet you expect us to accept yours.

 

[redbeer]

Is there some reason Daisy appears to be on trial here?

Appears so, they have the stake heating up outside, the witnesses all set to deliver the blow......free popcorn and hotdogs buy 1/get 1 free.