Trust God and call it a day? I saw that bumper sticker this morning. I think it's stupid. How about trust yourself instead?

[Revelation]

Do you apply those same criteria to the Bible or religion? After all the Bible (or any religious text of your preference) is a book, which isn't proof according to you.

just read about what this nurse said, i think you now have proooof....

 

[CLAX1911]

As an adult do you not know the difference between right and wrong? Does a book have to tell you?

Yes you do and no the book doesn't tell you. The book explains to you that your nature is to want to do wrong. But you don't have to.

Take for instance a recovering addict. They may trust themselves too handle their addiction just fine but a lot of people in this position need help.

I think there's a situation created sometimes where people treat helping them like affirming their beliefs and that's why I don't support the 12-step program. But there are other ways of getting help and learning how to deny your base your instincts. And that's for a greater purpose your overall health and longevity I think there may be people that love you want you in their life for as long as possible. If you can put their needs at a higher priority than a desire to engage in whatever substance a person might enjoy then isn't that trusting others?

What's with this belief in an all powerful imaginary being that is invisible?

Well that thing I explained above where a recovering addict or alcoholic places somewhere else's needs above their desire to engage in this behavior, it gives it a reason more than just doing it out of the goodness of your heart.

Jesus teaches that we are all divine but there is part of us that is also profane. God looks for the divinity he sees the divinity it is up to us to see that in others. Believe it or not he is the god of the lowly the least of us. Keep that in mind when the church types are on their high horse about something.

To my knowledge not a person has proved this entity even exists yet I'm told my many I should ask for forgiveness from this invisible entity and then worship said entity?

Asking for forgiveness is not something specific to Christianity or even religious believers. If you've done something wrong to somebody and you know it and they forgive you that doesn't make them a better soul it makes the world a better place. Don't think of it so much as asking some being in the sky for forgiveness. Think of it as for giving yourself for giving others being forgiven. That's what it's about this is a higher entity concept that helps us understand something about ourselves.

If you were God is there something you couldn't forgive.

Sorry, but that sounds crazy to me even after ten years of catholic school.

I don't blame you for feeling this way after 10 years of Catholic School. I spent 10 years as a Catholic convert and that was enough for me.

 

[jpevans]

You've been studying man's word. Not god's.

God is a concept, by which we measure our pain. John Lennon.

 

[jpevans]

just read about what this nurse said, i think you now have proooof....

Bullcrap....

 

[Revelation]

Bullcrap....

we are Featuring 'deep thinking' and intelligent responses tonight if you want to contribute.

jp, how has your day been? are you closer to trusting God today than yesterday?

if not, then why not?


blessings.


...this guy was a friend of JD, a neighbor actually but he didn't read my Comics much.

he will now; he has plenty of time.

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[Gordy327]

just read about what this nurse said, i think you now have proooof....

What proof? You clearly have no idea what proof is. You're just embarrassing yourself with your own ignorance.

 

[bongsaway]

Yes you do and no the book doesn't tell you. The book explains to you that your nature is to want to do wrong. But you don't have to.

Take for instance a recovering addict. They may trust themselves too handle their addiction just fine but a lot of people in this position need help.

I think there's a situation created sometimes where people treat helping them like affirming their beliefs and that's why I don't support the 12-step program. But there are other ways of getting help and learning how to deny your base your instincts. And that's for a greater purpose your overall health and longevity I think there may be people that love you want you in their life for as long as possible. If you can put their needs at a higher priority than a desire to engage in whatever substance a person might enjoy then isn't that trusting others?

Well that thing I explained above where a recovering addict or alcoholic places somewhere else's needs above their desire to engage in this behavior, it gives it a reason more than just doing it out of the goodness of your heart.

Jesus teaches that we are all divine but there is part of us that is also profane. God looks for the divinity he sees the divinity it is up to us to see that in others. Believe it or not he is the god of the lowly the least of us. Keep that in mind when the church types are on their high horse about something.

Asking for forgiveness is not something specific to Christianity or even religious believers. If you've done something wrong to somebody and you know it and they forgive you that doesn't make them a better soul it makes the world a better place. Don't think of it so much as asking some being in the sky for forgiveness. Think of it as for giving yourself for giving others being forgiven. That's what it's about this is a higher entity concept that helps us understand something about ourselves.

If you were God is there something you couldn't forgive.

I don't blame you for feeling this way after 10 years of Catholic School. I spent 10 years as a Catholic convert and that was enough for me.

I stopped reading after the second sentence. My nature is to want to do wrong? Wrong, and then I stopped reading. My nature is to try to make people around me smile and be happy. If that's wrong, you can keep your religion, I certainly don't need it.

 

[Revelation]

I stopped reading after the second sentence. My nature is to want to do wrong? Wrong, and then I stopped reading. My nature is to try to make people around me smile and be happy. If that's wrong, you can keep your religion, I certainly don't need it.

Bongs, you still don't recognize your own nature yet: we are ALL sinners, without hope.

until you get there, all you have to look forward to is the Judgement day and the Toaster day.


for starts you need to seek God with all your heart and FIND him. then walk with Jesus down the narrow way leading to Eternal Life.

simple, but most don't get it. so i run Cartoons for this so there is Zero excuse....


...until you seek God, even a Cartoon will not work.


blessings.

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[Logician Man]

we are ALL sinners, without hope.

Bible Study Tools
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What is Hope and Why Is It so Crucial to Our Faith?​

I believe one of the greatest gifts God has given you is hope. After all, that is what his promises are designed to do – inspire hope. It gives us the ability to look at any situation and know that regardless of how it may appear God is going to come through. This is the essence of what hope is.

However, if you are honest, the challenges of life can sometimes seem overwhelming. I know because I have faced those challenges just like you have. When these challenges attack, the thing they often come after is your hope. They try to move you from hope to despair, but that doesn’t have to be the case.

Today I want you to stand tall encouraged by the hope that dwells within you. I want to answer the question “what is hope,” but I want more for you. I don’t want you to just know what it is, I want you to walk in the victory that comes from hope.

What Is Hope?​

Let’s start by taking a look at what hope is from both a dictionary definition and a biblical one.

Hope (Dictionary) – The general consensus from all dictionary definitions is that hope is a feeling of expectation, a desire or wish for a certain thing to happen.

Hope (Bible) – A biblical definition of hope takes it one step further. Hope is an expectation with certainty that God will do what he has said.

I hope you can see the difference. One is a wish or desire, the other is a certainty or guarantee.

Let me use a verse from Scripture to illustrate the point.

“Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see” (Hebrews 11:1).

Hebrews 11:1​

Faith in Action​

1 Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see.

 

[Revelation]

Bongs, you still don't recognize your own nature yet: we are ALL sinners, without hope.

until you get there, all you have to look forward to is the Judgement day and the Toaster day.

guess i wasn't clear enuf, even my Cartoons are a bit over the head. groan.

well time for Clarification....

for starts you need to seek God with all your heart and FIND him. then walk with Jesus down the narrow way leading to Eternal Life.

simple, but most don't get it. so i run Cartoons for this so there is Zero excuse....

Logic, did you notice our hope was in God ???

probably not, cause you still don't get it.

View attachment 67564740View attachment 67564741...until you seek God, even a Cartoon will not work.


blessings.

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Bible Study Tools
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What is Hope and Why Is It so Crucial to Our Faith?​

I believe one of the greatest gifts God has given you is hope. After all, that is what his promises are designed to do – inspire hope. It gives us the ability to look at any situation and know that regardless of how it may appear God is going to come through. This is the essence of what hope is.

yes Logic: it is about God.........God is love and God is hope.

the sheep, people, atheists.............not so much: hopeless. they need a God sized hope. this forum wanders all over itself, can't even get the basics. pages of disagreement and misapplication of Scripture............goes on for years.

hopeless.

However, if you are honest, the challenges of life can sometimes seem overwhelming.

yes, yes. 'overwhelming' is the word, cause we 'hopeless' and need God

if we can do Life by ourselves then few would seek God...........Atheists don't bother, they 'know it all' ask them. groan.

I know because I have faced those challenges just like you have. When these challenges attack, the thing they often come after is your hope. They try to move you from hope to despair, but that doesn’t have to be the case.

Today I want you to stand tall encouraged by the hope that dwells within you. I want to answer the question “what is hope,” but I want more for you. I don’t want you to just know what it is, I want you to walk in the victory that comes from hope.

What Is Hope?​

Let’s start by taking a look at what hope is from both a dictionary definition and a biblical one.

Hope (Dictionary) – The general consensus from all dictionary definitions is that hope is a feeling of expectation, a desire or wish for a certain thing to happen.

Hope (Bible) – A biblical definition of hope takes it one step further. Hope is an expectation with certainty that God will do what he has said.

I hope you can see the difference. One is a wish or desire, the other is a certainty or guarantee.

Let me use a verse from Scripture to illustrate the point.

Hebrews 11:1​

Faith in Action
1 Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see.

Logic, please get a good Bible and just start preaching on Hope. and then figure out where your hope comes from.

if you say Hope comes from Dee Cee, you wrong.

if you say Hope comes from Stock market, you wrong.



where does Hope come from Logic ????



blessings and hope.


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[Logician Man]

God is hope.

Revelation said:
we are ALL sinners, ----->without hope.<-----

 

[Revelation]

Revelation said:
we are ALL sinners, ----->without hope.<-----

LOL, i can't go a week without those BIG Fat fingers showing up.

but i do miss yur Clowns.

anyway i can understand how you are not catching on to the Concepts involved; actually they are ALL in the Cartoons...

man has Zero hope within himself, he can't save himself and is Destined for the Toaster....


along comes some one like Bible girl, shown in this illustration to help the hopeless street urchin...




the kid is hopeless, up Life's creek without even the ability to read......yeah Hopeless


...she tells the kid: JESUS LOVES YOU !


NOW, right now the kid has hope. got it Logic ???

let's stop there and see if this is helpful to you; we don't need Big Theological arguments. the kid neeeeeds answers NOW

right NOW

and so do you.



hope this blesses yur day forever and ever.


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[bongsaway]

Bongs, you still don't recognize your own nature yet: we are ALL sinners, without hope.

until you get there, all you have to look forward to is the Judgement day and the Toaster day.


for starts you need to seek God with all your heart and FIND him. then walk with Jesus down the narrow way leading to Eternal Life.

simple, but most don't get it. so i run Cartoons for this so there is Zero excuse....


View attachment 67564740View attachment 67564741...until you seek God, even a Cartoon will not work.


blessings.

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Christianity reduced to a cartoon, nice.

 

[Gordy327]

Christianity reduced to a cartoon, nice.

And a stupid one at that. Reflective of the religion.

 

[Revelation]

Christianity reduced to a cartoon, nice.

yeah kinda sorta.....

it's like anything, gotta start some where and see if the student Grasps the concept.

atheists don't get it or don't want to.

take a kid with math for instance, start with 1+1 = ???

we don't do Algebra, Trig or Calculus for starts.

atheists like Logic got lost along the way, so back to square one we go.

Bible Prophecy? same thing, war, economics, troubles of various kinds; when the Lights come on, move deeeeeper.


Comics?

the less words the better is my MO


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[bongsaway]

yeah kinda sorta.....

it's like anything, gotta start some where and see if the student Grasps the concept.

atheists don't get it or don't want to.

take a kid with math for instance, start with 1+1 = ???

we don't do Algebra, Trig or Calculus for starts.

atheists like Logic got lost along the way, so back to square one we go.

Bible Prophecy? same thing, war, economics, troubles of various kinds; when the Lights come on, move deeeeeper.


Comics?

the less words the better is my MO


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Student? Logic? I'm not your student and I do use logic which is why I reject everything you believe as far as religion goes.

 

[Revelation]

Student? Logic? I'm not your student and I do use logic which is why I reject everything you believe as far as religion goes.

well then you are on your own my friend.

you could paddle up Life's Creek, but you have no paddle and your boat is sinking.

i am throwing you a Life Preserver from the shore.




...this one plays out daily before hitting The Toaster.

note how this atheist reacts to the Bad news of Reality..............off he goes to the Bake Oven, never to be seen again.

doesn't have to be, but they 'know it all' and can never find help.


happens.

before i go, does this ring any bell or red flag? https://san.com/cc/americas-newest-nuclear-bomb-built-seven-months-early/

seems the Military is in an awful hurry to develop these weapons; maybe something is up huh?


(um probably my friends; even the evil dark side believes in 'karma' so they warn first so it doesn't boomerang on them. groan)


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[Logician Man]

atheists don't get it or don't want to.




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Revelation said:
I will always contend that there are no atheists.

Meaning of talk out of both sides of your mouth in English​

TALK OUT OF BOTH SIDES OF YOUR MOUTH meaning:
1. to say something that is the opposite of what you have said before

 

[CLAX1911]

I stopped reading after the second sentence. My nature is to want to do wrong? Wrong, and then I stopped reading.

Then I stopped reading at this point. You're not going to hear me out you deserve the same.

My nature is to try to make people around me smile and be happy. If that's wrong, you can keep your religion, I certainly don't need it.

 

[Revelation]

https://debatepolitics.com/goto/post?id=1081209537

Revelation said:
I will always contend that there are no atheists.

not any real ones on this forum. normally an atheist out preaches me, and out thumps me on the bible.

Meaning of talk out of both sides of your mouth in English​

TALK OUT OF BOTH SIDES OF YOUR MOUTH meaning:
1. to say something that is the opposite of what you have said before

nobody needs to do that if they speak Truth.

try it some time. and lose the dictionary too.

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[Logician Man]

an atheist out preaches me

Revelation said:
I will always contend that there are no atheists.

CONTRADICTION | English meaning - Cambridge Dictionary​

CONTRADICTION definition: 1. the fact of something being the complete opposite of something else

 

[Revelation]

https://debatepolitics.com/goto/post?id=1081209537

Revelation said:
I will always contend that there are no atheists.

no Joke, there are no real atheists here.

we have funny fake atheists

smart fake atheists

annoying fake atheists

repetitious fake atheists

former christian fake atheists

stupid fake atheists

disturbed fake atheists

religious fake atheists

moral fake atheists

materialistic fake atheists

lazy fake atheists

rude fake atheists

loving fake atheists

CONTRADICTION | English meaning - Cambridge Dictionary​

CONTRADICTION definition: 1. the fact of something being the complete opposite of something else

um Logic, what kind of fake atheist might you be?

i put you in the christian Bible thumping fake atheist camp, but i prefer your own characterization over my presumption.


better yet bro, drop yur fake atheism and come to faith. this weekend would be a good time to start; do you need some help ???

 

[stealthycat]

That's what's observed and mathematically demonstrated.

No such thing. Unless you can prove one.

You do not!

a family member had a brain bleed and large AVM .... 12 months she was told inoperable. Recently she had 3 successive strokes and they said ok ... you're going to die, or we're going to try a surgery that's got a high probability of failure and certainly if you live there will be life changing results ..... memory loss, personality changes, physical impairments .... who knows. Its the brain, there is a lot that can go wrong.

surgery was a 12 hour ordeal ............ they expected 5-7 days of slowly bringing her awake, then 3-5 weeks of rehabilitation at the hospital complex

we are at day 5 and she was released to go home. She's walking, talking well, eating well ........... miraculous is what everyone including doctors have said multiple times



thing is .... when something happens in your life that's miraculous? you don't have to prove it to anyone .... you just know it

 

[Revelation]

Revelation said:
I will always contend that there are no atheists.

there are none really, at least not this guy. today, he continued to preach and thump from the book

meh, you call that 'atheism'. ??...

he's not laughing, when you see a Clown, inside they can be crying.

a family member had a brain bleed and large AVM .... 12 months she was told inoperable. Recently she had 3 successive strokes and they said ok ... you're going to die, or we're going to try a surgery that's got a high probability of failure and certainly if you live there will be life changing results ..... memory loss, personality changes, physical impairments .... who knows. Its the brain, there is a lot that can go wrong.

surgery was a 12 hour ordeal ............ they expected 5-7 days of slowly bringing her awake, then 3-5 weeks of rehabilitation at the hospital complex

we are at day 5 and she was released to go home. She's walking, talking well, eating well ........... miraculous is what everyone including doctors have said multiple times

thing is .... when something happens in your life that's miraculous? you don't have to prove it to anyone .... you just know it

Stealth, my friend went thru the same thing, facing brain surgery

but God...

that was the end of it all. God did the job and they sent him home............a miracle.


blessings Brothers.

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[Gordy327]

a family member had a brain bleed and large AVM .... 12 months she was told inoperable. Recently she had 3 successive strokes and they said ok ... you're going to die, or we're going to try a surgery that's got a high probability of failure and certainly if you live there will be life changing results ..... memory loss, personality changes, physical impairments .... who knows. Its the brain, there is a lot that can go wrong.

surgery was a 12 hour ordeal ............ they expected 5-7 days of slowly bringing her awake, then 3-5 weeks of rehabilitation at the hospital complex

we are at day 5 and she was released to go home. She's walking, talking well, eating well ........... miraculous is what everyone including doctors have said multiple times



thing is .... when something happens in your life that's miraculous? you don't have to prove it to anyone .... you just know it

Sounds like medical science did all the work.