Trust God and call it a day? I saw that bumper sticker this morning. I think it's stupid. How about trust yourself instead?

[Gordy327]

and proven wrong, over and over (sun goes around the earth)

Proven right too: Earth orbits the sun

it has

Yes. Or do you accept biblical stories of "miracles" and the like as fact?

your science that changes and is wrong all the time is your faith - I get it

Clearly you do not.

 

[stealthycat]

Proven right too: Earth orbits the sun

that's what we've been told

Yes. Or do you accept biblical stories of "miracles" and the like as fact?

you ever seen a miracle ?

Clearly you do not.

I think I do - your belief/faith is in science

 

[Gordy327]

that's what we've been told

That's what's observed and mathematically demonstrated.

you ever seen a miracle ?

No such thing. Unless you can prove one.

I think I do - your belief/faith is in science

You do not!

 

[NolanVoyd]

that's what we've been told

Seriously?

It's more than that, it's an irrefutable fact.

 

[Revelation]

Proven right too: Earth orbits the sun

true Gordy, fairly well proven. military pilot tells me he sees the thing very round up in the air. simple test of boats over the horizon also prove that.

kind of a silly issue IMHO.

Yes. Or do you accept biblical stories of "miracles" and the like as fact?

yeah i do, and so should all the fakey atheists online here....

No Accident: Scientists Can’t Help But Acknowledge The Intelligent Design Of DNA


To liken DNA to a book is a gross understatement. The amount of information in the 3 billion base pairs in the DNA in every human cell is equivalent to that in 1,000 books of encyclopedia size. It would take a person typing 60 words per minute, eight hours a day, around 50 years to type the human genome. And if all the DNA in your body’s 100 trillion cells was put end to end, it would reach to the sun (90 million miles away) and back over 600 times.


Aside from the immense volume of information that your DNA contains, consider whether all the intricate, interrelated parts of this “book” could have come together by sheer chance. Physical chemist Charles Thaxton writes:


The DNA code is quite simple in its basic structure (although enormously complex in its functioning). By now most people are familiar with the double helix structure of the DNA molecule. It is like a long ladder, twisted into a spiral. Sugar and phosphate molecules form the sides of the ladder. Four bases make up its “rungs.” These are adenine, thymine, guanine, and cytosine. These bases act as the “letters” of a genetic alphabet. They combine in various sequences to form words, sentences, and paragraphs. These base sequences are all the instructions needed to guide the functioning of the cell.


The DNA code is a genetic “language” that communicates information to the cell . . . The DNA molecule is exquisitely complex, and extremely precise: the “letters” must be in a very exact sequence. If they are out of order, it is like a typing error in a message. The instructions that it gives the cell are garbled. This is what a mutation is. The discovery of the DNA code gives the argument from design a new twist. Since life is at its core a chemical code, the origin of life is the origin of a code. A code is a very special kind of order. It represents “specified complexity.”

Clearly you do not.

 

[stealthycat]

Seriously?
It's more than that, it's an irrefutable fact.

do you believe the USA put men on the moon ?

 

[NolanVoyd]

do you believe the USA put men on the moon ?

Of course. We did.

 

[stealthycat]

Of course. We did.

but you have no "proof" of it, not really

we know video's can be faked
we know media and govt can lie
all the information NASA "lost"
Google AI ran the images and said they were fabricated
we are 50 years and 5000times more advanced in computers/rockets .... and we can't go back to the moon today can we? hmmmmm


we were TOLD the moon landing was real, for decades, taught it in school .... but it isn't fact, not really, is it ?

my point is how strong people's belief systems are when it comes to science and what science has said .... when in reality its no more factual than the Bible right ?

 

[NolanVoyd]

but you have no "proof" of it, not really

Nonsense

 

[stealthycat]

Nonsense

show me proof then - NOT a belief you have, but PROOF

video isn't proof - a book isn't proof, something you've been told isn't proof either right ???

 

[Gordy327]

show me proof then - NOT a belief you have, but PROOF

video isn't proof - a book isn't proof, something you've been told isn't proof either right ???

Do you apply those same criteria to the Bible or religion? After all the Bible (or any religious text of your preference) is a book, which isn't proof according to you.

 

[NolanVoyd]

show me proof then - NOT a belief you have, but PROOF

video isn't proof - a book isn't proof, something you've been told isn't proof either right ???

So silly.

You make the absurd claim that it's faked then the burden of proof is on you. I won't hold my breath

I'll give you a joke instead.

 

[stealthycat]

So silly.

You make the absurd claim that it's faked then the burden of proof is on you. I won't hold my breath

I'll give you a joke instead.

so you believe we went to the moon and I have to prove we didn't ?

I believe in God and its again, up to me to prove it ?

is anything your burden to prove ?

 

[NolanVoyd]

so you believe we went to the moon and I have to prove we didn't ?

We did go to the moon. Obviously. That is the reality.

If you are going to make the ridiculous claim that it was faked the burden of proof is on you.

I believe in God and its again, up to me to prove it ?

is anything your burden to prove ?

If I make absurd claims I would ecmxpect to have to prove them.

Did you like the joke?

 

[stealthycat]

We did go to the moon. Obviously. That is the reality.
If you are going to make the ridiculous claim that it was faked the burden of proof is on you.

all I'm asking for is proof - like people ask for proof of God

If I make absurd claims I would ecmxpect to have to prove them.
Did you like the joke?

just give me one piece of real proof that I can't deny showing we went to the moon - how is it different than asking for proof of God ?

 

[NolanVoyd]

all I'm asking for is proof - like people ask for proof of God




just give me one piece of real proof that I can't deny showing we went to the moon - how is it different than asking for proof of God ?

Because there is no evidence that there are real gods.

It is an undeniable fact people went to the moon.

 

[NolanVoyd]

all I'm asking for is proof - like people ask for proof of God




just give me one piece of real proof that I can't deny showing we went to the moon - how is it different than asking for proof of God ?

From the Apollo Moon missions, there are 8,400 publicly available photos, thousands of hours of video footage, a mountain of scientific data, and full transcripts and audio recordings of all air-to-ground conversations. We even have 382 kilograms of Moon rock that Apollo astronauts brought back to Earth. These rocks have been independently verified as lunar by laboratories around the world, ruling out a US conspiracy.

If this is not enough to convince the most-hardened sceptic, Nasa’s Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO) might sway them. Today, LRO takes high resolution pictures of the lunar surface from a low orbit. During its mission, it has captured the landing sites and the abandoned descent modules and rovers from the Apollo missions. And its resolution is so good it has picked up the dark squiggly paths that the astronaut’s footprints made. Spacecraft from China, India and Japan have also spotted these landing sites, providing further independent verification of the landings

https://www.iop.org/explore-physics/moon/how-do-we-know-we-went-to-the-moon

 

[stealthycat]

Because there is no evidence that there are real gods.

It is an undeniable fact people went to the moon.

I know you believe that - you have books telling you, people telling you ... but you cannot provide one piece of evidence really that we did

Do you think the Pope would say its undeniable fact God is real ?

 

[NolanVoyd]

I know you believe that - you have books telling you, people telling you ... but you cannot provide one piece of evidence really that we did

I just did.

I don't think you understand the term proof.

Do you think the Pope would say its undeniable fact God is real ?

Who cares?

 

[stealthycat]

From the Apollo Moon missions, there are 8,400 publicly available photos, thousands of hours of video footage, a mountain of scientific data, and full transcripts and audio recordings of all air-to-ground conversations. We even have 382 kilograms of Moon rock that Apollo astronauts brought back to Earth. These rocks have been independently verified as lunar by laboratories around the world, ruling out a US conspiracy.

all of the above is evidence - you're right

10 Crucial Archaeological Discoveries Related to the Bible

While archaeological findings don’t prove the truth of Scripture, they do have the potential to enrich our understanding and draw us into the world of the biblical writers.

www.crossway.org

15 Archaeological Proofs of Old Testament Accuracy

‘God is the author of Sacred Scripture because he inspired its human authors; he acts in them and by means of them. He thus gives assurance that their writings teach without error his saving truth.’ (Catechism 136)

www.ncregister.com

there is massive history/facts/evidence supporting Jesus and the Bible - but are they TRULY facts ?

video can be faked, photo's faked, evidence faked ............... and there has been much presented on the moon landing being faked

If this is not enough to convince the most-hardened sceptic, Nasa’s Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO) might sway them. Today, LRO takes high resolution pictures of the lunar surface from a low orbit. During its mission, it has captured the landing sites and the abandoned descent modules and rovers from the Apollo missions. And its resolution is so good it has picked up the dark squiggly paths that the astronaut’s footprints made. Spacecraft from China, India and Japan have also spotted these landing sites, providing further independent verification of the landings

https://www.iop.org/explore-physics/moon/how-do-we-know-we-went-to-the-moon

all good with evidence supporting - however, none of it is indeed "fact"

a person HAS to have a certain amount of faith and trust to believe we actually went to the moon - 55 years ago, which was 20 years before cell phones, 30 years before the internet as we know it, we're 50,000 times more advanced in technology ......... and we can't go back to the moon today? NASA just lost all of the information how we did it? the single greatest thing in the history of man ... and NASA just accidently lost it ? The Fed Govt wouldn't ever lie, right ?

and in all this time, Russia and China and India NEVER got a human on the moon, ever. EVER ?



my point is ..... there is as much and probably more evidence Jesus lived and Bible is rooted in fact than we landed on the moon. Its FAITH and BELIEF that keeps people believing both

 

[NolanVoyd]

my point is ..... there is as much and probably more evidence Jesus lived and Bible is rooted in fact than we landed on the moon. Its FAITH and BELIEF that keeps people believing both

Nonsense. There is zero evidence that Jesus was the son of God. Or that there are any real gods.

The Bible is historical fiction.

It is set in real places during real events, but the biblical stories themselves are fiction, a collection of iron age fiction, fables, parables etc

"Historical Fiction is set in a real place, during a culturally recognizable time. The details and the action in the story can be a mix of actual events and ones from the author's imagination as they fill in the gaps."

 

[Michael Cole]

its what we've been told

I don't trust any of it

As he types away instantly communicating with the world.

Old Testament, right? David teams up with IBM to slay goliath with memes.

kid - we didn't go to the moon , asbestos isn't safe, neither is fenfen ....... Pluto isn't a planet, oil didn't come from dead dinosaurs ..... and Alec Baldwin pulled the trigger, OJ did do it .....

we could go on and on

On and on in our internal combustion powered vehicles. Ezekiel, yes?

 

[stealthycat]

As he types away instantly communicating with the world.

Old Testament, right? David teams up with IBM to slay goliath with memes.



On and on in our internal combustion powered vehicles. Ezekiel, yes?

a great read, Ezekiel .... what do you think he was talking about ?

 

[Revelation]

all of the above is evidence - you're right

10 Crucial Archaeological Discoveries Related to the Bible

While archaeological findings don’t prove the truth of Scripture, they do have the potential to enrich our understanding and draw us into the world of the biblical writers.

www.crossway.org

15 Archaeological Proofs of Old Testament Accuracy

‘God is the author of Sacred Scripture because he inspired its human authors; he acts in them and by means of them. He thus gives assurance that their writings teach without error his saving truth.’ (Catechism 136)

www.ncregister.com

there is massive history/facts/evidence supporting Jesus and the Bible - but are they TRULY facts ?

video can be faked, photo's faked, evidence faked ............... and there has been much presented on the moon landing being faked

yep, i worked in Graphic Arts for decades and yes photos and videos are easily faked.

with AI it just got easier.

photos are very easy to manipulate, ever heard of 'photoshop' ??? i have been using it for decades, you can learn it and start faking your photos with a few days of practice.

all good with evidence supporting - however, none of it is indeed "fact"

a person HAS to have a certain amount of faith and trust to believe we actually went to the moon - 55 years ago, which was 20 years before cell phones, 30 years before the internet as we know it, we're 50,000 times more advanced in technology ......... and we can't go back to the moon today? NASA just lost all of the information how we did it? the single greatest thing in the history of man ... and NASA just accidently lost it ? The Fed Govt wouldn't ever lie, right ?

LOL, yeah the moon thing is a hoot. believe what you want, read both sides of the story, and yes it has issues.

for me, it doesn't matter much true or not.

all i know is that my King James bible is true and men are liars; start there and find Jesus........you are done looking for Truth.


...most wont give the Truth the time of day like this atheist. but he knows it all, just ask him.

well the Angel is not impressed, now he faces the Music. God sends him out back to The Toaster and now he really done.

maybe should have listened the first time, but they know it all.

.

and in all this time, Russia and China and India NEVER got a human on the moon, ever. EVER ?

meh. good observation; and we need to fly to the moon because why?

why not fix earth first?

my point is ..... there is as much and probably more evidence Jesus lived and Bible is rooted in fact than we landed on the moon. Its FAITH and BELIEF that keeps people believing both

 

[Michael Cole]

a great read, Ezekiel .... what do you think he was talking about ?

I read von Daniken in high school. My memory isn't what it used to be. What I do remember is that von Daniken's theory was more believable than the priest's theory.