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Trumps post Va. attack comment and lack thereof: The most disgusting to date.(

katzgar said:
I suggest you listen to what the moron in chief actually said. not one word about the klan or white nationalists. Your attempt to support his racism is shabby.
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It sounds like the fight broke out after the car crashed into the protestors leaving the site.

The demonstration was over and then the two groups joined violence.

Which group of hate filled, violent bigots are you trying to condemn? Which of the two groups of hate filled, violent bigots joined in the fight are you hoping to silence?
 
code1211 said:
You seem to be introducing facts to the narrative embraced by the agenda driven ideologues who hate Trump.

Have you read "El Ingenioso Hidalgo Don Quijote de la Mancha"?

When political party allegiance is at stake, facts play no role in conclusions.

I do admire your efforts, though!
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Hell, I don't like Trump either.

But, the hypocrisy with many of the posters deserves to be challenged.

I have read parts of DQ's tales.
 
code1211 said:
Interesting.

If Trump condemns "hatred, bigotry and violence in the strongest possible terms", what was it you wanted him to say? What did he leave out?
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The same things you're leaving out. "Nazis." "White supremacists." This particular bigotry has specific names. Can you say them?

code1211 said:
Which one do you wish he had left out? Are you in favor of hatred, bigotry and violence?
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code1211 said:
I've been trying to figure out what actually happened in this.

I sounds from reports that there were two groups of opposing views that were joined in a violent confrontation.

Apparently a statue of Robert E Lee was planned to be taken down. I don't know what the idea behind that may have been.

Apparently that was the hook to gather one of the groups. The other group seems to have gathered only to oppose the first group. Both groups seem to have been ready for a fight.

Trump's comments, consistent with about all of his comments since getting elected were to come together as Americans.

His tweet:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ally-thousands-robert-e-lee-statue/561833001/
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From his vacation home in New Jersey, Trump tweeted: "We ALL must be united & condemn all that hate stands for. There is no place for this kind of violence in America. Lets come together as one!"
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The only divisive rhetoric about this seems to be coming from the opponents of Trump.
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Well we learned from the GOP's criticisms of Obama that it doesn't matter how much he condemns it, if he doesn't use the exact terminology we want to hear, i.e. Radical Conservative Terrorism, he's complicit.
 
code1211 said:
It sounds like the fight broke out after the car crashed into the protestors leaving the site.

The demonstration was over and then the two groups joined violence.

Which group of hate filled, violent bigots are you trying to condemn? Which of the two groups of hate filled, violent bigots joined in the fight are you hoping to silence?
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Trying to pretend that civil protesters are as bad as the people you support like white nationalist and Nazis is pitiful
 
RetiredUSN said:
I support racism? Are you calling me a racist?
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The issue of removing confederate statues, long revered by Southern heritage, is at the genesis of this new racial flap. That is where the conversation should be, IMHO. When Mayor Landrieu started this in New Orleans s few months back, I predicted this conservative backlash, not using any inflammatory names to keep our discussion civil.

I always see politics in two ways, electorally and issues. I pointed out to my fellow DEMs that electorally, this was an election loser for DEMs in red districts. I was roundly criticized for saying that. I pointed out that Southern Heritage was very real, and was called a racist for that.

It was in the 1950s when my two younger brothers were born on USAF bases in Georgia and Virginia. My naive, Victorian Mores British Mother had no clue on which 'water fountain' to use. She was taken aback that we couldn't drink from 'colored people only' fountains.

Back then, African-American baseball players called themselves Colored, Black and Negroes with no problems. Now we use Hispanic or Latino for 'Browns', with both terms upsetting to many ...
 
katzgar said:
Just more of the same Trump TV type stuff
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What was it you posted the other day?

"Posts trying to trash people without any serious adult comment is typical of you it's expected"

You should try to up your game, or at the very least attempt to even qualify for one.
 
ocean515 said:
What was it you posted the other day?

"Posts trying to trash people without any serious adult comment is typical of you it's expected"

You should try to up your game, or at the very least attempt to even qualify for one.
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More Trump TV
 
katzgar said:
Factors never been something that you use so you might as well not start now
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Facts can be factors, but in this case, I am only asking that you examine the actual facts in question.

It will be something new for you, but I have hope for in spite of all you have shown to date.
 
Cardinal said:
Nazis. One of those groups, a loud and enthusiastic percentage of Trump's base, are Nazis. You can say it.
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Link? I still hold out hope that your blind hate is supported by something.
 
code1211 said:
Ah...

Godwin lives.
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The people in the protest were Nazis. They carried flags with swastikas and fasces on them, hence the possible mention of Naziism.
 
code1211 said:
Facts can be factors, but in this case, I am only asking that you examine the actual facts in question.

It will be something new for you, but I have hope for in spite of all you have shown to date.
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Your continued support of Trump's support of the clan and white nationalism is bad
 
NIMBY said:
The issue of removing confederate statues, long revered by Southern heritage, is at the genesis of this new racial flap. That is where the conversation should be, IMHO. When Mayor Landrieu started this in New Orleans s few months back, I predicted this conservative backlash, not using any inflammatory names to keep our discussion civil.

I always see politics in two ways, electorally and issues. I pointed out to my fellow DEMs that electorally, this was an election loser for DEMs in red districts. I was roundly criticized for saying that. I pointed out that Southern Heritage was very real, and was called a racist for that.

It was in the 1950s when my two younger brothers were born on USAF bases in Georgia and Virginia. My naive, Victorian Mores British Mother had no clue on which 'water fountain' to use. She was taken aback that we couldn't drink from 'colored people only' fountains.

Back then, African-American baseball players called themselves Colored, Black and Negroes with no problems. Now we use Hispanic or Latino for 'Browns', with both terms upsetting to many ...
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My comment is just an FYI and not really relevant to this thread. The movement to remove Confederate monuments has been going on across the South for some time. Confederate monuments are still being built in the South which are estimated to be at around a thousand with a few Confederate monuments not even being in the South such as the one in Helena Montana.
 
katzgar said:
Childish posts like this don't deserve a reply but his not mentioning white nationalist or the clan would put him in opposition to his base so he can't do that.
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Group think and labeling are the province of the political left.

People who are reprehensible are gripped by bigotry, hate and violence.

You needn't hold a club membership to be gripped by any of these qualities.

Why are you gripped by hate for Trump? His statement condemning the horrible events and asking for unity to oppose these things seems like a pretty good set of thoughts.

Why do you oppose people who oppose hate?
 
HowardBThiname said:
He condemned the violence and hatred. That's what a President should do.

In reality, both sides at that protest were itching for a fight. They all got exactly what they wanted.
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The alt right beat a black man with poles. It's truly disgusting to watch people try to say neither side was better than the other. White Nationalists have a long history in this country, and everything these people have done is terrible. On top of that, White Nationalism is dangerous.

Is this seriously what the GOP and Republican voters stand for today, playing down the violence of White Nationalist?

Appalling
 
Tigerace117 said:
Attempted vehicular homicide is what the people protesting against Nazism and Neo-Confederatism "deserved"?
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I didn't say anyone got what they "deserved." I said they all got what they "wanted."

Read better.

The nationalist group was there to protest the removal of a Confederate statue, and they had every right to do that.

The "anti" group was there for one reason only -- to oppose the first group. Antifa was among the anti's and that far-Left group has been threatening violence for months now against anyone who puts forth an opinion they don't like.

No one has to like what the nationalists were there to demonstrate, but they had a constitutional right to be there.

The car incident was just the last of the violence, plenty happened before that, including a female reporter getting punched in the face by an Antifa member.

Antifa knew the nationalists would be there -- the nationalists knew Antifa would be there. They were all wanting a fight.
 
katzgar said:
My comment is just an FYI and not really relevant to this thread. The movement to remove Confederate monuments has been going on across the South for some time. Confederate monuments are still being built in the South which are estimated to be at around a thousand with a few Confederate monuments not even being in the South such as the one in Helena Montana.
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Tentatively, I still support the Southern State laws that protect confederate statues that were well done in a professional and reverent way, built 40 of so years ago or more. I don't support the new ones ...
 
Cardinal said:
The same things you're leaving out. "Nazis." "White supremacists." This particular bigotry has specific names. Can you say them?
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What you really mean is that you want to label everyone who was protesting the removal of the statue as a Nazi or White Supremacist. There were some of both of those groups there -- but not the majority. Antifa was also among the counter protestors, but to label every counter protestor as Antifa would be just as wrong.

If Trump mentioned Nazis, he'd also have to mention Antifa.
 
Bergslagstroll said:
As I understand the people attacked was peaceful protesters. Also, I think it very important that people have the courage to stand up against far-right extremist with peacefully means. That you need sending a clear message that either far right extremist or violence is accepted. Something the people that was attacked did.

In my country Sweden, you also have had far right extremists attacking peaceful protests. Like for example in Kärrtorp, there neo Nazis attacked a peaceful protest against racism. Far right extremist has also attacked young asylum seekers from Afghanistan that peacefully protested against being sent back to Afghanistan.


https://www.thelocal.se/20131217/ne...ned-for-weekend-racism-karrtorp-sweden-nazism


https://www.thelocal.se/20170809/protest-against-deportations-to-afghanistan-attacked-in-stockholm
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These American right wingers can keep making excuses for these violent White Nationalists. But the WNs think this is their country more than any minority or immigrant, and they are willing to be violent. I don't think their violence will stop, and I wouldn't be surprised if none of these Trump supporters would ever say they had a problem with White Nationalism.
 
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