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Trumps post Va. attack comment and lack thereof: The most disgusting to date.(

RabidAlpaca said:
Why wont Trump use the words Radical Conservative Terrorism? By not using the exact wordage we want him to, he is complicit and sympathetic to the nazi terrorist. That's how this works, right conservatives? If Obama was a muslim terrorist sympathizer for refusing to associate terrorist acts with the entire group, Trump must also be a terrorist sympathizer for refusing to do the same, right?
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I've been trying to figure out what actually happened in this.

I sounds from reports that there were two groups of opposing views that were joined in a violent confrontation.

Apparently a statue of Robert E Lee was planned to be taken down. I don't know what the idea behind that may have been.

Apparently that was the hook to gather one of the groups. The other group seems to have gathered only to oppose the first group. Both groups seem to have been ready for a fight.

Trump's comments, consistent with about all of his comments since getting elected were to come together as Americans.

His tweet:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ally-thousands-robert-e-lee-statue/561833001/
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From his vacation home in New Jersey, Trump tweeted: "We ALL must be united & condemn all that hate stands for. There is no place for this kind of violence in America. Lets come together as one!"
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The only divisive rhetoric about this seems to be coming from the opponents of Trump.
 
BillRM said:
Nice try but our President did not condemn them using any name for them such as the KKK or the white supremacy movement.

We have a low life supporter of the racist white supremacy movement as president.

Not since President Wilson praise the movie Birth of a Nation have we have such an open racist in the White House.
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Can you link to actual facts that support your assumption that these folks were affiliated with the groups that you mention?

Removing the hate charged rhetoric employed by you and others, it sounds like two groups with opposing views met and were both spoiling for a fight.

Are you asserting that the incident was anything more or less than a hate filled gang war?
 
Until Trump gets rid of the alt right people in his white house he is going to have the same sort of issues again and again and again
 
Manc Skipper said:
Only one "side" came ready to cause violence, and armed to the teeth. They depend on it. Ask the local pastor.
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Another completely fact free and biased view of the world.
 
Manc Skipper said:
Only one "side" came ready to cause violence, and armed to the teeth. They depend on it. Ask the local pastor.
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katzgar said:
I watched him speak so saying something is so when it clearly isnt is just absurd.
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Actually you are both incorrect. As RetiredUSN stated:

RetiredUSN said:
Yes it is true, and the Richmond Times Dispatch and the Charlottesville Daily Progress spelled it out in detail.
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Here's the proof:

At least as many counterprotesters, some also militarized and clearly prepared to fight, surrounded the square. By 10:30 a.m., extremely violent skirmishes broke out between the two groups. Both groups repeatedly fired pepper spray and other chemical weapons at each other. At one point, the rally attendees launched at least four tear gas canisters on the counterprotesters, scattering them in search of medical attention. Sticks and batons also figured prominently in the clashes, which would flare up in a wild melee and then quickly die down as both sides retreated to regroup.
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One dead, 19 injured after violence erupts at white nationalist rally in Charlottesville | Virginia | richmond.com

Both sides came prepared for violence, wearing protective helmets, masks and carrying flags. When violence broke out, many of the flags were stripped from the wood handles and the handles were used as clubs.
Both sides brought street medics equipped with bandages and fluids for flushing eyes and skin afflicted with pepper spray. Taunts and jeers broke out on both sides and scuffles began. The armed demonstrators moved away from the park when both sides began attacking each other. Protesters pelted the alt-right marchers trying to enter the park with balloons filled with paint and both sides hurled water bottles, some with urine inside, and other makeshift missiles at each other. As more scuffles broke out, the two sides began clubbing each other with the flag poles, sticks and makeshift clubs. Others threw road flares and other items across Market Street at each other.
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Ohio man charged with second-degree murder after car plows into crowd | Local | dailyprogress.com

It usually takes TWO sides to fight. The reports clearly show that the anti-protesters were as engaged in conflict as the white nationalists.

Had the nationalists simply been allowed to march IMO it is more likely than not no violence would have occurred...or at the very least only they could be blamed for harms to unarmed observers.

I don't support extremist groups of any stripe. However, I do support the rights of ANY group to engage in non-violent protest marches. I did so back when the Nazi's wanted to march in Skokie, and I do so now.

It is better to let them march openly so you can see your enemies, than prevent them and let them fester in the dark and scatter after harms like roaches when the lights are turned on.

Meanwhile, the President spoke the TRUTH. Both sides engaged in violence.
 
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RetiredUSN said:
What I do find amusing is that you seem to be making a lot of accusations towards a person who did not vote for Trump, or support him in any way.

But............. carry on.
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Some people are ignorant that way. I'm learning to ignore those posters. :lol:
 
Bergslagstroll said:
As I understand the people attacked was peaceful protesters. Also, I think it very important that people have the courage to stand up against far-right extremist with peacefully means. That you need sending a clear message that either far right extremist or violence is accepted. Something the people that was attacked did.

In my country Sweden, you also have had far right extremists attacking peaceful protests. Like for example in Kärrtorp, there neo Nazis attacked a peaceful protest against racism. Far right extremist has also attacked young asylum seekers from Afghanistan that peacefully protested against being sent back to Afghanistan.


https://www.thelocal.se/20131217/ne...ned-for-weekend-racism-karrtorp-sweden-nazism


https://www.thelocal.se/20170809/protest-against-deportations-to-afghanistan-attacked-in-stockholm
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How do these attacks in Sweden expand the understanding of the riot in Virginia?
 
HowardBThiname said:
He condemned the violence and hatred. That's what a President should do.

In reality, both sides at that protest were itching for a fight. They all got exactly what they wanted.
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Trump has never been shy about calling out specifically and by name the people and groups he wants to condemn. Yesterday he refused to call out Nazis, racists and white supremacists by name. This is not an accident.
 
Captain Adverse said:
Actually you are both incorrect. As RetiredUSN stated:



One dead, 19 injured after violence erupts at white nationalist rally in Charlottesville | Virginia | richmond.com

Ohio man charged with second-degree murder after car plows into crowd | Local | dailyprogress.com

It usually takes TWO sides to fight. The reports clearly show that the anti-protesters were as engaged in conflict as the white nationalists.

Had the nationalists simply been allowed to march IMO it is more likely than not no violence would have occurred...or at the very least only they could be blamed for harms to unarmed observers.
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That wasn't my point was it
 
HowardBThiname said:
He condemned the violence and hatred. That's what a President should do.

In reality, both sides at that protest were itching for a fight. They all got exactly what they wanted.
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Attempted vehicular homicide is what the people protesting against Nazism and Neo-Confederatism "deserved"?
 
code1211 said:
I've been trying to figure out what actually happened in this.

I sounds from reports that there were two groups of opposing views that were joined in a violent confrontation.

Apparently a statue of Robert E Lee was planned to be taken down. I don't know what the idea behind that may have been.

Apparently that was the hook to gather one of the groups. The other group seems to have gathered only to oppose the first group. Both groups seem to have been ready for a fight.

Trump's comments, consistent with about all of his comments since getting elected were to come together as Americans.

His tweet:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ally-thousands-robert-e-lee-statue/561833001/
<snip>
From his vacation home in New Jersey, Trump tweeted: "We ALL must be united & condemn all that hate stands for. There is no place for this kind of violence in America. Lets come together as one!"
<snip>

The only divisive rhetoric about this seems to be coming from the opponents of Trump.
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Nazis. One of those groups, a loud and enthusiastic percentage of Trump's base, are Nazis. You can say it.
 
RetiredUSN said:
Yes it is true, and the Richmond Times Dispatch and the Charlottesville Daily Progress spelled it out in detail.
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You seem to be introducing facts to the narrative embraced by the agenda driven ideologues who hate Trump.

Have you read "El Ingenioso Hidalgo Don Quijote de la Mancha"?

When political party allegiance is at stake, facts play no role in conclusions.

I do admire your efforts, though!
 
katzgar said:
I watched him speak so saying something is so when it clearly isnt is just absurd.
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Interesting.

If Trump condemns "hatred, bigotry and violence in the strongest possible terms", what was it you wanted him to say? What did he leave out?

Which one do you wish he had left out? Are you in favor of hatred, bigotry and violence?
 
code1211 said:
Interesting.

If Trump condemns "hatred, bigotry and violence in the strongest possible terms", what was it you wanted him to say? What did he leave out?

Which one do you wish he had left out? Are you in favor of hatred, bigotry and violence?
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Childish posts like this don't deserve a reply but his not mentioning white nationalist or the clan would put him in opposition to his base so he can't do that.
 
code1211 said:
Interesting.

If Trump condemns "hatred, bigotry and violence in the strongest possible terms", what was it you wanted him to say? What did he leave out?
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The same things you're leaving out. "Nazis." "White supremacists." This particular bigotry has specific names. Can you say them?

code1211 said:
Which one do you wish he had left out? Are you in favor of hatred, bigotry and violence?
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