Trump's Iran bombing mission appears to have been a failure.

[L88]

And the Americans were aware of this before the attack. They blew up an empty, unmanned facility for show.

And you know this, how.
Smarter people than this forum don't know and have said so.

 

[Callen]

I think it may be early to assume that they achieved the military outcome that they were looking for.

The desired military outcome was clearly to nearly permanently cripple Iran's nuclear program.

It's not clear how close we got.

I disagree. I think the military objective from the pilots perspective was to drop their ordinance on a specific target at a specific time. To get in, do their job , and get out. They executed it perfectly. What the higher level military and political objective was does not take away from the brilliance of those involved at an operational level

 

[phoenix2020]

I disagree. I think the military objective from the pilots perspective was to drop their ordinance on a specific target at a specific time. To get in, do their job , and get out. They executed it perfectly. What the higher level military and political objective was does not take away from the brilliance of those involved at an operational level

Well, the military objective from the pilot's perspective was to execute the orders they were given. The military objective from the military leadership's perspective was to incapacitate Iran's nuclear ambitions. The higher level military objective shouldn't take away from the operational success, I agree, however neither should it be ignored, dismissed or rebranded as a "political" objective.

 

[Visbek]

Wow, let's jump to conclusions and root for the theocratic extremist who kill people for how they pray.

Sigh

Criticizing an inept, impulsive, and ineffectual military operation that eviscerates America's international standing, and is almost certainly going to incentivize Iran to double down on building nuclear warheads, is not "rooting" for Iran or its leadership.

 

[Grand Mal]

He's not my boy, and it's low intelligence to assume any condition of the Iranian Nuclear Weapons program at this point. But I get it. You want a failure attached to Trump.

Oh, Trump succeeded in one thing. He succeeded in reaffirming to Iran, and their allies, that they need a nuclear deterrence.

Ask yourself this- why did Iran have days to evacuated the site before the attack? Is there a third alternative to either incompetence or duplicity?

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

There was insufficient penetration, Stormy Daniels knows something about that.

 

[Rexedgar]

"The US strikes on Iran's nuclear facilities did not destroy the country's nuclear programme and probably only set it back by months, according to an early Pentagon intelligence assessment of the attack," BBC.

Trump doesn't believe intelligence he doesn't like. He prefers his fantasies instead. "The target was obliterated."

Or, in this case, "This alleged assessment is flat-out wrong and was classified as 'top secret' but was still leaked to CNN by an anonymous, low-level loser in the intelligence community." He offers no basis for his opinion because there isn't any.

Trump only has his fantasies.

The BBC continued, "The Islamic Republic's stockpile of enriched uranium was not eliminated in the bombings, according to the evaluation by the Defense Intelligence Agency.

"The US struck three nuclear facilities in Iran - Fordo, Natanz and Isfahan - with "bunker buster" bombs capable of penetrating 18m (60ft) of concrete or 61m (200ft) of earth before exploding.

"But sources familiar with the Pentagon's intelligence assessment say Iran's centrifuges are largely "intact" and the impact was limited to aboveground structures.

"Entrances to two nuclear facilities were sealed off, and some infrastructure was destroyed or damaged but much of the facilities, which are deep underground, were intact.

"The anonymous sources told US media it is estimated the attack only set Iran back "a few months, tops", and that any resumption of its nuclear programme may be based on how long it takes the country to dig out and make repairs.

"Sources also confirmed to CBS that some of Iran's enriched uranium stockpile was moved before the strikes, according to the intelligence assessment."

"The Pantagon's intelligence is wrong," Trump fantasizes.

We have a problem when our President doesn't believe his intelligence agencies.

^^^^^^^^and publicly^^^^^^^

If he doesn’t believe them, he should find new help.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Wow, let's jump to conclusions and root for the theocratic extremist who kill people for how they pray.

Criticizing a weak and ineffectual SecDef and his weak and ineffectual blowhard boss does not amount to cheering for Iran no matter how hard you try to make it so.

 

[CLAX1911]

US strikes set Iran's nuclear program back a few months, Pentagon assessment says

Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth denied the report, saying U.S. bombs "obliterated Iran’s ability to create nuclear weapons."

www.usatoday.com

As with most things that Trump, this one looks like another abysmal "Trump failure".
Given that Iran likely had moved their material ahead of the bombing campaign, the bombs still failed to reach the necessary depths.
Now we can watch the Trump propaganda department try and cover up this massive Trump screw-up.
As we watch the Trump "liefest" that will ensure, we can all sit back and watch gas prices rise.

I've been trying to find any information that supports this claim bombing was a failure. I've read at least six articles claiming it was a failure but the only thing they cite is Twitter gossip.

So until you have something from the intelligence community suggesting that the objective wasn't completed I'm going to hold off on my judgment.

 

[L88]

Sigh

Criticizing an inept, impulsive, and ineffectual military operation that eviscerates America's international standing, and is almost certainly going to incentivize Iran to double down on building nuclear warheads, is not "rooting" for Iran or its leadership.

How do you know the results?
Are you on the ground in Tehran?
Who the **** with nuclear a engineering education is going to work the the theocracy in Iran if the the previous brain trust was elemenated in their beds?

Israel kills nuclear scientists, strikes sites in Iran: Who did it target?

Israel says attacks on nuclear sites, personnel aim to ‘roll back the Iranian threat to Israel’s very survival’.

www.aljazeera.com

I'll go with the guidance of atomic scientists.

The US strike on Iran’s nuclear sites: preliminary thoughts on the outcomes

The US strikes on Iran’s nuclear facilities have likely inflicted significant damage in the short term. But the technical challenges of destroying deeply buried sites, the possibility of relocated materials, the impossibility of destroying Iranian expertise about uranium enrichment and weapons...

thebulletin.org

 

[Simon W. Moon]

Wow, let's jump to conclusions and root for the theocratic extremist who kill people for how they pray.

this strawman feels very forced, very inorganic to the conversation

you could probably make a better straw man

 

[Grand Mal]

And you know this, how.

It was Maxar Technologies, a US defense contractor, that released the pics. You think maybe they withheld them?

Smarter people than this forum don't know and have said so.

"Maxar Technologies, a U.S. defense contractor, released satellite imagery on Sunday showing activity at Iran's Fordo nuclear facility prior to U.S. air strikes."

"The images of the secretive plant, which were collected on Thursday and Friday, depict truck and vehicle activity near to the entrance of the underground military complex."

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/06/22/satellite-images-show-activity-at-irans-fordo-before-us-air-strikes.html

 

[Rexedgar]

I've been trying to find any information that supports this claim bombing was a failure. I've read at least six articles claiming it was a failure but the only thing they cite is Twitter gossip.

So until you have something from the intelligence community suggesting that the objective wasn't completed I'm going to hold off on my judgment.

What happens when a nuclear facility goes “boom?”

Is it expected that there would be some measurable radiation leakage?

 

[L88]

It was Maxar Technologies, a US defense contractor, that released the pics. You think maybe they withheld them?

I'm sure you know more than I do. Do you think the NGA shuts down for lunch and missed it?

"Maxar Technologies, a U.S. defense contractor, released satellite imagery on Sunday showing activity at Iran's Fordo nuclear facility prior to U.S. air strikes."

"The images of the secretive plant, which were collected on Thursday and Friday, depict truck and vehicle activity near to the entrance of the underground military complex."

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/06/22/satellite-images-show-activity-at-irans-fordo-before-us-air-strikes.html

 

[L88]

this strawman feels very forced, very inorganic to the conversation

you could probably make a better straw man

You just don't have much to add to any conversation other than Strawman! Strawman!

 

[Grand Mal]

I'm sure you know more than I do. Do you think the NGA shuts down for lunch and missed it?

Guess- did the US military know about those pictures before the attack?

Another guess- how did Iran know to evacuated the site, days before the attack? Was it incompetence or duplicity? Or is there a third possible reason they evacuated?

 

[Sandy Shanks]

"The Pantagon's intelligence is wrong," Trump fantasizes.

We have a problem when our President doesn't believe his intelligence agencies.

Trump has offered no information on why he is rejecting the intelligence report. The opposite is true.

The Times reports, "The Trump administration on Tuesday postponed classified briefings for members of Congress on the recent U.S. strikes against Iran, fueling outrage among Democrats that President Trump has yet to share key details of the operation with the legislative branch.

"Lawmakers in both the House and Senate had been told there would be closed-door information sessions for them on Tuesday, in the aftermath of the strikes carried out against three Iranian nuclear sites over the weekend and the Iranian retaliatory strikes on Monday on an American military base in Qatar.

"The briefings were to have included top White House and intelligence officials, including Tulsi Gabbard, the director of national intelligence; John Ratcliffe, the C.I.A. director; and Gen. Dan Caine, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

"The Senate briefing has been rescheduled for Thursday, according to one person familiar with the situation who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to comment on it. Speaker Mike Johnson said the House briefing had been moved to Friday."

 

[Simon W. Moon]

We have a problem when our President doesn't believe his intelligence agencies.

alternative facts

Someone out there is running a big con on powerful people.
Neocons and the Trumpists have both bought into magical thinking bullshit

Neocons had the idea that the "reality-based community" is unsuited to finding solutions because the USA was now so powerful that America's leaders could create their own reality.

Trumpists have a more prosaic and old school mode of magical thinking—"alternative facts" & "fake news"

America is still powerful.


But facts are ****ing stubborn

 

[L88]

Guess- did the US military know about those pictures before the attack?

Another guess- how did Iran know to evacuated the site, days before the attack? Was it incompetence or duplicity? Or is there a third possible reason they evacuated?

You're thinking way beyond what I give you credit for.

 

[Pyrite]

Trump has offered no information on why he is rejecting the intelligence report. The opposite is true.

The Times reports, "The Trump administration on Tuesday postponed classified briefings for members of Congress on the recent U.S. strikes against Iran, fueling outrage among Democrats that President Trump has yet to share key details of the operation with the legislative branch.

"Lawmakers in both the House and Senate had been told there would be closed-door information sessions for them on Tuesday, in the aftermath of the strikes carried out against three Iranian nuclear sites over the weekend and the Iranian retaliatory strikes on Monday on an American military base in Qatar.

"The briefings were to have included top White House and intelligence officials, including Tulsi Gabbard, the director of national intelligence; John Ratcliffe, the C.I.A. director; and Gen. Dan Caine, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

"The Senate briefing has been rescheduled for Thursday, according to one person familiar with the situation who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to comment on it. Speaker Mike Johnson said the House briefing had been moved to Friday."

Yep. That trump abruptly and without explanation canceled the schedule briefing indicates there's a report floating around that says the bombing doesn't appear to have had the desired (by Bibi and Donnie) effect.

And, of course, as many others have already pointed out on this and on other threads, Leavitt herself acknowledged the existence of the report.

 

[CaughtInThe]

 

[Grand Mal]

You're thinking way beyond what I give you credit for.

Why were those trucks there?

Ever hear the word 'Peenemunde'? WW2. Rocket technology, heavy water research. Werner Von Braun was there on the night it was attacked. 1943. Had the Germans had advance notice that the attack was coming and had days to evacuate the site history might have unfolded differently.

So how come this attack was anticipated and prepared for?

 

[uptower]

First intelligence fails to support a reason for strikes next it fails ro detect the result expected of a "successful" strike. Just another Trump distraction.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

alternative facts

Someone out there is running a big con on powerful people.
Neocons and the Trumpists have both bought into magical thinking bullshit

Neocons had the idea that the "reality-based community" is unsuited to finding solutions because the USA was now so powerful that America's leaders could create their own reality.

Trumpists have a more prosaic and old school mode of magical thinking—"alternative facts" & "fake news"

America is still powerful.


But facts are ****ing stubborn

(It helps if you say that using Ralphie Wiggum's voice)

The aide said that guys like me were 'in what we call the reality-based community,' which he defined as people who 'believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.' [...] 'That's not the way the world really works anymore,' he continued. 'We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors...and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do'.

Reality-based community - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

Er........................... this is comical.

We don't know yet how successful or how much of a failure the bombing mission was. We may not know for a long long time. But as soon as ANY of us or ANY one in the media or any agency doubts the success of the mission, some who idolize Trump and believe every word out of his mouth go absolutely haywire and get really really upset.................

Wow, let's jump to conclusions

The 60% enriched is stored as a gas in containers. It is heavier than air. If it's deep in the earth and it was released, it's going to stay there.

Do you think anybody is going to go back to work for Iran?

When some hack calls it a failure. His her they them's first sentence of the post.

A few months? That's better than last week.

Trucks leaving. Do you know what was in them?

He's not my boy, and it's low intelligence to assume any condition of the Iranian Nuclear Weapons program at this point. But I get it. You want a failure attached to Trump.

You think the NGA lost track of the trucks? How do you know what they were moving?

So tell me what you know. Was the material on there or not?

Was the attack successful? President Trump said that “Iran’s key nuclear enrichment facilities have been completely and totally obliterated.”

Trump and everybody else guessing in finite terms

Iran, for the sake of the world, cannot have nuclear weapons.

And you know this, how.
Smarter people than this forum don't know and have said so.

How do you know the results?
Are you on the ground in Tehran?

I'm sure you know more than I do. Do you think the NGA shuts down for lunch and missed it?

You just don't have much to add to any conversation other than Strawman! Strawman!

You're thinking way beyond what I give you credit for.

President Trump said is all the proof we need that this mission was a success.