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Trump's Iran bombing mission appears to have been a failure.

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WHAT SOURCE OF INTELLIGENCE DOES TRUMP BELIEVE IS MORE RELIABLE THAN THE USIC?​


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Cameron said:
I'm not going to root for a US military operation to be a failure, regardless of who ordered it. But I really do wish we had serious people in charge at the moment, not these corrupt and incompetent culture warrioring douchebags.
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If they had high grade uranium be glad they moved it as it would have killed lots and lots of innocent people via fallout (not a nuclear explosion but contamination)
I don’t believe that they had any
 
Grand Mal said:
So how come this attack was anticipated and prepared for?
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Great question. We'll know in 50 years when they release the actual plans
 
Showtime586 said:
www.usatoday.com

US strikes set Iran's nuclear program back a few months, Pentagon assessment says

Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth denied the report, saying U.S. bombs "obliterated Iran’s ability to create nuclear weapons."
www.usatoday.com

As with most things that Trump, this one looks like another abysmal "Trump failure".
Given that Iran likely had moved their material ahead of the bombing campaign, the bombs still failed to reach the necessary depths.
Now we can watch the Trump propaganda department try and cover up this massive Trump screw-up.
As we watch the Trump "liefest" that will ensure, we can all sit back and watch gas prices rise.
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We need confirmation, and that's what we don't have.
 
SNOWFLAKE said:
Er........................... this is comical.

We don't know yet how successful or how much of a failure the bombing mission was. We may not know for a long long time.
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L88 said:
Was the attack successful? President Trump said that “Iran’s key nuclear enrichment facilities have been completely and totally obliterated.” The Washington Post reports on Iranian officials saying that “the facilities that were struck had been evacuated and that nuclear material was moved elsewhere.” The New York Post reports Iranian officials saying that “only a part of the area was attacked.” The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff said “initial battle damage assessments indicate that all three sites sustained extremely severe damage and destruction,” but that “final battle damage [assessments] will take some time.”
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L88 said:
At least one report indicates the presence of trucks at Fordow just before the strike, raising the possibility that key items and/or materials may have been removed in anticipation. Relocating a substantial amount of heavy machinery (e.g., centrifuges) would be a time-intensive activity that could not realistically have been done in such a short time frame.
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that is prolly why the Orange guy gave them 2 weeks to surrender.

however the 'Art of the Deal' was no where close to 2 weeks but 2 days. the Iranians have figured Orange Monarch out.

but Orange knows where the trucks went, and his agents on the ground were prolly driving the trucks to a pre-planed place we already know about.

so it's a shell game people. but we own the shells.





L88 said:
Actual battle damage assessment will be difficult; the attack sought to destroy equipment and facilities that are underground and thus invisible to overhead reconnaissance. Those outside Iran are unlikely to be given access to damaged facilities to see the results. That is, we won’t know precisely how effective the attack was in destroying a deeply buried facility, and the Iranians won’t be letting anyone in to examine it.
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So what is the real impact of these attacks? In the short term, assuming the attacks were militarily successful, the Iran nuclear program has clearly been set back by amounts of time ranging from several months to several years, depending on the assumptions made about how far along Iran had been in its progress towards building a nuclear weapon.

But whether the Iranian nuclear program has been permanently crippled is a different question, the answer to which involves a most important uncertainty: Will there be regime change in Iran? If there is no regime change, it’s hard to believe that the current rulers of Iran will accept this setback as establishing a permanent (new) status quo, and in the future, it’s hard to see what incentive Iran has in accepting a diplomatic constraint on its nuclear ambitions. That is: Future political or diplomatic arrangements with Iran on its nuclear program will be most unlikely.
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L88 said:
Thus, without regime change, the US attack last week is likely to be just the first of many such attacks in the future—a periodic mowing of Iran’s nuclear lawn, so to speak.
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this ^^^ is the most likely result and russia knows it too. the Oligarchs on both sides however like the Drama, and will start beating the War Drums for the sheep to get involved. so crank out some more Propaganda video and move on.

Ezekiel will be waiting for you at the End..........talk about 'i told you so' !!..................well i told you so my friends.

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L88 said:
thebulletin.org

The US strike on Iran’s nuclear sites: preliminary thoughts on the outcomes

The US strikes on Iran’s nuclear facilities have likely inflicted significant damage in the short term. But the technical challenges of destroying deeply buried sites, the possibility of relocated materials, the impossibility of destroying Iranian expertise about uranium enrichment and weapons...
thebulletin.org thebulletin.org
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L88 said:
Wow, let's jump to conclusions and root for the theocratic extremist who kill people for how they pray.
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True, but clearly we didn't like how they pray either and we are ones who shed the first 100 + blood! So I guess we are more of how did you call it..." theocratic extermist"! than them!

I mean, even a clown with a blow tourch is still a clown with a blow torch! (we are the clown here in case you missed it)


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Diving Mullah said:
True, but clearly we didn't like how they pray either and we are ones who shed the first 100 + blood! So I guess we are more of how did you call it..." theocratic extermist"! than them!

I mean, even a clown with a blow tourch is still a clown with a blow torch! (we are the clown here in case you missed it)


Diving Mullah
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Iran's extremist SHIA have been killing and terrorising around the world. We (the world) don't need to deal with them having a nuke. By the way they kill Sunni in case you been missing it.
 
The Brad Dad said:
I agree, get on your horse and get to it.
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Why would you say that? Are you trying to support an oppressive theocracy kills Americans and its own people. Why would you want mass killers to have a nuclear weapon?
 
L88 said:
Why would you say that? Are you trying to support an oppressive theocracy kills Americans and its own people. Why would you want mass killers to have a nuclear weapon?
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I think the question here is why @L88 is doing nothing to stop the threat? Have you considered pulling yourself up by your own bootstraps, marching over there and dealing with the problem yourself, instead of begging B-2 pilots for freebies? Here you are, fully qualified to single-handedly deal with this threat, and yet you choose to post words on the internet instead of Saving America. Why?
 
BirdinHand said:
I wonder if our military leaders even thought it possible to destroy that nuclear facility that was under a mountain.

I mean - we have had the “bunker buster” bombs for decades now, haven’t we? And we have been hearing for decades now how Iran was “so close” to a nuclear bomb - and we have known about Fordow since the early 2000’s?

They had to have calculated out whether or not they thought that this was going to be possible.

I have no doubt they executed the mission to the best possible outcome - but I wonder what the odds of “obliterating” that site were before those planes even took off.
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I’m sure there’s some career imbecile Pentagon stooge who got a C- in geology and physics and thought they could possibly collapse the mountain and crush the facility IF they consecutively dropped MOPs on the exact same spot. Problem is A) The MOP isnt powerful enough to get beyond the sedimentary layer of the mountain and B) They missed.
 
Napoleon said:
I’m sure there’s some career imbecile Pentagon stooge who got a C- in geology and physics and thought they could possibly collapse the mountain and crush the facility IF they consecutively dropped MOPs on the exact same spot.
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More likely imbecile leaders such as Bibi and Donnie.
 
phoenix2020 said:
I think the question here is why @L88 is doing nothing to stop the threat? Have you considered pulling yourself up by your own bootstraps, marching over there and dealing with the problem yourself, instead of begging B-2 pilots for freebies? Here you are, fully qualified to single-handedly deal with this threat, and yet you choose to post words on the internet instead of Saving America. Why?
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First you don't know what I've done in the past.

Did you go to Syria or Yemen for Biden?
 
www.american.edu

Understanding Iran's Use of Terrorist Groups as Proxies

Iran’s influence can be felt in multiple ongoing conflicts in the Middle East due to its use of terrorist groups as proxies. To learn more, we asked SIS professor Joe Young to explain Iran’s use of these groups.
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L88 said:
First you don't know what I've done in the past.

Did you go to Syria or Yemen for Biden?
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Nope, and I didn't loudly agitate for him to bomb them.

Yet here you are, demanding that Donald solve your Iranian problems for you, when you could be putting in a day's work for a change and dealing with it yourself. But instead, all we get is whining about what you expect B-2 pilots to do, what you expect Donald to do, what you expect everybody else but yourself to do.

I just think you need to do your fair share of the heavy lifting in dealing with Iran.
 
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