Trump vows 'very long' government shutdown over border wall

[Conservative]

Again, not going around in circles with you, address the original post. I clarified. Added a bit, but don't let that distract you.

You can't so you went fishing for something to latch onto and twist. It's so goddamned obvious man.

Stop making excuses. There are no results. There are no things you can point to and say, this is what he did, this is how we gained from it.

All you have is propaganda. Propaganda you believe, because my original point is accurate.

Address it or don't, I'm not going to prove Trump is a piece of **** that is boasting about **** he doesn't understand, let alone controlled the outcome of. So all of your little arguments about results and blah blah blah, are feeble protests that Trump isn't what he is.

No more twisting, no more projecting politics, no more assigning the opponent to your hated rival team.

Just come to terms with it, accept it, Trump is white trash and so are all of his followers. People like him, and those who voted for him, are exactly why a 4 year term is a thing. Because in the grand scheme of nations. 4 years is nothing. Everything he breaks can be fixed.

The worse part is, I even explained to you the subject of the conversation, and you still try to go off on a tangent. Like oh, let me try the same thing twice. Derp a ****ing Derp.

Your post deals with personality and I couldn't care less about personality. I deal in results and the topic of this thread is a long potential shutdown which has nothing do with personality but rather the promises Trump made and attempts to keep them. You claim there aren't any results??????? Really, then define results if BLS.gov, BEA.gov, and Treasury.org don't provide any?

Apparently your idea of results are what you want to believe, opinions and feelings. Mine are based upon reality and actual data

Don't really give a damn whether or not Trump is a piece of ****, didn't vote for his personality but rather on his commitment to change and focus on America first and results. You don't like it, tough ****, I don't give a damn

 

[Conservative]

Again, not going around in circles with you, address the original post. I clarified. Added a bit, but don't let that distract you.

You can't so you went fishing for something to latch onto and twist. It's so goddamned obvious man.

Stop making excuses. There are no results. There are no things you can point to and say, this is what he did, this is how we gained from it.

All you have is propaganda. Propaganda you believe, because my original point is accurate.

Address it or don't, I'm not going to prove Trump is a piece of **** that is boasting about **** he doesn't understand, let alone controlled the outcome of. So all of your little arguments about results and blah blah blah, are feeble protests that Trump isn't what he is.

No more twisting, no more projecting politics, no more assigning the opponent to your hated rival team.

Just come to terms with it, accept it, Trump is white trash and so are all of his followers. People like him, and those who voted for him, are exactly why a 4 year term is a thing. Because in the grand scheme of nations. 4 years is nothing. Everything he breaks can be fixed.

The worse part is, I even explained to you the subject of the conversation, and you still try to go off on a tangent. Like oh, let me try the same thing twice. Derp a ****ing Derp.

So anyone who voted for Trump is "white trash"? Apparently white trash is whatever you want it to be any anyone who doesn't support your ideology which you have never even addressed. I had a choice in 2016 of Trump or Hillary as voting for a third party served no purpose and was a wasted vote so I chose wisely, not on Trump's personality but rather Hillary's incompetence and a strong belief that Trump would make the changes necessary to generate the results we are seeing today, results that are mired in actual data and appearing in the bank account of every single actual taxpayer. You have yet to offer any results that support your point of view and have resorted to that liberal technique of name calling and focusing on personality.

 

[trouble13]

Here’s a link, to a right wing site, no less, that backs up my claim that trump spurned an offer by Pelosi and Schumer for $1.3 B for his precious wall.

https://dailycaller.com/2018/12/11/trump-faces-off-pelosi-schumer-border-wall-funding-oval-office/

I'm under the impression that the language of the bill prohibits any of that money from being used to construct any new wall.

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[rocket88]

It does seem that Democrats make more emotional decisions so there is some truth to his comment.

Republicans make plenty of emotional decisions. That's why they'll go on and on about the "war on Christmas" or will defend Trump no matter what he does.

 

[rocket88]

So anyone who voted for Trump is "white trash"? Apparently white trash is whatever you want it to be any anyone who doesn't support your ideology which you have never even addressed. I had a choice in 2016 of Trump or Hillary as voting for a third party served no purpose and was a wasted vote so I chose wisely, not on Trump's personality but rather Hillary's incompetence and a strong belief that Trump would make the changes necessary to generate the results we are seeing today, results that are mired in actual data and appearing in the bank account of every single actual taxpayer. You have yet to offer any results that support your point of view and have resorted to that liberal technique of name calling and focusing on personality.

Bull****. You were never going to vote for a Democrat no matter what. You tow the party line like a good little minion.

 

[ElChupacabra]

Your post deals with personality and I couldn't care less about personality. I deal in results and the topic of this thread is a long potential shutdown which has nothing do with personality but rather the promises Trump made and attempts to keep them. You claim there aren't any results??????? Really, then define results if BLS.gov, BEA.gov, and Treasury.org don't provide any?

Apparently your idea of results are what you want to believe, opinions and feelings. Mine are based upon reality and actual data

Don't really give a damn whether or not Trump is a piece of ****, didn't vote for his personality but rather on his commitment to change and focus on America first and results. You don't like it, tough ****, I don't give a damn

What's always been missing in your assessments is how personality factors into your ability to negotiate and generate results. There are all sorts of ways Trump could have handled this situation which would have avoided this public fiasco. The fact he's been obstinate helps set the tone for the level of cooperation his opponents choose to give. There are always bottom lines that are intrinsic to negotiating policies etc., but if you choose to be forceful you end up setting an unnecessary tone; this is something Trump always chooses. His personality is part of why he finds himself in this situation; that and piss poor planning.

 

[JustHanging]

Your post deals with personality and I couldn't care less about personality. I deal in results and the topic of this thread is a long potential shutdown which has nothing do with personality but rather the promises Trump made and attempts to keep them.

Yep. Trump promised Mexico would pay for the wall.

You claim there aren't any results???????

How is shutting down the American government going to get Mexico to pay for the wall?

AFAIK, Mexico has not paid for the wall, so no, there are no results.

Apparently your idea of results are what you want to believe, opinions and feelings. Mine are based upon reality and actual data

Well that's demonstrably false, you are the one basing your beliefs on opinions and feelings, but it's understandable, it's what Trump expects of his base.

If you care about reality, why aren't you complaining that Trump obviously had no plan or clue how to get Mexico to pay for the wall? Why don't you care that you were clearly flimflammed by Trump in this regard? Most people feel humiliated when someone fools them the way you've been fooled, but you seem to be taking pride in your gullibility. Why?

 

[Conservative]

Bull****. You were never going to vote for a Democrat no matter what. You tow the party line like a good little minion.

So do we know each other? How do you know I would never vote for a Democrat?? Bet I have voted for more democrats than you Republican?? I was a JFK Democrat but those people don't exist any more, too radical and the party of Pelosi and Schumer deserve no support nor did Hillary who like Obama was incompetent

 

[Conservative]

What's always been missing in your assessments is how personality factors into your ability to negotiate and generate results. There are all sorts of ways Trump could have handled this situation which would have avoided this public fiasco. The fact he's been obstinate helps set the tone for the level of cooperation his opponents choose to give. There are always bottom lines that are intrinsic to negotiating policies etc., but if you choose to be forceful you end up setting an unnecessary tone; this is something Trump always chooses. His personality is part of why he finds himself in this situation; that and piss poor planning.

Trump is no different from most CEO's but what you want is a politician ignoring that it is politicians that have created the 21 trillion dollar debt today and massive entitlement programs. Unnecessary tone?? Think those 4.7 million new jobs created have created negatived tone? You never post data or results to support your statement so yours is all about feelings and not about substance

 

[Conservative]

Yep. Trump promised Mexico would pay for the wall.



How is shutting down the American government going to get Mexico to pay for the wall?

AFAIK, Mexico has not paid for the wall, so no, there are no results.



Well that's demonstrably false, you are the one basing your beliefs on opinions and feelings, but it's understandable, it's what Trump expects of his base.

If you care about reality, why aren't you complaining that Trump obviously had no plan or clue how to get Mexico to pay for the wall? Why don't you care that you were clearly flimflammed by Trump in this regard? Most people feel humiliated when someone fools them the way you've been fooled, but you seem to be taking pride in your gullibility. Why?

2018 was Trump's first budget and you have no way of knowing if Mexico WON'T pay for the way in one way or another. What does the 2019 proposed budget tell you about foreign aid?

As for no results, apparently bls.gov, bea.gov. and Treasury.org aren't results in that mind of yours. you definitely want someone who tells you what you want to hear but then does whatever he wants. At the end of the Trump term I will judge him on his results not your opinions. You ignored all the broken Obama promises and lies so you don't have a lot of credibility on this issue. Results matter, not rhetoric

 

[ThoughtEx.]

So anyone who voted for Trump is "white trash"? Apparently white trash is whatever you want it to be any anyone who doesn't support your ideology which you have never even addressed. I had a choice in 2016 of Trump or Hillary as voting for a third party served no purpose and was a wasted vote so I chose wisely, not on Trump's personality but rather Hillary's incompetence and a strong belief that Trump would make the changes necessary to generate the results we are seeing today, results that are mired in actual data and appearing in the bank account of every single actual taxpayer. You have yet to offer any results that support your point of view and have resorted to that liberal technique of name calling and focusing on personality.

I defined it clearly. That's what you're dancing around. No one is fooled.

Goes back to my two options post.

1. You didn't understand it.
2. You're trying to distract from it.

So, I'm just going to bring it back around.

 

[ThoughtEx.]

That is probably the saddest statement I've ever seen written by a grown man.

politics aside, Trump is the ultimate standard by which you judge men. Might as well exterminate the human race now, because if he is the best we got to offer, we are a mistake and God needs to start the **** over. Because Evolution sure as **** wouldn't let an entire species with him as the high bar beat out all the other pre human hominid species.

You need some Mr. Rogers in your life. In a species that depends on society for our very sanity, it is the honest man, the teacher, the builder, the healer, the gentle men who dominate the weaker men, the con artists, the hucksters, Trump. Because those weaker men, all crave what the gentle men have. Trust. The currency by which relationships are built.

And in society, relationships are everything.

I call them weak, because they try so hard to build what the gentle men gain by their very nature. An honorable reputation. The ability to be taken at their word. To be trusted on nothing more than their name alone.

Trump doesn't even meet the lowest bar. To hold him as your standard, is to call yourself trash.

Here we go.

 

[ElChupacabra]

Trump is no different from most CEO's but what you want is a politician ignoring that it is politicians that have created the 21 trillion dollar debt today and massive entitlement programs.

Sure he's different. They may all be assertive, but how they apply that assertion varies greatly. What I would prefer is a person who knows how to work with others to obtain results in a more effective way than we're seeing now. The general instability Trump generates is something that's been evident in his administration and outside of it. As for the debt, when he does something about it then you can have something to talk about.

Unnecessary tone?? Think those 4.7 million new jobs created have created negatived tone? You never post data or results to support your statement so yours is all about feelings and not about substance

You're myopic to anything else other than those numbers, meanwhile the administration makes a joke of itself on the public stage. If it doesn't matter to you that's fine, but you're a one trick pony in any discussion because all you want to talk about is employment numbers when there are many other things at play. We're discussing the current shut down over the funding for the wall. If you want to talk about employment numbers it's not relevant to the topic.

 

[Conservative]

I defined it clearly. That's what you're dancing around. No one is fooled.

Goes back to my two options post.

1. You didn't understand it.
2. You're trying to distract from it.

So, I'm just going to bring it back around.

No apparently you don't know the difference between data and an opinion. Yours of Trump are nothing but opinions. I prefer actual results. The distraction from the official results is all yours

 

[JustHanging]

Yep, it is certainly someone else's responsibility to pay for your personal wants and needs.

That was the basis of Trump's campaign. Remember who will pay for the wall? "MEXICO!"

Follies of conservative idealism? What would those be, personal responsibility, individual wealth creation, neighbor helping neighbor?

One good thing about Trump is that he has exposed most conservatives for the hypocrites they are. Trump never accepts personal responsibility, and his base defends this. Neighbour helping neighbour? I suppose if they are right skin colour, then maybe? You don't get to support a blatant racist like Trump, defending and denying his racism, and then claim you are about neighbour helping neighbour. That's ridiculous.

Seems the fools are the ones who are incapable of providing proof of what they want others to believe and true fool is someone who buys the left ideology and ignores the left's results

Oh no, we know how the true fools are. So does Trump, that's why he loves his base.

Donald Trump declares 'I love the poorly educated'

 

[Conservative]

Here we go.

I don't judge men by any particular standard as that is irrelevant to me, when it comes to judging the President it is all on results not rhetoric or personality.

 

[Conservative]

That was the basis of Trump's campaign. Remember who will pay for the wall? "MEXICO!"



One good thing about Trump is that he has exposed most conservatives for the hypocrites they are. Trump never accepts personal responsibility, and his base defends this. Neighbour helping neighbour? I suppose if they are right skin colour, then maybe? You don't get to support a blatant racist like Trump, defending and denying his racism, and then claim you are about neighbour helping neighbour. That's ridiculous.



Oh no, we know how the true fools are. So does Trump, that's why he loves his base.

Donald Trump declares 'I love the poorly educated'

That statement to me relates to the left and with every anti Trump post you support it. Results matter, not your opinions. Apparently I am indeed a fool as I buy the official govt. results not your opinions or feelings

It really is a shame that the left judges Trump on his personality but never their own and certainly not on the results because they and you always place blame on someone else for poor choices you have made

 

[JustHanging]

Here we go.

Trump doesn't even meet the lowest bar. To hold him as your standard, is to call yourself trash.

Yep, but so many do hold Trump as their standard. And as you point out, when that is what you aspire to be, you are indeed trash by any definition.

 

[Conservative]

Sure he's different. They may all be assertive, but how they apply that assertion varies greatly. What I would prefer is a person who knows how to work with others to obtain results in a more effective way than we're seeing now. The general instability Trump generates is something that's been evident in his administration and outside of it. As for the debt, when he does something about it then you can have something to talk about.




You're myopic to anything else other than those numbers, meanwhile the administration makes a joke of itself on the public stage. If it doesn't matter to you that's fine, but you're a one trick pony in any discussion because all you want to talk about is employment numbers when there are many other things at play. We're discussing the current shut down over the funding for the wall. If you want to talk about employment numbers it's not relevant to the topic.

I prefer results and not opinions or feelings. Although it would be nice if Trump worked well with others but to me the results trump that lack of decorum. Never did care about the public stage only economic growth, job creation and national security. Nothing else matters.

I support the wall because walls work or prisons wouldn't have any, Israel wouldn't have a wall nor would there be the Great Wall of China. You want to address why a wall wouldn't work, be my guest but the reality is it has nothing to do with the effectiveness of a wall but rather anything Trump proposes is going to be opposed.

 

[Conservative]

Trump doesn't even meet the lowest bar. To hold him as your standard, is to call yourself trash.

Yep, but so many do hold Trump as their standard. And as you point out, when that is what you aspire to be, you are indeed trash by any definition.

My standards are very high, economic results and national security. Yours are personality and being liked. The only standard that matters are results as facts win debates and court cases

 

[ThoughtEx.]

No apparently you don't know the difference between data and an opinion. Yours of Trump are nothing but opinions. I prefer actual results. The distraction from the official results is all yours

Everyone, ignore your lives around you, let's see what the numbers say.

1. You wouldn't the understand the numbers if I sat down and explained them to you point by point.
2. If anything good happens under Trump's Presidency, it's the result of Americans doing the right thing and him taking credit for it after the fact. He is incompetent.
3. Asking angry pointed questions (in either ignorance or an attempt to distract), in no way counters anything. You have not added to this conversation yet, I've been humoring you out of boredom. Nothing more.

 

[JustHanging]

That statement to me relates to the left and with every anti Trump post you support it. Results matter, not your opinions.

Yeah, but you don't care about results. How much has Mexico paid of the wall debt? How has Trump improved American's healthcare? The swamp is exponentially larger now than when Trump came to power, so how has Trump drained the swamp? How is spending under control? Why is the deficit rising so quickly?

If cared about results, you wouldn't be supporting a flimflam man like Trump. To try and say otherwise is nonsensical.

 

[ThoughtEx.]

I don't judge men by any particular standard as that is irrelevant to me, when it comes to judging the President it is all on results not rhetoric or personality.

{In case you don't get it, horse laughing in someone's face means that person considers the statement so ridiculous as to be hysterical... The more you know}

 

[ecofarm]

My standards are very high, economic results and national security. Yours are personality and being liked. The only standard that matters are results as facts win debates and court cases

But the market is tanking and there's no wall.

 

[Conservative]

Everyone, ignore your lives around you, let's see what the numbers say.

1. You wouldn't the understand the numbers if I sat down and explained them to you point by point.
2. If anything good happens under Trump's Presidency, it's the result of Americans doing the right thing and him taking credit for it after the fact. He is incompetent.
3. Asking angry pointed questions (in either ignorance or an attempt to distract), in no way counters anything. You have not added to this conversation yet, I've been humoring you out of boredom. Nothing more.

So your definition of doing the right thing wasn't revoking the Obama anti Growth EO's and allowing people to keep more of what they earn? Why wasn't the right thing done during the Obama term as he never was able even adding 9.3 trillion to the debt generate 3% annual GDP growth?

I will never add to your version of the conversation because results don't resonate with you and it is all about judging the Trump personality and ignoring the actual data results generated

Thank you so much for humoring me, means a lot to me to get attention from you